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Sen. Obure Mr. Speaker, Sir, I requested for a statement from the Implementation Committee on 19th June on the resolutions of the Senate on the state of affairs in Kenya Airways Limited. Although that Statement is not due yet, it is a matter of national importance. In fact, it is...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I requested for a statement from the Implementation Committee on 19th June on the resolutions of the Senate on the state of affairs in Kenya Airways Limited. Although that Statement is not due yet, it is a matter of national importance. In fact, it is only last...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Last month, I sought three Statements, but none of them has been responded to even after you directed

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Sen. Obureexperience. I am sure they have listened to this debate and they know Senators are disappointed with them. I am also sure that they have realised the important role that a Senator plays. As had been observed earlier by one of the Senators, they will start keeping a good...

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Sen. Obure - THAT, Clause 10 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by

Sen. Obure[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. (Dr.) Machage) in the Chair] - THAT Clause 25 (2) of the Bill be amended in paragraph (c) by deleting the word “national” appearing immediately after the words “tourism in” and substituting therefor the word “public”. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I want to say that...

Sen. Obure Who is seconding? Sen. Karaba seconded. - THAT clause 26 of the Bill be amended at subsection (2) by deleting the words “controller and” appearing immediately after the words “Board shall submit to the”. Clauses 27 - 35 (Question, that Clauses 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33,...

- THATclause 36 of the Bill be amended at sub-clause (2) by deleting the word “national” appearing immediately after the words “declared a” and substituting therefor the word “public”. Clauses 37 and 38 (Question, that Clauses 37and 38 be part of the Bill proposed) Clause 39 Sen. Obure

Sen. Obure If my memory serves me well, Sen. Karaba is one of the seasoned Members of the other side; and the term “sitting tomorrow” just means the next sitting in parliamentary language. Order, Sen. Karaba! I have not allowed you to speak. Next order! - THAT, Clause 43 of...

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Sen. Obure - THAT, Clause 10 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (3) by deleting the words “fifteen days” appearing immediately after the words “application within” and substituting therefor the words “twenty-one days”. This amendment is to harmonise the timelines that are provided in Clause 9 (1) . The...

We shall have Division at the end. July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Obure - THAT, Clause 14 of the Bill be amended in sub clause (1) by deleting paragraph - THAT, Clause 50 (2) of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “Director- General” appearing at the beginning...

- THAT, Clause 51 of the Bill be amended- Sen. Obure

Sen. Obure - THAT the Schedule be amended – - THAT, Clause 62 of the Bill be amended in- Sen. Obure - THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended — - THAT, Clause 63 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by deleting the words “Director-General” appearing at...

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Sen. Obure Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, while we have been conducting our business in committee and in plenary, we have visitors at the Public Gallery. You remember that yesterday we had a number of schools that sat and left before this House recognized them. The tradition of this House has...

Sen. Obure Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. Sen. Karaba seconded - THAT, Clause 77 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (a) - (aa) The land in section...

- THAT, the Third Schedule to the Bill be amended by- July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Obure

- THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by deleting the definition of the word “forest owner” and substituting therefore the new definition- “forest owner” means- Sen. Obure Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No.139, I beg to move that the Committee do report progress on its...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, before we report on the Committee of the Whole, I rise in accordance with Standing Order No. 30 to seek an extension of the July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

will take us about ten minutes for us to finish with the Access to Information Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 36 of 2015) because it is part of the constitutional requirements.It would, therefore, be convenient if we were to do that so that in the afternoon we can go in...

Who is seconding? Sen. Karaba seconded.

Although the provisions of THE FOREST CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 49 OF 2015)

Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Forest Conservation and Management Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 49 of 2015) and seek leave to sit again tomorrow.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. Sen. Karaba seconded (Question put and agreed to)

What is it Sen. Karaba? You always rise on points of order at the wrong time.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am sorry for that mix-up. My point of order is that tomorrow being a Friday, I want to bring it to your attention that it is not a sitting day unless it is ruled otherwise.

If my memory serves me well, Sen. Karaba is one of the seasoned Members of the other side; and the term “sitting tomorrow” just means the next sitting in parliamentary language. Order, Sen. Karaba! I have not allowed you to speak. Next order! July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES IN THE...

- THAT, Clause 3 of the Bill be amended – July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

- THAT, Clause 4 of the Bill be amended by deleting sub clause (3) and substituting therefor the following new sub clause –

- THAT, Clause 5 (1) of the Bill be amended –

- THAT, Clause 6 of the Bill be amended – July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

- THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended by deleting sub clause (2) and substituting therefor the following new sub clauses – July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

- THAT clause 9 of the Bill be amended by deleting sub clause (2) and substituting therefor the following new sub clauses –

- THAT, Clause 10 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (3) by deleting the words “fifteen days” appearing immediately after the words “application within” and substituting therefor the words “twenty-one days”. This amendment is to harmonise the timelines that are provided in Clause 9 (1) . The Temporary Chairperson...

