Johnson Arthur Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja Hon. Senators, I really want to seek your indulgence because the list is very long and we may go on up to very late, yet we have a caucus. Please, I know we can recollect our thoughts and put all that we want to say in five minutes....

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I stand up with mixed feelings because I am not standing for re-election. So, this may very well be the last time I am speaking in this House. I recollect the first time that I spoke in Parliament which was...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, because of the challenges---

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to The Public Procurement and Asset Disposal (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bills No. 32 of 2021) that has come to us from the National Assembly. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Act is...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I was waiting for you to say less minutes because you gave Sen. (Dr.) Zani five minutes. Personally, I know you believe in bottom-up. Therefore, you will hear this. Since we came to this House, we have never received this report. I have...

Sen. Sakaja So much reaction for that Statement on a matter of general topical concern. We now move to the next Statement by Sen. Madzayo. April 7, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 11 Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to make a Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1)...

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to support the Sugar Bill that is before us from the National Assembly. I come from the western part of Kenya where sugarcane is a key cash crop. We depend on this crop so much that we have...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to support the Sugar Bill that is before us from the National Assembly. I come from the western part of Kenya where sugarcane is a key cash crop. We depend on this crop so much that we have invested a...

Madam Temporary Speaker, there is no need for us to support some companies at the expense of others because we have been given few coins. Let us support all companies so that we stop these rogue individuals from importing sugar. Why is the Government allowing some cartels to import sugar...

Order! Sen. Shiyonga, that is serious if you are trying to imply that anybody has bought any legislator here. Please, desist from that kind of allegation.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am not saying there is somebody who has been bought. I am just saying if at all any can be bought to kill the farmers or April 7, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 21

millers, it will be unfortunate. We need to strike a balance between the millers who will invest in this sugar industry and promote small scale farmers. The policies should run across board to accommodate everyone and all millers who have also invested a lot in this industry.I am not being...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you so much. I am very grateful to Sen. (Dr.) Musuruve. In her list, she has mentioned sporting greats who have made our country proud. I am grateful to her that this time she has mentioned the late Emily Ayoti Kubasu, my mother,...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there is a huge issue around insurance. I have been talking to Passenger Service Vehicle (PSV) operators in Nairobi and recently, I talked to Mrs. Mary Mwangi of Double M buses. The woes that are facing that sector are critical. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir,...

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, is Sen. Farhiya in order to mislead the House? I think she is the one who moved this Bill. She is talking about national authorities dealing in this sector. The Kenya Sugar Board is a national authority. Agriculture and Food Authority (AFA) , which...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. This Bill is timely. It was first published in 2019 and passed on 11th November, 2021 in the National Assembly and that is why it is here. Something needs to be done. I will speak generally first about the agricultural and food...

Sen. SakajaIs he in order for not being sensitive to let people start mourning properly, before attacking them immediately? It has just happened. The body is still warm. Please, let us be sensitive to the loss. (Laughter) March 31, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 13 Sen. Sakaja You are out or order,...

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja Mr Speaker, Sir, for indulging me. I seek to be very brief. I have four statements that I sought from different committees, and they are at different levels of processing. Now that we are almost coming to the end of our term in the Senate, through

What is it, Sen. Wambua?

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, even on that one, I vote yes. I vote yes even on Sen. Omanga.

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, I vote yes.

Sen. Sakaja: Madam Temporary Speaker, I vote yes (Loud consultations)

Hon. Senators, can we have some order. Can we take our seats? I do not want to mention your names. Kindly let us have some order and please take your seats. Let us continue. (Roll call voting in progress) Yes, we can do a run through. I can see some...

Sen. Sakaja I have never had any doubt that my distinguished Nephew will always be on the right side of history regardless of the weight of the moment. I want to end by urging him that we have something tangible before we make our next move. Senators Orengo, Murkomen, others...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker Sir, thank Sen. Kibiru although he is walking out. It is important that you listen to this. Sen. Kibiru has reported a progress on the matter of the Grants Bill. If I sat in this House yesterday and I followed debate, what Members asked the Chairman...

Sen. Wetangula, conclude.

I have never had any doubt that my distinguished Nephew will always be on the right side of history regardless of the weight of the moment. I want to end by urging him that we have something tangible before we make our next move. Senators Orengo, Murkomen, others and I...

Senator Wambua, proceed.

Mr. Speaker Sir, thank Sen. Kibiru although he is walking out. It is important that you listen to this. Sen. Kibiru has reported a progress on the matter of the Grants Bill. If I sat in this House yesterday and I followed debate, what Members asked the Chairman of Finance...

I encourage my friend Sen. Kibiru to move now beyond talks with other Chairman and make sure that the Committee sits, concludes this Bill, they bring a Report and we move to the substantive Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bills No.8 of 2022).

