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Sen. Wako On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wako Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to inform him that the Attorney-Generals of the Republic of Kenya during the 1970s and 1980s were two or three. We had Mr. Kamere who was followed by Justice Muli.

Sen. Wako Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Motion read between the 1970s and 1980s”. The first Attorney-General of the Republic of Kenya was Mr. Charles Njonjo who retired in the late 1970s, followed by Mr. Karugu, Mr. Kamere and Justice Muli, in that order. Those were the Attorney-Generals who served in...

Sen. Wako On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wako On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is the Senator in order to refer to the case of Wallace, when it is the Attorney General at that time, Amos Wako, who facilitated a compensation to Wallace of over Kshs9 million, which was, in fact, also duly recorded...

Sen. Wako Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to speak on this very important Motion. On the onset, it is clear to say that I support this Motion. In particular, it calls upon the national Government to comprehensively deal with the compensation of former detainees. I...

Sen. Wako Mr. Speaker, Sir, the other thing I was a bit concerned about – with a bit of light touch – is when Sen. Lesuuda raised a point of order because Sen. Khalwale said she and Daisy were not aware of what was going on since they were too...

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Sen. Wako Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have no problem with that. It goes without saying. In fact, for the benefit of the distinguished Sen. for Busia, I had not realised that the Vice Chairperson was here. I realised that the Chairperson was not here and talked to Sen....

Sen. Wako If the Senate Majority Leader was listening to you, I would have asked him to respond on the issue you have raised. This was the same issue of getting delayed answers from civil servants and whether there is a way we can have them here; whether outside the...

Leader of Majority, do you have something to say to that?

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Sen. Wako Who are these guys, Sen. G. G. Kariuki?

Sen. Wako The clocks are not syncronised; one is saying 12.17 p.m. and another one is saying it is 12.20 p.m. The Leader of Majority must reply at 12.20 p.m. I do not know whether he will donate his time but in the meantime, I will give this chance to...

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Sen. Wako Sen. Wetangula? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is a Procedural Motion that we had discussed and informed you, and I fully support it so that we give as much space as possible to Members to speak, knowing that we are debating a...

Order, Sen. Wako! You are on a point of order; you are not making your contribution. I think you have made your point. Sen. WakoIf I could be heard in silence, Mr. Speaker, Sir. An

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Sen. Wako I vote yes for “a”, “b” and “c.” The Clerk-at-the-Table: Sen. Bonni Khalwale, Kakamega County.

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Sen. Wako It is very clear.

Sen. Wako It is very clear.

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Sen. Wako Order hon. Senators; it is now time to adjourn the Senate after we have exhausted the business for the Special Sitting. The House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 25th February, 2014, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 11.09 p.m. (Laughter) The Clerk-at-the-Table: Sen. Wetangula, Moses, Masika, Bungoma County.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the entire Bungoma delegation votes “yes” on “a,” yes on “b” and yes on “c.”

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Sen. Wako Order, Sen. Wako! You have said that we are all men of repute. Are you oblivious that there was a woman next to you? February 4, 2014 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Wako Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity as well to support this...

Order, Sen. Wako! You have said that we are all men of repute. Are you oblivious that there was a woman next to you? Sen. Wakoto be selected to this Committee to ignore a lot of the issues that will come to them. I can foresee canvassing that will come...

Sen. Wako I cannot ignore. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think Sen. Omar has made his point. The fact that he is here means that there are no demonstrations outside there! (Laughter)(Laughter)

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Sen, Wako Order, Sen. Wako! First, I want to thank everybody for the interventions you have made and in particular to borrow from Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale in terms of maybe there are issues around it which we need to look at. But for now, I am guided by the Standing...

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cannot add more than what Sen. Orengo has advised. Being good friends and lawyers, I am sure I do not need to add more.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, fortunately, we are neighbours with Sen. Karaba and we have common interests in Mwea, and you actually did---

Order, Sen, Kivuti! You have a tendency to give other Statements other than what you are being asked. Our Standing Orders require us to be relevant and precise. Just respond whether you have done it or not.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, what I was trying to explain is that we have discussed the matter and the Statement sought was given in writing but because of the nature of the problem, Sen. Karaba wanted the Committee to visit his area and we have agreed that we will look for...

