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Sen. M. Kajwang’ Very well. Before I allow comments, I want to interrupt business and allow Sen. Kihika to move a quick Procedural Motion that does not require debate on an adding to the Speakers Panel by--- Let me not pre-empt the Motion that I have just approved. Proceed, Sen....

Sen. M. Kajwang’ The report by the Chairperson of the County Public Accounts and Investments Committee (CPAIC) touched on many things. This one item about the predicaments in the office of the Senator for Nairobi and the Senator for Machakos is just one of them. We may not have the...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on the same note, this Committee should look at the issues of statutory deductions and remittance of the county personnel not only in the Senators offices but also those who work in our counties. It is an issue that should be taken very...

If it is within your mandate, you must do your job. Sen. M. Kajwang’ Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is that approach but on the other hand, internally and administratively, we have got some procedures and some processes where one cannot access cash if they have not accounted for the...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Order, Senators. What is it Sen. Sakaja?

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That was an oversight. Sen. Farhiya you can reply or make the last comments on your Statement.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. One of the amendments that are on the Floor of this House as mentioned by Sen. (Eng.) Hargura, it is that the National Assembly actually wants to take away our role. December 4, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 47

The original Bill was that any regulation be tabled in both Houses and then the Clerks of each House decide whether this is for this Committee or not. They have deleted that and only said, the relevant House, but regulations should go to the National Assembly. How will the Senate...

Hon. Senators, we now move on to Order No.14.. December 4, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 48 THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS RETIREMENT SCHEME BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.10 OF 2018

Sen. M. Kajwang’Conclude, Sen. M. Kajwang’. Bill on County Early Childhood Education. We discussed this Bill in the last Parliament, November 29, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 43 Sen. M. Kajwang’ Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute to this very important Bill on ECDE. I congratulate the...

Sen. M. Kajwang’Order, Sen. Olekina! How can you interrupt the Chair? Interrupt your colleagues. When you have an important point to canvass, you need a lot of composure because you need to make sure that your point is heard. However, making it even for the arbiter to appear as if...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ Order, hon. Senator! We will not spend much more time on this. The electronic voting is available to the public. It can tell you how a Senator voted. So, the debate on this matter either pro or against is over. It is time to vote. Can we...

Sen. M. Kajwang’Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is you who made a ruling that this matter concerns counties. If a matter concerns counties, it goes to the core of the business of the Senate.

Sen. M. Kajwang’ Order, Sen. Orengo! The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I normally do not insist on making a point in this House. However, this one, I will make without fear of contradiction ---

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also wish to thank the Powers and Privileges Committee for tabling this Report. Yesterday, there was a brief debate about when the Report would be tabled. I thank the Committee and the office of the Speaker for keeping the promise that they...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move the following Motion- THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Sessional Committee on County Public Accounts and Investments, on the inquiry into possible loss of funds through the acquisition of Land LR.No.7879/4 (part) by the National...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I hope that having updated the Order Paper, that copies of this Report shall be available on the table so that Members can go through. As a background, before devolution, primary schools in Nairobi City and seven other municipalities were managed...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I thought you were going to object to the state of Sen. Cherargei in 1981; whether he was liquid or solid. (Laughter)

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, probably, he was gaseous. In 1981, the Government paid Kshs64 million for construction of 500 houses through the defunct Kenya Post and Telecommunications Corporation (KPTC) . Only 196 houses were completed. Later on, in 2012, the Ministry of Interior and Coordination National Government...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for protecting me. We shall know in what form the Majority Whip was in 1981. November 15, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 8 Sen. M. Kajwang’In the year 2018, the Ministry of Education acquired 13.7701 acres of land at cost of Kshs3.269 billion...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I was getting carried away.

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me then restate my last sentence.

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I withdraw.

Sen. M. Kajwang' And apologise, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would have said as Sen. Wetangula says, ‘I withdrew and apologized, but I will make it in the---

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will proceed with your guidance. We have said that the EACC should recover the funds. We have further said in our recommendations that the CS and the Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology, Dr. Fred Matiang’i...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is the Principal Secretary. Where I have said Permanent Secretary, the HANSARD should strike out Permanent and put in Principal. The CS and PS, Ministry of Education, Science and Technology should be held responsible for the loss of Kshs1.5 billion...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I beg that Sen. Olekina seconds. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM THE PARLIAMENT OF MALAWI

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Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Therefore, with Kshs100 million, we will still end up with 32 schools. Therefore, Kshs3.2 billion is a lot of money that can finance the budget of Lamu County for a year. We visited the children of Ruaraka Primary School and assured...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ I also thank everyone for the debate this afternoon. You have tried to manage the issues within the Standing Orders. Therefore, you did not make my life as difficult as I thought. The life of an umpire can be difficult when there are contestations.

Did you say the Chair was building schools? November 15, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 36 Sen. M. Kajwang’ Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am advised by the Whips in the House that we defer the putting of question in line with the relevant Standing Order No.61 (3) . Therefore, with your...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ What is it, Senate Majority Leader?

Sen. M. Kajwang’ What is your point of order, Senate Minority Leader? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you had proposed to the Mover whether the vote should go on or not. (Sen. Murkomen stood up in his place)

Sen. M. Kajwang’ We do not have numbers.

