Ledama Olekina

Sen. Olekina The next Bill is the County Oversight and Accountability Bill (Senate Bills No.17 of 2021) . December 22, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 10

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Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report and graciously request Sen. (Prof.) Ongeri to second.

Sen. Olekina Hon. Senators, there being no other business, it is now time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until today, Wednesday, 22nd December, 2021, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 10.59 a.m.

Can we hear from the Mover?

Madam Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report and graciously request Sen. (Prof.) Ongeri to second.

I second, Madam Deputy Speaker. (Question Proposed) December 22, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 12

Hon. Senators, I had rearranged the Order of the business of the House. For the convenience of the House, we will come back to Order No.8. Now, I want to further inform the House that for the convenience of the House, Order No.8 and Order No. 9 will be concluded...

Hon. Senators, there being no other business, it is now time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until today, Wednesday, 22nd December, 2021, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 10.59 a.m. December 22, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 13

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Sen. Ledama Thank you. Sen. Farhiya, proceed.

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Sen. Olekina Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have a lot of respect for my good friend, Sen. Linturi. I listened to his submission and although I partly agree to what he said, but if we have to reduce ourselves to performing only our role in plenary, then we would not...

Sen. Linturi, you said you want to be listened to in silence. You must listen to other people in silence. (Laughter) Sen. Olekina Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have a lot of respect for my good friend, Sen. Linturi. I listened to his submission and although I partly agree to...

What is it, Sen. Wambua? December 2, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 28

Sen. OlekinaMr. Speaker, Sir, I support. December 2, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 34 Sen. Olekina country in general are seeking for a chance where everyone will be included and covered by NHIF.Mr. Speaker, Sir, our Committee listened very carefully to several stakeholders, including the Council of Governors (CoG), the Ministry of...

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Sen. Olekina Mr. Speaker, Sir, considering the seriousness of the business on Order No.22 and the numbers required to make sure that we pass that business, I really request that we start with Order No.22 and complete it. I understand that many of the Bills there, including mine, will also...

Sen. Olekina Let us consult in low tones, Sen. Omanga. December 2, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 104

Mover.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Co-Operative Societies (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.11 of 2020) , be now read a Third Time and request Sen. Olekina to second. Sen. Olekina Mr. Speaker, Sir, I second. (Question proposed)

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Sen. Olekina Thank you, Sen. Olekina. Sen. Farhiya, you may proceed. In the interest of time, I am now giving three minutes to every Senator who will contribute. December 1, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 38 Sen. Olekina(Applause) Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights has done.

Thank you, Sen. Olekina. Sen. Farhiya, you may proceed. In the interest of time, I am now giving three minutes to every Senator who will contribute.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to commend the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights for the great job they have done. I wish to single out the issue on concurrence of Bills between the two Houses. Our legal experts, especially our Senior...

Sen. Seneta, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for also giving me a chance to welcome the delegation from Narok County. I also want to concur with Sen. Olekina that they are doing quite--- December 1, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 39

Sen. Olekina You are standing on a point of order.

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Sen. Olekina Thank you, Sen. Sakaja. Chairperson, Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources, proceed.

Thank you, Sen. Olekina. It is true that the Committee has done a good job. From where I sit, when I listen to Sen. Olekina saying that the former councillors are living in abject poverty, for me, you are just preaching to the converted. I know this so well. What...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker. I agree with what Sen. Olekina has said. I want to state something extremely important that I missed out, if you allow me. I have mentioned everyone in my secretariat, but there is one individual who likes hiding because he deals with...

Thank you, Sen. Sakaja. Chairperson, Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources, proceed. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON LAND, ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.51 (1) (b) , to make a Statement on the activities of the Senate Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources for the period commencing 1st July, 2021 to 30th November, 2021....

Sen. Olekinaresults will be streaming. In the last elections we had a challenge where there were so many problems when it came to the issue of connectivity.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we have one big problem which I will be very happy if it can be dealt with and it has...