Division will come at the end. Clause 11

- THAT clause 11 (1) of the Bill be amended in paragraph (e) by inserting the words “if any” immediately after the words “the payment”. July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

The Temporary Chairperson (

Division will come at the end. Clauses 12 and 13(Question that Clauses 12 and 13 be part of the Bill, proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Division will come at the end. Clause 14

- THAT, Clause 14 of the Bill be amended in sub clause (1) by deleting paragraph

- THAT clause 16 of the Bill be amended – July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

(Question that Clauses 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22 be part of the Bill, proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

We shall have Division at the end. Clause 23

- THAT, Clause 23 of the Bill be amended in sub clause (8) by deleting the words “relevant private body or” appearing immediately after the words “public entity” and substituting therefor the words “or the relevant”. The amendment is for purposes of clarity. The Temporary Chairperson (

We shall have Division at the end. Clauses 24 and 25 (Question, that Clauses 24 and 25be part of the Bill, proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

We shall have Division at the end. Clause 26

- THAT, Clause 26 of the Bill be amended – July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Clause 28

- THAT, Clause 28 of the Bill be amended in sub clause (7) by deleting the words “under the Public Procurement and Disposal Act or any Act replacing that Act” appearing immediately after the words “with government” and substituting therefor the words “under the laws relating to matters of procurement...

We shall have Division at the end. Clause 29 (Question that Clause 29 be part of the Bill, proposed) Schedule

- THAT the Schedule be amended – July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

- THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended — July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES THE ACCESS TO INFORMATION BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.36 OF 2015)

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that a Committee of the Whole has considered The Access to Information Bill (National Assembly Bill No.36 of 2015) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on...

The Temporary Chairman, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No. 139, I beg to move that the Committee of the Whole report progress on its consideration of the Seeds and Plant Varieties (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.43 of 2015 and seek leave to sit again tomorrow. [The Temporary Speaker (Sen....

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir.

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Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, while we have been conducting our business in committee and in plenary, we have visitors at the Public Gallery. You remember that yesterday we had a number of schools that sat and left before this House recognized them. The tradition of this House has always been...

You know that the Chair is not able to see what happens in the Public Gallery unless so informed by the Serjeant-At- Arms. As far as I am concerned, I have now been made aware by the Hon. Senator that we have visitors in the Public Gallery whose identity I...

Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Seeds and Plant Varieties (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 43 of 2015 and seek leave to sit again tomorrow.

Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. Sen. Karaba seconded July 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION OF TEACHERS AND PUPILS IN THE PUBLIC GALLERY

I have not been given information by the Serjeant-At-Arms but on behalf of the Senate, may I take the opportunity to welcome our visitors at the Public Gallery. I am told they are pupils from a primary school. You are welcome any time to observe what happens in the Senate....

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Sen. Obure Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) (b) to seek a statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Roads and Transportation regarding the Mogonga-Kenyenya-Nyansembe Road in Kisii County. In it, he should state:-

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Sen. Obure Madam Temporary Speaker, the omission of the creation of this Committee by the Senate was a mistake. This is a Committee that has always existed even in the last Parliament. It is a Committee that also exists in the National Assembly. It was an omission that should not...

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Sen. Obure Madam Temporary, Chairperson, pursuant to Standing Order No. 139, I beg to move that the Committee do report progress on its consideration of The Kenya National Examinations Council (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill, (Senate Bill No. 14 Of 2015, and seek leave to sit again tomorrow. The Temporary Chairperson...

With a lot of shuttling up and down, we will still do the next. Order No.9 stands deferred because of the numbers and because we do not have the Chairperson. We move to Order No. 10 which is a Committee of the Whole. THE CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL (AMENDMENT) BILL...

Sen. Obure Your request is granted. We will defer the putting of the Question to tomorrow. The next Order is Order No.13 and I can see the Senate Majority is not in the House. The same applies to Order No.14 because Sen. Lonyangapuo is not also in the House. The...

Thank you, Senator. PROGRESS REPORTED KENYA NATIONAL EXAMINATIONS COUNCIL (AMENDMENT) (NO. 2) BILL (SENATE BILL NO. 14 OF 2015)

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to report progress; that the Committee of the whole has considered The Kenya National Examinations Council (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill, (Senate Bill No. 14 of 2015) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow. The Temporary Chairperson (

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Obure Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said Report. The Temporary Chairperson (

Who is seconding?

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I second. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Chairperson (

Next Order. We are proceeding but on Order No. 11, I see a lot of proposed amendments and the Senate Majority Leader is not in the House. So, I will Order that it be deferred and we move to the next Order No. THE MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS AND DENTISTS (AMENDMENT) BILL...

Hon. Senators, this is resumption of debate. Who was on the Floor? The last person to speak was Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o and I can see from this Statement that he had already concluded his contribution. So, the Floor is open to any further contributions. I am not seeing anybody logging...