That is good.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am aware that Sen. Karaba has discussed this matter with the Chairman of our Committee and I am also aware that the Chairman of the Committee has indicated that he will bring this matter up for discussion as a Committee, after which a decision on the...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is it really fair to the House and to the country which is following this debate live on television and radio for us to adopt that position because our understanding is that the Statement should be made to the House so that...

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! I do not think the discussions between the Committee Chair and the Senator ended there. The first agreement with the Senator was a visit. So they need to agree on the dates of the visit. You do not need to televise that. Then after they make...

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Order, Senators! We had exhausted debate on this Motion on this particular Motion. So the Motion is awaiting to go to division.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have instructions from the Senate Majority Leader, Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki that there are proposals to extend debate on this Motion and to bring an amendment which he is agreeable. He has no objection to that.

Under which Standing Order? The Mover had replied.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, with regard to the request being made by Sen. Keter, this debate on this Motion was concluded yesterday and the Mover had replied. Is it still possible that we can reopen debate and carry out an amendment on a Motion whose discussion had been completed?

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, if we were to open debate on the same Motion, we will be setting a very bad precedent where Members who for whatever reasons have failed to attend the House will be coming up with their own requests of opening debate. I think we have concluded and...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I stand under Standing Order No.1 which gives you discretion. The discretion is subject to the Constitution and the Standing Orders. Standing Order Nos.1 and 50 talks about Motions which may be moved without notice. Standing Order No.50 (a) states that the...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for Sen. Orengo to insinuate that the Mover of this Motion moved it targeting Tharaka-Nithi or a particular region when we know that Tana River County is down there? Secondly, it is important for Sen. Orengo to understand...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I know that Sen. Murkomen is a very good lawyer. However, in geography, he scores very badly. These are neighbouring counties. He may think of Tana in terms of where Hola is. However, he does not know where Tana begins and where it ends. Strictly speaking, these...

Order, Sen. Orengo! I think between you and Sen. Murkomen, in terms of geography, you are in different thinking. Senators, let me make a ruling. First, both sides of the arguments have some merit. As far as I am concerned, the debate has been exhausted. It was time for voting....

Sen. Wakogovernance--- Since this matter, definitely, touches on democratic governance and violation of human rights under the Constitution, we are legitimately concerned and, therefore, must come here for us to express our opinion.Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. December 5, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Wako Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you very...

I think that we need to conclude this matter. If I give two minutes each, those will be ten minutes. So, prioritize your issues.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you very much. This issue is likely to create a crisis in the Government. This is not a small issue. If that Bill and any of the other Bills which are in the pipeline are passed by the National Assembly, personally, as the Senator for Mandera,...

Your time is up!

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will not repeat what has been said. All those who have spoken before me have actually validated why we need to interrogate this Bill. Mr. Speaker, Sir, one of the main reasons and our main mandate, as the Senate, is to ensure the welfare of counties....

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to agree with my colleagues who have contributed on this particular matter with reference to the Media Bill. I do not want to take much time on that, but I think that the bigger question raised by the Senator for Busia is of much importance...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I also take this opportunity to concur with the sentiments of my colleagues, now that we have a myriad of Bills set for debate and conclusion in the National Assembly. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to seek direction if we can...

Asante sana, Bw. Spika. Ningependa kusema kwamba huu ni Mswada muhimu sana kwa Wakenya. Kulingana na mambo yoyote yanayohusu habari, hiki ni kiungo cha kati baina ya mwananchi na viongozi wake. Katiba inasema kwamba katika jambo lolote ambalo linahusu wananchi au kaunti, Seneti itahusishwa wakati wowote ikiwa kutakuwa na Mswada....

Muda wako umeisha!

Asante, Bw. Spika.

Order, Senators! First, I want to say that I share with the earlier contributions and concerns as to how we process the business of the House. I have been persuaded by Sen. Murkomen and other Senators who have spoken, saying that they need a considered ruling. I feel like I...

to the Supreme Court for the Advisory Opinion. That opinion is out there; we have correspondence to the effect that, first, the two Speakers must agree on each and every Bill. Because for the Bill to finally become an Act of Parliament, it will need both Houses, either by debating...