What is it, Sen. Sakaja?

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I am shocked. Is it in order for my good friend Sen. Olekina to almost discourage media houses from sorting out their obligations to our young musicians and artists? It is important to read reports because when they appeared before the...

Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, I am one on the same line with Sen. Sakaja. It is not that they are unwilling to pay. It is always a cost in the budget. It is easy not to pay a Kenyan musician and get away with it but you can never get...

Maybe Sen. Olekina will tell you more than what you think. Sen. OlekinaSen. Sakaja, if you listened carefully to what I said, we should not have it as a prerequisite. We cannot say that we will not renew your license because you have not paid those media houses. That means...

What is it Sen. Murkomen?

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Sen. Sakaja - who is a musician and an artist by his own right - has raised a very important issue with regard to protection of our local content producers and copy right owners. Instead of Sen. Olekina accepting that man...

Proceed, Sen. Wetangula.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. We cannot let the distinguished Senator for Narok County get away with what he has said. Standing Order 96 is very clear. It says- ‘ (3) It shall be out of order to use offensive or insulting language whether in respect...

Sen. Olekina, Standing Orders 96 (4) is very clear. You have to withdraw and apologize. Sen. Olekina Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, first, let me state it very clearly that I have a lot of respect for Sen. Sakaja. At no point did I impute improper motive. If my good friend...

Sen Olekina, withdraw and apologies. Sen. Olekina I withdraw and apologize and we move on. My point is very clear. We should not pass laws that are punitive to the economy. What is out of order in that?

What is it, Sen. Sakaja?

Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir. The matter of imputing improper motive is not a matter of conjecture. It is in the Standing Orders. You cannot say that a Senator or a colleague is trying to play to the gallery. We are speaking about the law. Section 46 (a) of the Copyright...

Kindly summarize. Sen. Olekina Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, my time has been eaten up. Can I just finish my line of thought?

Kindly summarize. Sen. Olekinacreating your music, you have a ready market that you can be able to sell your services to.Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, to finalize, the Committee should now pay close attention to these TELCOs so that we do not find ourselves in a situation where we have invested...

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Sen. OlekinaSo often, we read in the newspapers that the KRA has lost about Kshs7.6 billion in accounts which are held offshore. Sometimes you will hear that they have not hit their target. The best way to ensure that they reach their target every quarter is to start treating every...

Sen. OlekinaWe have talented individuals in this country. This country leads in terms of technology. If you go to Ngong Road, you will find many technology hubs. There are many start-up companies that have been sold for millions of dollars.Recently I talked to a friend of mine and they told...

That is the end of the debate. I will put the question at the next debate. (Putting of the question on the Bill was deferred) I need to reorganize the Order Paper and we will move to Order No. 29. November 18, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 53 ADJOURNMENT OF THE SENATE...

Sen. Olekina, approach the Chair. (Sen. Olekina consulted with the Temporary Speaker) Sen. Olekinawhich is a bit short, about a week, will give us an opportunity to now explain to our constituents what it is that we do for them in the Senate.A lot of them will say Senator hajajenga...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I beg to second this adjournment Motion to adjourn the Senate up to Tuesday, 30th November, 2021 so that we allow the Senators to attend the Devolution Conference. This will be the last annual Devolution Conference. Moving on, it is going to be held...

I call upon, Sen. Olekina, to reply. Sen. Olekina Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I beg to reply. Let me thank my dear sister Sen. Were for seconding this Motion. I just want to remind our colleagues that when we come back from the recess, we have many Bills...

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.28 p.m., time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Tuesday, 30th November, 2021 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.28 p.m. November 18, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 57

Sen. Olekina Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to remind this House about what we have addressed in the past. I do not know whether we have selective amnesia or it depends on who is sitting on that seat. You made a ruling on this matter in this House earlier on...

Sen. OlekinaMr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, today we are talking about petroleum products being transported to Kisumu. We want to be sure that Kenya Pipeline Company (KPC) is doing a good job. I am happy that there have been positive changes in KPC. I hope that gradually we will see more...