Sen. Cheruiyot, proceed.

Mr. Speaker, I encourage my Chairman not to be a near do- good. Otherwise, he will set a very bad example that he nearly does the right thing every now and then especially in this season. You know, yesterday he gave a very good promise before this House and we...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order, Sen. Orengo? The Senate Minority Leader (

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja Sen. Nyamunga you want to say something?

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I raised three points of order yesterday. I was online but was not given an opportunity to speak and address the Speaker and the House regarding the issues I wanted to address. That is exactly what I was saying. That is not Greek; it...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to ignore that and move on with my contribution because---

Kindly explain to him because he is trying to understand, so that you can at least be on the same page.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I raised three points of order yesterday. I was online but was not given an opportunity to speak and address the Speaker and the House regarding the issues I wanted to address. That is exactly what I was saying. That is not Greek; it is plain...

Bill to be processed through mediation and a final report brought to this House for debate and adoption. In the absence of that, we will be shortchanging Kenyans. We will not be acting in good faith and doing what Kenyans brought us here to do.Mr. Temporary, Speaker, Sir, with those...

Proceed, Sen. Olekina.

Sen. Sakaja(Applause) March 24, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 25 Sen. SakajaFor those who are coming back to the Senate, this war is not over. Let us do what we must do now with these conditional grants and the division of revenue. Sen. Wambua will probably be the leader followed by Sen....

Sen. Sakaja Sen. (Prof.) Ongeri, please, proceed. (Applause) March 24, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 26 Sen. Sakaja On a point of information, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja The Senate Majority Leader, what is it?

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakajais our Deputy President. You will see him issuing a statement they have reduced the figure to Kshs370 billion. There is no politics. I am giving facts.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, what I have said is that IBEC is chaired by the Deputy President, which is a fact. The second fact is the proposal from CoG was Kshs751 billion. What was agreed by the Committee that was chaired by the Deputy President was Kshs370 billion....

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, I plead that you give direction on this matter. Still on Standing Order No.100. It is a fact – I should be the last person saying

What is it, Sen. Poghisio?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I do not know where this is coming from. I just want to follow from the Standing Order No.100. You cannot demand, for example, for common ordinary documents which are already in public domain and you have been given an assignment that you can look at...

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja: Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on the other hand, --- Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, first of all, I do not understand why you are engaging an argument with a Senator on the Floor. You have asked him to substantiate, let it be substantiated. I will be very happy to...

Point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. (Loud consultations) Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am on a point of order.

He is on a point of order. Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there are rules even as to what is admissible in this Senate. Let us see that official press statement. If it is correct, we will be happy. I will not be embarrassed by the truth. I love...

Senate Majority Leader, you may speak.

Point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Again, invoking Standing Order No.100, we will continue forever because we do not come to the same understanding of what Sen. Omogeni is saying. Of course, I cannot stand on a point of order on somebody who is just finding strength to do...

That is why I say it must be brought in this House. We have finished.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on the other hand, ---

Sen. Omogeni, please! Order, Member! The Majority Leader (

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, am I not on the Floor? March 24, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 40

Sen. Sakaja Hii shida ni kutetea mtu mmoja tu mwenye atapigiwa kura na Wakenya.

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja As you conclude, Sen. (Dr.) Musuruve.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you. Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

Sen. SakajaIndia has the Provincial Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as one of the variables, such that a county is able to produce or grow in terms of its production.Of course, you will not compare the economic growth of Nairobi City County to Mandera County. It is incentivised to do those...

Thank you, Sen. Sakaja, of course, with a rider that you have hopes for all of us. We leave it to God to answer that prayer. We have no other request. Sen. Poghisio, you may reply.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to reply and decry the fact that in other jurisdictions, when they are dealing with the Division of Revenue Bill, Senators would be scrambling to speak to this kind of Bill. Madam Temporary Speaker, as you can imagine, this is the most important thing that...

Sen. Olekina also spoke.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for that decision and communication. If you look at the history of The National Disaster Management Authority Bill, it originated from this House. This is a Bill that Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. and I sponsored jointly. In fact, it came up after...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to speak to this Bill. However, I cannot ignore what Sen. Mwaura has asked for. Mr. Felix Odhiambo was electrocuted in Mwihoko. We share Githurai. Githurai 44 is in my county and Githurai 45 is in Ruiru, Kiambu County. This gentleman’s...

Sen. Sakaja Yes. I was interested in that. I did not know that Mt. Kilimanjaro meant a hill that is difficult to climb in Kikamba. I knew about Chief Kivoi showing the missionaries the snow-capped mountain and said “Kinyaa”. I thought “Kinyaa” meant Kirinyaga because we call that area Kirinyaga...