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Sen. Sakaja On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Sir. CONTINGENCY PLANS TO MITIGATE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF HEAVY DOWNPOUR ON INFRASTRUCTURE

Sen. Sakaja Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to seek you indulgence. There is a Statement that I had asked for that affects all of us. It was on the state of drainage and the roads in Nairobi City County. It is not scheduled, and as you can see,...

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. Welcome back to the country. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Wednesday 28th March, 2018. Report of the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations on its consideration of the National Flag, Emblems...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will give a response in two weeks’ time.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is a concern of the Committee on Health. (Laughter)

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am responding to that concern. The response to a Statement does not change the ongoing situation; it just gives information to the House. This question is similar to what has been asked before on the Floor of this House regarding his citizenship, and...

Sen. Sakaja Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will issue an interim Statement. March 27, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Sakaja Neither is there a comprehensive Statement, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir; you are absolutely right.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I completely agree with your direction and the concern of Members. The fundamental rights of this individual are important to us, whether or not we agree with his political philosophy. In fact, I will be in contact today with the relevant authorities to ascertain...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this statement was issued. However, there was additional information requested. It was just issued on Thursday, if I am not wrong. So, it should not be appearing in the Order Paper today because this is the next sitting after the last sitting. In a...

Sen. Sakaja Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have discussed with the good Senator for Lamu County and agreed that the Statement can come later on Thursday and he will confirm that.

Sen. Sakaja On a point of Order!

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I seek your guidance on your earlier ruling or position. In as much as it is quite prudent for Chairs to seek out those who have asked questions, when other Senators might prove to be elusive, can we serve them by depositing responses in...

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have two issues and the first one is on the descriptions. Some of these descriptions can be very accurate like ‘super’ and ‘good.’ Anyway, on to---

Sen. Sakaja No, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I was just trying to persuade you about these prefixes that are not too much of a superlative nature. However, on this particular statement, I want to correct the Chairperson. Is she in order to try and bring up the matter of sub...

Sen. Sakaja Yes Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am super ready.

Sen. Sakaja I said I am ready as always.

Sen. Sakaja I used the prefix “super” because I have stayed with this statement for close to a month in my folder and I want to let go of it.

Sen. Sakaja I will do so.

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Order, Senator! Do you want to annul the commendation by the Chair by going back to the controversial aspects of the debate? (Laughter) March 27, 2018 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I withdraw. Let me give quick highlights of the response because the Senator is involved.

Please, proceed. Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, it was a Statement on the status of women held in prisons and remand facilities in Kenya. She asked for the statistics of women and children, which were given per the former provinces, based on how our prisons are currently structured. In total,...

Well done. Sen. Kwamboka.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the issues have been well elaborated by the Chairman and it was spiced up at the Committee retreat. That is why I addressed him as my ‘super Senator.’

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The issues she is raising are general. What measures are being taken? I would rather you engage Sen. (Dr.) Musuruve at the Committee and you could, probably, invite her to have a discussion on what the Committee can do to help address this issue at a national level.[The Deputy Speaker...

Order, Senators!

What is it, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on the first question, the Senator is asking a very serious question, and I thought I should help. The help that Sen. Sakaja, the Super Senator, can give with his super way of doing things is, if you want to find out whether the asphyxia was...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, the Statement is ready. March 22, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, this is the second time he is absent.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will just give a summary because the Senator has this response. The request for Statement was on the registration of births and deaths in Kenya. The Member wanted to know the process of acquiring birth certificates in Kenya and why the Nandi Hills...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, the Statement is ready.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Statement was on the recruitment of the Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) . The question was whether the CS is aware that there is discrimination in the on-going KDF recruitment. The KDF recruitment is open to all eligible candidates interested in joining. The policy...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the statement was answered, but there was additional information required which will be available next Thursday.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that will be okay.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the statement is ready. I will just seek indulgence to give it after two minutes. It is somewhere at the table.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is actually in the House.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is en-route. I can issue it after the Senate Majority Leader makes his Statement.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Senator who asked for it is also not in the House.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to dispense of with it.