Hon. Senators, we will proceed with Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.51 (1) (b) . The last Statement under that section is by the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget. He needs to issue a Statement relating to the activities of the committee. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE...

The Chairperson is not in. So, the Statement stands deferred. (Statement deferred) We will go back to Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.48 (1) . The first Statement is by Sen. Ngugi but since he is not here, we will proceed. The next Statement is by the Senator for Taita-Taveta...

The last Statement under that section is by Sen. Kwamboka. That Statement also stands deferred because she is not around. STATE OF POLICE STATIONS IN THE COUNTRY

Let us go to the next Order. THE HERITAGE AND MUSEUMS BILL November 17, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 34 (SENATE BILLS NO.22 OF 2021)

The Order stands deferred. THE COUNTY OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.17 OF 2021)

The Order stands deferred. THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.37 OF 2021)

The Order is deferred. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS (AMENDMENT) BILL, (SENATE BILLS NO. 38 OF 2021) ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INQUIRY INTO ALLEGATIONS REGARDING IRREGULARITIES IN THE PROCUREMENT OF VARIOUS PHARMACEUTICAL EQUIPMENT AND PRODUCTS BY KEMSA November 17, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 35

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following Motion- THAT, the Senate adopts the Report of the Standing Committee on Health on inquiry into allegations regarding irregularities in the procurement of various pharmaceutical equipment and products by the Kenya Medical Supplies Authority (KEMSA) , laid on the Table...

Sen. Olekina Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the fact that the recommendations of this House directed the offices of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) and the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) to investigate these individuals and until today, they have not been investigated will lead me to conclude that the...

Proceed. Sen. Olekina Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the fact that the recommendations of this House directed the offices of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) and the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) to investigate these individuals and until today, they have not been investigated will lead me to conclude that...

Sen. (Dr.) Ochillo-Ayacko, you may have the Floor.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to speak to this hallowed topic. The primary function of Parliament - aside from legislating and budget approval - is to oversight the use of public funds, fidelity to law and service delivery to people who are the true owners of...

international recognition. Those four things constitute an identity that should recognized by the United Nations.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the oversight function of this House is performed by Committees created by the Standing Orders and actualized by law. One such Committee is the Committee on Health that we have put in...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I notice that my brother, Sen. Cherargei is in awe and wonder about Kondele. I am not talking about the incident that took place in Kondele last week. The real Kondele is the one that you have not seen yet. Wait until the time comes. Kondele...

the front pages that money was lost at the Kenya Medical Supplies Authority (KEMSA). That is not news. Money was lost and nobody cares.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, what is reported out there is how some terrorists escaped prison. That becomes news. I believe our children are likely to become terrorists,...

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Sen. Olekina On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to seek some clarification on the reports which are being tabled in the House, having in mind the decision of the High Court in terms of what we, in the Senate, can oversight. The Auditor -General’s reports...

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise on a point of order to seek clarity and ask whether the distinguish Senator from Kakamega is in order by suggesting that we should promote issues of misappropriation of funds. I have heard him say that the KRA should waive all...

Sen. Olekina On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Olekina Mr. Speaker, Sir, this House will bear me witness that when I was designated to become the Senate Deputy Minority Leader, I gave it to the people of Kakamega. It is hypocritical for my friend, the distinguish Senator for Kakamega, to suggest and lie to the public that...

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir. Let me join my colleagues in appreciating the work that has been done by the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries. I used to think that the future of this country lies in the agricultural sector especially now that it is a devolved...

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I like the way people butcher my name. It is not “Oledama”. It is Ledama Olekina. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Statement by the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. I come from a school of thought that believes that...

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, I will go second.

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, thank you. Let me begin by thanking the distinguished Senator for Bomet for bringing this Statement on these universities. The cost of learning in this country has sky rocketed. During this era, it beats the purpose of having a public university that receives a lot...