You are aware that all Bills must be put to Question but because of the numbers, you should add something on that request. Madam Temporary Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order No.54 (3) , I beg that you defer the putting of the Question to tomorrow.

Your request is granted. We will defer the putting of the Question to tomorrow. The next Order is Order No.13 and I can see the Senate Majority is not in the House. The same applies to Order No.14 because Sen. Lonyangapuo is not also in the House. The same applies...

Senators are not in House and to also adjourn the House.Second Readings THE AGRICULTURE, FISHERIES AND FOOD AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.17 OF 2015) THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILL NO.21 OF 2015) THE BASIC EDUCATION (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.38 OF 2014) ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, I will use my discretion to adjourn the House. Therefore, the House stands adjourned until tomorrow Thursday, 30th June, 2016 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 4.40 p.m.

Sen. Obure Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like some clarification. This is because the road from Eldoret to Kitale which was built by the colonial government is so narrow and its shoulders are worn out. We have heard of so many accidents involving those riding motorbikes. Could the...

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Sen. Oburetogether for a very long time. So, you ask yourself, why are they fighting? These are issues where people could have sat, talked and we, as leaders helped them to resolve the issues.I look at it as a case where maybe, as leaders, we have not helped these people...

Sen. Obure Yes, Sen. Ong’era. Sen. Obure individuals have managed to practice medicine without necessarily being doctors.We know that the title of a doctor is controversial. However, we are looking at that title as used by people in medical practice. This is the only time that you use that title...

almost everything.There are many “Ouma Makadudis”. If you walk along Ngong Road, you will see billboards - some legal and some illegal - that tell you that doctor so and so, can cure impotence, AIDS, anxiety, help you find a job and so on. The list of what that “doctor”...

Hon. Senators, I will now allow Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o to move his Motion of Adjournment. MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER NO.33 ETHNIC CLASHES ALONG THE KISUMU-NANDI BORDER

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, last week as the nation woke up on Monday and as farmers in the area went about their business, one shepherd looking after his cattle was suddenly accosted and his cattle taken by some rustlers who drove from Kisumu County to Nandi County. The shepherd summoned...

Songor, Kopere and Achego was that on the first and the second day of the conflict, the security there were just standing because they were partisan to that invasion from Nandi County into Kisumu County. This means that the security personnel there were part and parcel of this problem and...

lady, who is hardly 26 years old with three children, who had been misplaced from her home. When she went back during the day to check what had happened, she found her whole maize plantation cut down. She came to us crying and told us that she does not know...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Motion for Adjournment to talk about the clashes in the border of Nandi and Kisumu counties. As leaders, we need to ensure that citizens live together in peace regardless of their ethnicity and political affiliations. We should not be seen to...

the problems. If the Nandi community wants the sugar belt, they need to be told that, that land does to belong to them. They need to be told that what they are doing is wrong.

Your time is up. Sen. Sijeny.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this Motion. I wish to thank Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o for bringing this Motion, which gives us an opportunity, as leaders, to brainstorm and see how best we can protect the lives and property of our fellow...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this Motion. It affects my people; my mothers, sisters, brothers and people who actually call me to go and see them and what they are going through. I would like to pick it up from where...

together for a very long time. So, you ask yourself, why are they fighting? These are issues where people could have sat, talked and we, as leaders helped them to resolve the issues.I look at it as a case where maybe, as leaders, we have not helped these people in...

stage, by resolving the initial problem which was an industrial action.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Commission on National Cohesion and Integration is a body that was formed in this country. I regret and feel very sad that this Commission is a disgrace to this country. It has not lived up...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would also like to add my voice to the Motion brought forward by the Senator for Kisumu, Sen. (Prof) Anyang’-Nyong’o because of what is happening at the border between Nandi and Kisumu counties. These two counties have existed for some time, and one would wonder why,...

Turkana, Pokot and many other areas. This is because cattle rustling is not new. It is one of the major conflicts affecting our people in this country.The Jubilee Government should take this matter very seriously and move in with speed to save our people because when children go to stay...

Yes, Sen. Ong’era.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this Motion of adjournment on a matter of national importance. I first want to thank the indefatigable former Secretary General of Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) , Sen. (Prof) Anyang’-Nyong’o, who I am told wants to be...

so that we can have one nation that we are proud of. ADJOURNMENT

Sen. Obure Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not very sure if the request on statement (a) is within the mandate on the Committee on Roads and Transport. However, we will seek clarification on that. In case it is, we will provide a response in two weeks’ time. On the second...

Sen. Obure Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will issue the response in two weeks’ time.

Sen. Obure Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not very sure if the request on statement (a) is within the mandate on the Committee on Roads and Transport. However, we will seek clarification on that. In case it is, we will provide a response in two weeks’ time. On the second...

Sen. Obure Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will issue the response in two weeks’ time.