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would hate to interrupt my leader as she seeks a Statement. However, is she in order to request a Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) (b) ? (Sen. (Eng.) Maina consulted the Deputy Speaker)

Sen. Sakaja Actually,Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there are two things that are now out of order. The first one is about Senators taking your attention while it is being sought by---

Sen. Sakaja They are approaching at the wrong time. Secondly, is my leader in order to seek for a Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) (b) , which does not exist in our Standing Orders? March 22, 2018 SENATE DEBATES (Laughter)

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the appropriate one is Standing Order No.46 (2) (b) . I think she can go ahead, because that is not an error of fact.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, to avoid a back and forth on this issue, I need Sen. (Rev.) Waqo to confirm what she means by “recently.” There have been Ethiopian refugees in Kenya for decades. “Recently” could be five years, two years or one year ago. She should kindly...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we can have a response by Thursday next week.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have the response.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Chairperson of the Committee shared it, if I am not wrong.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when we discussed it the first time in the House, I immediately invited the Senator of Samburu to a meeting with the Inspector General of Police and we started working on it immediately. However, some of the things that have been done there are...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, kindly allow me to clarify what I had said. I have said that in so far as this specific situation is concerned, I think that this is the best response that we can get for we will not get anything more. What I am...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is something that we are working on as a Committee, we will communicate the dates.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have agreed as a Committee that we are doing that including bringing a legislation. It is just a matter of agreeing on the dates on when to meet the Executive, then we will communicate to the Senators.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what my good friend, Sen. Lelegwe, is asking for is in the response. The response says that they are still trying to recover the rest. There cannot be a definite date of when it will be recovered. The response says that they have given...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will do that.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Statement (e) was requested by Sen. Cherargei.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is ready, but the Senator is not in the House. I just want to confirm if I can give the Statement if he is not in the House.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when you defer the Statement, you are not punishing the person who is not here. You are punishing the person who is here and who is ready to respond to the Statement.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what it does is that the other statements requested by Members that are below the list will never be reached, yet they are here.

Sen. Sakaja Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. However, since the famous handshake, I am not sure whether this Statement needs to be responded to, unless the person who asked for it is still stuck there. But I have the answer, which I can give.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have the response.

Sen. Sakaja Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, much obliged and thank you for taking note of the style. First, I was asked to respond about the number of clan clashes that have occurred within the past year in Wajir County. The list starts from No.1, on 14th January, 2016 in Malkaguf...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not seem to have this particular response with me.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will issue it on Thursday, tomorrow. I am sure it is within the precincts of the House.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is why I am called the Super Senator.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have discussed this issue with the good Senator for Wajir County who asked the question and we agreed to bring it later. Remember, I had invited Members as well as Sen. Prengei to attend our induction, where we would discuss with thestakeholders in...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is not ready; we will get it next Thursday.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Statement is ready.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the good Senator, a Member of the Nairobi Delegation has it. She has had it for a while.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, allow me to read it after the next one because I cannot find it here but I have it. (A Serjeant-at-Arms walked towards Sen. Sakaja with the document) It is actually being brought to me. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I plead with the office...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Statement is ready but the ----

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am defending in a super manner. I cannot see the Senator who asked for it in the House.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I cannot see Sen. Loitiptip.

Sen. Sakaja Okay, Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir. We can do it when he is back.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Statement on Ahero Sub-County has resurfaced and the Senator is going through it. If we finish it---

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, better than the usual style. This is a matter regarding killings of demonstrators in Ahero, Kisumu County. It is a matter that happed in respect to the post-election skirmishes that we had. I have discussed with the Senator for Kisumu County. There are only...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to associate myself with the sentiments from colleagues in welcoming the delegations. We were privileged as the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare to interact with the delegation from the House of Chiefs of Botswana and we learnt a lot....

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to ask for additional information because many teachers from Nairobi who were stationed in Wajir County have been sending me messages appealing to be moved because they are afraid for their lives. As recently as today, I have got messages from them. On...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am asking that because even the new teachers who will be employed will still leave for the same reasons. However, let us get the response from the Chairperson. I will leave it at that.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to request for a Statement pursuant to Standing Order 46 (2) (b) from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget. This is regarding Ksh65billion owed by the national government and its agencies to the Nairobi City County Government. In...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Pursuant to the same Standing Order 46 (2) (b) , I rise to seek a statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources. This is with regard to theissuance of tittle deeds to residents of Kibagare village...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, I am satisfied. Madam Temporary Speaker, there is one last statement I want to request for, which was also approved. Allow me to proceed.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order 46 (2) (b) I rise to seek a statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights on the compensation of victims of the 8th August and 26th October 2017 post-election chaos. In...

Sen. Sakaja I am Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. That Statement is for the Committee on Justiceand Legal affairs.

Sen. Sakaja Yes.

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, the Chairperson is here. Did you mean the Member who requested the Statement?

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Going by the question about derogatory music and the response that has been given, it is not enough that the matter is before the court? I think that in itself should be a sufficient answer unless there was something else...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. At the outset, I just want to say that I sympathise with my brother, the Senator for Laikipia. Sometimes, some of these responses just come very wordy. It is like there is a template in some of these departments on how to respond...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, I am seeking further clarification.

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, if you go to Kipini and you see the amount of fresh water that is flowing into the Indian Ocean, you will want to cry. We want the Ministry to tell us what they are doing to harvest the huge amounts of fresh water flowing...