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, you know it beats me sometimes when we rise on points of orders. The distinguished Senator from Nandi ought to have listened to my submissions. I said the Chairperson is a nominated Senator from Bomet. I was not referring to Sen. (Dr.) Lang’at because then,...

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, let me wind up. Of course, I had to laugh. (Laughter) November 16, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 27

Sen. Olekina It is okay. Let it attract but you cannot--- (Laughter)

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, when a point of order is raised, the person who raises the point of order expects to be given a response. My response is very simple. It will be written there, “laughter”. You know, and that matter proceeds. In conclusion, I hope that the Committee...

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to support these amendments to the County Governments (Amendment) Bill. From the onset, let me congratulate the distinguished Senator for Homa Bay for having thought out these amendments which bring some sense into the development of these counties. The biggest...

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to make a Statement that is personal and timely because it affects the welfare of 900 Kenyans. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.48 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare regarding the impending...

Sen. Olekina Madam Temporary Speaker, that is why I was requesting if I could add more information on this.

Sen. Olekina Madam Temporary Speaker, let me add some more information. This just happened this morning when the new board, led by the board chairperson Ms. Mwadime, who used to work for the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) issued that directive. What bothers me , and I would...

Sen. Olekina Madam Temporary Speaker, let me thank the Senate Deputy Majority Leader for raising that concern because this is a concern that I have also had as a Member. The Report on KEMSA was tabled in this House on 30th March, 2021. It has been on the Order Paper...

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Sen. Olekina Madam Temporary Speaker, I fully support Sen. Sakaja. However, there is an issue that he has raised, which cannot happen. November 4, 2021 SENATE DEBATES Sen. OlekinaArticle 219 of the Constitution is quite clear. A share of county revenue, which has been devolved, has to be sent in...

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Sen. Olekina Chairperson of the Senate Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, approach the Table. (Sen. M. Kajwang’ consulted the Clerk-at-the- Table)

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, in as much as you have used your discretion because I have replied, I must give that clarification. This does not touch on individuals who go to places like Dubai. Sen. Olekina, I saw the video you posted of three lovely Kenyan ladies from Nyeri who...

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Sen. Olekina. I will propose the question first. (Question proposed) November 4, 2021 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Olekina Right now, you see Committees of this House summoning NMS to appear before them while in essence they should be summoning the County Executive. Article 179 of the Constitution...

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Sen. Olekina Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on a point of order. Rrespect is paramount in this House. As a distinguished Senator, I am really embarrassed for my colleague, the Senator from Nandi County. I am sitting here not uttered a word and he has the audacity to utter words which...

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Motion. First of all, let me congratulate my dear colleague, Sen. Sakaja, for having done what most people would be afraid to do, to visit a foreign country and investigate circumstances that lead to Kenyans going through...

Sen. Olekina Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, absolutely.

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I appreciate and thank the good Senator for Nairobi City County for that very useful information. I have looked at several case studies on the Philippines. My point was that we need to look at the ILO November 3, 2021 SENATE DEBATES...

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, I wanted to comment on the first Statement, but I am also inclined to make some brief comments on the second one, which I fully support. On the first Statement---

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, is it true as we saw in the 411 today, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) intends to stop the voter registration exercise despite a court order, citing lack of budgetary allocation. If we continue behaving like a banana republic by not respecting court...

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, speaking for 60 seconds is difficult. The problem is that we do not have a consistent calendar for these students. Students are in school for two weeks, then sent home for midterm. They are asked to bring laptops when the parents cannot even afford a...

Sen. Olekina On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, we have three arms of Government and courts decide based on their facts.

Sen. Olekina Madam Deputy Speaker, is it in order for the distinguished Senator and the future governor of Nairobi City County to come out here and cast aspersions on the Judiciary, which rules based on facts that they are given on the table? The Judiciary does not know what the...

Sen. OlekinaI persuade my colleagues that whenever we get such a Motion, we should all support it so that we can continue doing our jobs. In Parliament, we do our job both in plenary and committees.I support.

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