Sen. Wakothat there is no Motion and it dies naturally. You second it, we propose the Question, and then you ask for the adjournment of the debate.(Loud consultations) Order! Sen. Orengo.

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Sen. Wako Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have been thinking about this issue and in particular, from the point of view of how to avoid a situation where the President is put in a situation where if he does something, he takes a certain line of action which is unconstitutional. I...

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Sen. Wako Madam Temporary Chairperson, I would like to inform the Committee that yesterday the Speaker had ordered that they meet and ensure that they

I want to draw your attention to Regulation 3 which talks about the categories of national honours. Regulation 4 talks about the persons on whom national honours may be conferred. So, I find that the proposed further amendment is properly before the House and we can just proceed to interrogate...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I also want to propose an amendment. If you look at Section 3--- The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Wako Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have been thinking about this issue and in particular, from the point of view of how to avoid a situation where the President is put in a situation where if he does something, he takes a certain line of action which is unconstitutional. I...

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Sen. Wako Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, maybe I am not quite clear. My political understanding must be failing, if I do not understand the politics of this House. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, Kenya, including Parliament---

Sen. Wako Sen. Wako, this is a House of rules; until I give you the opportunity to say anything---. Hon. Senators, Sen. G.G. Kariuki is remaining with five minutes and it is important that we do not interrupt his remaining five minutes so that he can complete moving the Motion...

Sen. Wako Now, you know the rules; when you make such a move, you have to look for someone to second you.

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Sen. Wako, that is a good proposal, but we are in the Second Reading. We will deal with that at the Committee Stage.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, in appreciating the drafters of this Bill, I beg to be corrected if my memory serves me wrong. I did not see in the main Bill, whether there was an indication of how many times the boards can meet and what the number of mandatory boards...

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I rise to oppose the insertion of New Clause 4. If you look at the objects of this Bill, it is to provide a forum for consultation between the national Government and the county governments at the county level. My concern is that if we cascade...

that concept of having a board at the county level to give that direction will be lost by creating a huge board in the constituency. So, in my view, really, it does not add value to the process.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, with all due respect, allow me to disagree with my very able colleague, Sen. Billow Kerrow. Our Constitution is based on the theory of participation. Indeed, it even provides for further structures of devolution, even below the ward level. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, it is very...

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I rise to support the inclusion of this New Clause. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, first of all, I would wish to disagree with Sen. Billow Kerrow. There is need to have this forum at the constituency and ward level. However, where it says that the meetings...

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I also stand to support Sen. Kiraitu. I believe that for any county board to hold a meeting, it must have recommendations from the sub-county boards. So, the sub-county again cannot hold meetings when the wards have not made recommendations. This is because the beneficiaries of...

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Sen. Wako Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this very important Motion for development. I want to start by thanking the Mover for Wednesday 20, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Wakocredit to our youth. Here, I am speaking like a father. I really must say shame on...

credit to our youth. Here, I am speaking like a father. I really must say shame on he who, in a public function somewhere in the Rift Valley, doubted the ability of Sen. Sang, purely on matters of marital status. I know these things. (Laughter) (Laughter) Wednesday 20, 2013 SENATE...

balanced their budgets and so on. So, this Bill is timely.After witnessing what took place in Matungu, I was really hurt. I said: Must we really go through this. Must it always be Kiambu or Kakamega, where we get these negative things?” I chose to go and have a bird’s...

On a point of information, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

I do not mind being informed, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to inform Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale about the funeral he has spoken about that took place last weekend. I want to concur with him that it happened last Saturday again in Matungu at the funeral of former Councilor, Leni Baraza. The Deputy...

Order! Order, Sen. Omondi! You will have your time to contribute. The information you have already given is enough.

I just wanted to inform the House, as I concur with Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

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Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Indeed---

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Sen. Wako Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this very important Motion for development. I want to start by thanking the Mover for bringing this Bill, in spite of his age, which I respect. This gives us a moment to give credit to our youth. Here,...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this very important Motion for development. I want to start by thanking the Mover for bringing this Bill, in spite of his age, which I respect. This gives us a moment to give credit to our youth. Here, I am...