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also wish to thank the Powers and Privileges Committee for tabling this Report. Yesterday, there was a brief debate about when the Report would be tabled. I thank the Committee and the office of the Speaker for keeping the promise that they...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move the following Motion- THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Sessional Committee on County Public Accounts and Investments, on the inquiry into possible loss of funds through the acquisition of Land LR.No.7879/4 (part) by the National...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I hope that having updated the Order Paper, that copies of this Report shall be available on the table so that Members can go through. As a background, before devolution, primary schools in Nairobi City and seven other municipalities were managed...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I thought you were going to object to the state of Sen. Cherargei in 1981; whether he was liquid or solid. (Laughter)

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, probably, he was gaseous. In 1981, the Government paid Kshs64 million for construction of 500 houses through the defunct Kenya Post and Telecommunications Corporation (KPTC) . Only 196 houses were completed. Later on, in 2012, the Ministry of Interior and Coordination National Government...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for protecting me. We shall know in what form the Majority Whip was in 1981. November 15, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 8 Sen. M. Kajwang’In the year 2018, the Ministry of Education acquired 13.7701 acres of land at cost of Kshs3.269 billion...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I was getting carried away.

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me then restate my last sentence.

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I withdraw.

Sen. M. Kajwang' And apologise, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would have said as Sen. Wetangula says, ‘I withdrew and apologized, but I will make it in the---

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will proceed with your guidance. We have said that the EACC should recover the funds. We have further said in our recommendations that the CS and the Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology, Dr. Fred Matiang’i...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is the Principal Secretary. Where I have said Permanent Secretary, the HANSARD should strike out Permanent and put in Principal. The CS and PS, Ministry of Education, Science and Technology should be held responsible for the loss of Kshs1.5 billion...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I beg that Sen. Olekina seconds. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM THE PARLIAMENT OF MALAWI

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Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Therefore, with Kshs100 million, we will still end up with 32 schools. Therefore, Kshs3.2 billion is a lot of money that can finance the budget of Lamu County for a year. We visited the children of Ruaraka Primary School and assured...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ I also thank everyone for the debate this afternoon. You have tried to manage the issues within the Standing Orders. Therefore, you did not make my life as difficult as I thought. The life of an umpire can be difficult when there are contestations.

Did you say the Chair was building schools? November 15, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 36 Sen. M. Kajwang’ Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am advised by the Whips in the House that we defer the putting of question in line with the relevant Standing Order No.61 (3) . Therefore, with your...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ What is it, Senate Majority Leader?

Sen. M. Kajwang’ What is your point of order, Senate Minority Leader? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you had proposed to the Mover whether the vote should go on or not. (Sen. Murkomen stood up in his place)

Sen. M. Kajwang’ We do not have numbers.

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today, Wednesday, 14th November, 2018- CPAIC REPORT ON INQUIRY INTO THE FINANCIAL OPERATIONS OF VARIOUS COUNTY GOVERNMENTS Report of the Sessional Committee on Public Accounts and Investments on the...

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Sen. M Kajwang’ Sen Olekina. Sen. Olekina: Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to comment on this important Bill which I hope and wish that a majority of Kenyans are keen to listen to what it is about to do. I have not had enough time...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish to join my colleague Senators in supporting this Bill and congratulate the Senator for West Pokot, Sen. Poghisio, for bringing it before the House. I have had the privilege of speaking to this Bill in the Eleventh Parliament. I recall that...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, indeed, it is true that I looked at Sen. Sakaja and the Deputy Speaker as well. In no way did I mean to compare the heads of the two very distinguished Senators who happen to have gone to a very fine school whose...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will stay away from sizes of heads and fruits. Indeed, I said that I first saw the jack fruit when I was grown up. It is a huge fruit and cylindrical. The jack fruit approach to development is something that we discussed...

Sen. M Kajwang Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is an example of an enterprising lady in this Republic who has made a very good name in outdoor advertising--- November 13, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 35 Sen. M KajwangThe Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): Are you assuming that she is known by...

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Sen. M. Kajwang:debate, I will not purport to answer him. However, I will just let him know that the way it works, it is really a licensing issue not a procurement one.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, once a company has been guaranteed permission to operate within certain parameters, for instance in...

Thank you, very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Allow me to start from where you left off, noting that the Speaker does not debate or speak. However, in this particular instance, a question has been raised by Sen. M. Kajwang‘ on the difference between licensing and procurement with respect to...

debate, I will not purport to answer him. However, I will just let him know that the way it works, it is really a licensing issue not a procurement one.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, once a company has been guaranteed permission to operate within certain parameters, for instance in the Matatu...

Could you repeat it for the benefit of the Chair?

Sen. M. Kajwang' Asante, Bw. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa nafasi nyingine tena. Nampongeza rafiki yangu, Sen. Olekina, kwa kuleta Hoja hii mbele ya Seneti. Hakika, tunafaa kuukuza utalii ndani ya Kenya. Kuna mambo mengi maridadi yaliyo mafichoni humu Kenya, ambayo tunafaa kuyatoa nje ili kuvutia watu wengi. Kwa hakika,...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Motion. The question I pose is: Should counties engage the Kenya Red Cross Society (KRCS) when it comes to disaster management, provision of ambulances and related services? We have two examples. Mandera and Kisii counties signed up...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to support The Care and Protection of Older Members of Society, (Senate Bills No.17 of 2018) that has been sponsored by the Senator for Kericho, Sen. Aaron Cheruiyot. Madam Temporary Speaker, in the last one week in my county, I...

Sen. M. Kajwang' Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. We never concluded the County Pension Scheme Bill in the last Parliament. It is before this House and we have a responsibility to make sure that we adopt it. We had a conversation with the Governor for Uasin Gishu last week when...

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Sen. M. Kajwang’ Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to ride on that Statement because there is something fundamental that would benefit this House. I did not hear the Senator for Isiolo ask for a statement on the budgetary allocation for this project. It will be very useful for this House,...

Sen. M. Kajwang’ On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The issue of fall army worms is not only restricted to the regions that Sen. Seneta has listed. With her indulgence, I urge that she expands this, so that we have a national analysis of the implication of fall...