Samuel Poghisio

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Sen. Poghisiophone? I cannot be on phone in this House when the Speaker is sitting. The Chair would have noticed it. November 21, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 20 Sen. Poghisio phone? I cannot be on phone in this House when the Speaker is sitting. The Chair would have noticed it.

Sen. Cheruiyot, kindly, conclude that matter for us to make progress.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, if Sen. Poghisio was to allow me, I would conclude my matter. The point I was trying to raise is that if Sen. Poghisio had concentrated enough to listen to my argument from the beginning, he would have realized my point. If in trying to push my...

Kindly conclude.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Since we began this debate, Sen. Sakaja, who is the originator of this Statement, has brought a twist to this issue. Perhaps the best way to handle it is to pick on five areas that are more critical to Nairobi City County, and have a...

I thought that the matter is going to be ruled on by the Speaker?

Which one?

The same matter that has been brought by Sen. Sakaja.

I am abandoning my persuasion on whether to proceed. Earlier on I thought that a Committee of the Whole will be better. However, I pray that we stay long enough until Members get to see the difference between what I was trying to argue, then we will have the discussion...

Okay, Sen. Cheruiyot. Since Sen. Cherargei is not here to comment on this matter, we will finally listen to Sen. Olekina.

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Sen. Poghisioby some kind of innuendo? One day it is in Uganda and the next Kenya. How is that even possible?In 1930 Kacheliba Constituency was ceded to Uganda for administration only. That was very wrong, but it was decided then that it would be administered by Uganda. What happened is...

Sen. Poghisio On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I think in a way, we have an issue to talk about called football. In the middle of an existing Motion that is going, football has suddenly taken over to the extent that we do not know whether we...

Sen. Poghisio Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I support this Statement by the Senator of Wajir. All our counties which have been mentioned with regard to this particular Fund have to listen to this. I want to encourage the Committee that will take up this matter to pay great attention...

Sen. Poghisio Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The distinguished Senator from Bungoma has gone ahead and given some answers albeit unsolicited. Those answers---

Sen. Poghisio Mr. Speaker, Sir, the HANSARD will bail me out. It will prove that there was an attempt to provide answers. I did not say that in bad light. In fact, I was going to follow up on those answers. I wanted to seek that the Committee, given that...

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Sen. Poghisio Thank you, very much. Sen. Cherargei, there is no provision for you to respond. Could you allow us to move to the next Order? Well done for the great job, but we will not allow you to respond. November 7, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 38 Sen. Poghisio House; the...

Sen. Poghisio Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to join you, the Senator for Vihiga County and Sen. Omanga in welcoming members of Public Accounts and Investments Committee from Vihiga County Assembly. Those of us who have had an opportunity to visit Vihiga have seen they are working to...

Sen. Poghisio Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate, today, 5th November, 2019. JOINT REPORT ON CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (NATIONAL GOVERNMENT) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 2019 November 5, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 1

Sen. Poghisio Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion - November 5, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 2 Sen. PoghisioTHAT, this House adopts the Joint Report of the Sessional Committee on Delegated Legislation and the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget on the consideration of the Public...

Sen. Poghisio: Is that the Chairman of KANU? Mr. Speaker, Sir, the control of the consultation volume can help Members. It is the House that should be quiet, not me lowering my voice. (Loud Consultations) November 5, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 14

Mr. Speaker, Sir, by a Communication made on Wednesday, 16th October, 2019, the Speaker of the Senate referred the regulations to a joint Committee of the Sessional Committee on Delegated Legislation and the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget for consideration. The Speaker directed that the joint committee files the...

Is that the Chairman of KANU? Sen. PoghisioThank you, very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Poghisio Order, Members! The Senate Majority leader (Sen. Murkomen) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have had discussions with my colleagues in this House about loans and grants. Many of the people who have misgivings and a problem with the approval of these Regulations, their main problem is the management...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to second this very important Motion. To start with, Senate is having a very unique opportunity to deal with a subject matter that we have grappled with in the last almost seven years through public debate about debt in this country.

Order, Members! The Senate Majority leader (

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have had discussions with my colleagues in this House about loans and grants. Many of the people who have misgivings and a problem with the approval of these Regulations, their main problem is the management of debt. It is not the ceiling of the debt or...

Yes, the interstate roads! You can see Sen. Olekina is helping me effortlessly because of his foreign experience!

Citizenship!

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Sen. Poghisio Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have replaced it with the word false.

Sen. Poghisio Both, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

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Sen. Poghisio Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply. This has been a good moment for Members of this Senate to speak up and ventilate on the issue of national debt. The Motion seeks to amend Regulation 26 (1) (c) of the Public Finance Management (National Government) Regulations, 2015...

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Sen. Poghisio Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is important that we support this Motion on engagement of community health workers by county governments. It is important, particularly for counties, for example, West Pokot County where I come from, to have people at the primary health level. I am a...

Sen. Poghisio Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I join my colleagues in supporting this Statement. There is a situation where the fight is within Samburu and not from outside. It is people who live in the same county that are attacking each other. With that kind of situation, this is not...

Sen. Poghisio Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion on commendation of Eliud Kipchoge and others who have made us proud in the field of athletics. Last week, Kenyans felt proud and the Flag of Kenya was a common occurrence in Vienna and on television screens all...

Sen. Poghisio Yes, they deny themselves quite a bit. So, I would like to commend them. Even though they are not all mentioned here, there are very many Kenyans who have done us proud this year. I do not want to belabour the point that we need to think seriously...

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Sen. Poghisio Thank you Chairperson of the CPAIC. Hon. Senators, it is true that the matter concerns counties. Therefore, I will defer the voting to tomorrow. (Putting of the question on the Motion deferred) October 16, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 56 Sen. Poghisio Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 October 16,...

Hon. Senators, there being no other request, I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank all the Senators who have contributed to this Motion. I also thank Members of the Committee who have burnt the midnight oil to ensure that these reports come to this House, not forgetting members of staff. Currently, the clerks attached to this Committee are held...

during our meetings. That way, they will be in a much better position to understand the issues raised by the Auditor-General, the manner in which the CPAIC deals with them and the recommendations that need to be put in place.If we had time and the good Senator for Nairobi City...

Thank you Chairperson of the CPAIC. Hon. Senators, it is true that the matter concerns counties. Therefore, I will defer the voting to tomorrow. (Putting of the question on the Motion deferred) ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30