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to plead with the Clerk’s Office. We are really being mistreated, as Chairpersons of Committees, because when we come to give responses, we find 30 responses on the Order Paper. We, therefore, sit until 5 o’clock only to be told that the responses...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, there is a lot of interest. Most Senators had an opportunity to contribute to this before. I am glad to be the last before the mover replies. I join the Senator of Makueni County who spoke before me in acknowledging the industry and dedication of...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will take the cue from where Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. has left off by quoting the Bible in the book of Genesis 11:6, the Lord says; “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they...

- “To survive in peace and harmony, united and strong, we must have one people, one nation, one flag.” I am very proud today to second this amendment Bill by my brother, the Senator for Makueni County, who as he has mentioned, we have been exploring ways over time on...

March 20, 2018 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Sakaja“Minister alete bendera nyumbani.” When we see a flag, we immediately know that is a national or public institution. Let us change this. So, it is unfortunate that over all these years, flying the flag has been a matter of privilege. I am glad...

“Minister alete bendera nyumbani.” When we see a flag, we immediately know that is a national or public institution. Let us change this.

Senator, be very careful not to attract--- Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I went to that very prominent---

The trouble will not come from this side. I am just alerting you. Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not see many people who can challenge that statement. They did not go to the Duke of York School, Lenana School. I am very glad that Amb. Kimani is...

Order Sen. Sakaja. I do not want to disrupt your flow of thought for you are sounding quite professorial. However, looking at the clock, the Motion has to be Seconded and the Question has to be proposed, if it has to survive, I am asking you to work around that...

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Sen. Sakaja Yes, briefly. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, under Standing Order No.226 when such a Report is tabled, you have discretion to allow a few comments that do not amount to debate. I have listened very carefully to the recommendations of the Committee and...

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make recommendations on how the Talai Clan can benefit from the Equalisation Fund pursuant to Article 204(3)(b) of the Constitution, which states as follows:-“The national government may use the Equalisation Fund––

Are we supposed to comment? The Senate Minority Leader (

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir. This Committee has a special mandate beyond what is in the standing orders. The Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Act mandates this particular Committee in charge of equalization to receive a report every six months from the Public Procurement Regulatory Authority (PPRA) on...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is the response that we got from the Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Transport, Infrastructure, Housing and Urban Development. We will check what was sent to him because the shortfall could have been from our side.

Sen. Sakaja Obliged, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is the response that we got from the Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Transport, Infrastructure, Housing and Urban Development. We will check what was sent to him because the shortfall could have been from our side.

You can check and add the riders that were raised because they were also very substantive.

Obliged, Mr. Speaker, Sir. PUBLICATION AND DISTRIBUTION OF EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS

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Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I appreciate the Senate Minority Leader’s adherence to the Standing Orders. Standing Order No.90 (4) states that; “No Senator shall impute improper motive to any other Senator or to a Member of the National Assembly except upon a specific substantive...

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Sen. Sakaja What is your intervention Sen. Madzayo? March 8, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is your intervention Sen. Madzayo?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, much as I appreciate what you have ruled, I would like to know if I am in a position to see the response to that Statement when Sen. Sakaja is through with reading it. I wonder if he is a reading a response from the Ministry responsible...

Hon. Senator, how do you know if somebody is reading a Statement---

Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is why I am asking how he is stating the facts before the House. Could he verify? March 8, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

Mr. Speaker, Sir, yesterday there was a ruling by the Speaker that these Statements be given in summary for us to save time when dealing with such issues. Imagine if the Statement is ten pages and somebody takes ten minutes, we will not make progress.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had earlier wanted to rise on a point of order but this is still sufficient. If this Senate finds it boring and a waste of time to discuss youth and unemployment, then what are we here for? This is happening on International Women’s day...

Thank you, Sen. Sakaja.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I agree with the sentiments of Sen. M. Kajwang' that the employment Authority in itself seems not to be alive to what they should be doing. It is very unfortunate if they can only reach 18,000 young people in terms of registration. It seems that they have...

and for all. One of the challenges that we are facing as a country is that we are having people who are trained, they have gone to school but they do not have equal opportunities.Finally, even as the Chairperson of the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare seeks and finds...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also want to ride on that. When you are told that 18,000 people have been registered with that authority, you even wonder whether it exits. This is the problem of putting all organisations, commissions or bodies’ headquarters in Nairobi, because they do not know...

Sen. Sakaja, what is your intervention? Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I appreciate that concern raised by Sen. (Dr.) Ali. In fact, I am glad that this question was asked. This issue was our first business during the first meeting of the Standing Committee on Labour and Social...

Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Ongeri. March 8, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

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