Kiraitu Murungi

Sen. Murungi Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to request for a Statement from the Government through the Senate Majority Leader on the issue of miraa. Given the fact that miraa, which is also known as khat, is a unique stimulant and a cash crop which plays a crucial...

Sen. Murungi On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Murungi Mr. Speaker, Sir, if you look at the Order Paper, Order No.7 reads “Statements.” You said I was kind-of out of order to raise this matter today, but why is it on the Order Paper? (Laughter)

Sen. Murungi Mr. Speaker, Sir, this matter is urgent and very important to us. But since the Senate Majority Leader wants to bring a comprehensive Statement, we will wait until next week, so that he can consult with the Cabinet Secretaries in charge of these matters.

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Hon. Murungi Thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Motion by my good friend, Hon. Ochieng, because in my constituency, to start with, my predecessor really worked very hard and made sure that we had enough medical facilities like dispensaries. We have more than 10...

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Sen. Murungi Mr. Speaker, Sir, first, I really thank my colleagues for the very good questions. There is a misunderstanding in this country and in many countries in the world on matters of devolution. The word “devolution” in the Constitution does not refer to counties. If you read Article 6...

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Sen. Murungi Chairman of the Committee on Devolved Government.

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Sen. Murungi Chairman of the Committee on Devolved Government.

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Sen. Murungi On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Should the hon. Senator continue misleading Kenyans by saying that we should be seen to have power when we have the power? Could he be advised to stop taking that line because he is misleading the country?

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Sen. Murungi Senator for Wajir; Sen. Abdirahman. (Applause) (Applause) May 22, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. MurungiMadam Temporary Speaker, as much as funding is allocated to counties and even the national Government for functions, if the same bureaucratic red tape continues to persist in this country, we will not be achieving...

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also stand to support this Motion. I want to give a number of comments. I sat through yesterday afternoon and part of this morning listening to a number of hon. Senators contributing to this Motion. Following the footsteps of the very able...

Madam Temporary Speaker, as much as funding is allocated to counties and even the national Government for functions, if the same bureaucratic red tape continues to persist in this country, we will not be achieving much. You remember how much money meant for improvement of roads and rehabilitation of water...

Sen. Murungi On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Should the hon. Senator continue misleading Kenyans by saying that we should be seen to have power when we have the power? Could he be advised to stop taking that line because he is misleading the country?

Sen. Murungi Which Article? May 22, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Murungi I am looking at page 309, the Fourth Schedule, No.31, Energy policy including electricity and gas reticulation and energy regulation. The national Government is supposed to give us the energy policy. But if you look at page 312, No.8...

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Sen. Murungi Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also stand to support this Motion. I want to give a number of comments. I sat through yesterday afternoon and part of this morning listening to a number of hon. Senators contributing to this Motion. Following the footsteps of the...

Sen. Murungi I want to thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is my great pleasure and privilege to second this Motion by my old friend and comrade in the struggle, Sen. James Orengo. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the system of devolution is under serious threat and we, as the Senators, and...

Sen. Murungi On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I do not think that it is in order for us to spend so much time of this House just on semantics and trying to split hairs. Section 7 (2) (e) of the Transition to Devolved Government Act is very...

Sen. Murungi Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are being taken back to the same arguments that we went through today. You have ruled that Standing Order No.178 does not require any interpretation. Therefore, if my learned friend, Sen. Wetangula, has an issue with Sen. Elachi being in that Committee, that is...

On a point of order!

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Sen. MurungiMr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I think the approach we should take is really to move on. What do we do as the Senate to make sure that we correct the historical injustices? What do we do as a Senate to make sure that university education is spread in all...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I come here to second the Motion and the amendment to the Motion on the basis that we all realize that education plays the most critical role in terms of our development agenda. In fact, during the civil rights movement of the United States of America...

called the university as alluded to by some of our colleagues, hon. Senators. I do believe that the university and the middle level colleges will act as fodder for development.If you look at many countries which are developed, there is a certain college in that county or city. So, the...

Order, hon. Senators! I am proceeding under Standing Order No.53 (2) and I want to propose the Question. (Question of the amendment proposed)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me the opportunity to support that amendment. I do support the main Motion of establishing a university in every county. However, if you see the trend in our country in the last five or May 7, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

ten years, there has been a move, I do not know whether it is by the Government or all of us, to actually kill the technical colleges. When you look at what used to be Kenya Polytechnic, it is now a university. What used to be called Mombasa Polytechnic is...

As you are aware, this Motion is supposed to go for three hours, but we have an amendment in place. Again, as you are aware we have to vote on the amendment first before we conclude the main Motion. So, I am constrained by time and I have to put...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is just a question of procedure. Do I understand that we are proceeding to vote on the Motion before the Mover has been called upon to reply?

On the amendment.

Right now we are only dealing with the amendment.

Sen. Murungi On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Murungi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise on a point of order to seek a procedural clarification from you. On the Order Paper, the Motion is indicated in brackets as follows: (Sen.(Dr.) Khalwale) (Department of Education) . During previous sittings of the National Assembly, for a Motion like this one,...

Sen. Murungi Sen. Murungi, you have a point. We expect the Senate Majority Leader to handle business on behalf of Government as earlier intimated-- -

Sen. Murungi Sen. Murungi, I am saying you are right to the extent that the Chair expects the Senate Majority Leader to handle Government business in the House. But it has also been pointed out to me, being specific as Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to the Department of Education, that gives...

Sen. Murungi, you have a point. We expect the Senate Majority Leader to handle business on behalf of Government as earlier intimated-- -

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Sen. Murungi On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Murungi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise on a point of order to seek a procedural clarification from you. On the Order Paper, the Motion is indicated in brackets as follows: (Sen.(Dr.) Khalwale) (Department of Education) . During previous sittings of the National Assembly, for a Motion like this one,...

Sen. Murungi Sen. Murungi, you have a point. We expect the Senate Majority Leader to handle business on behalf of Government as earlier intimated-- -

Sen. Murungi Sen. Murungi, I am saying you are right to the extent that the Chair expects the Senate Majority Leader to handle Government business in the House. But it has also been pointed out to me, being specific as Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to the Department of Education, that gives...

Sen. Murungi, you have a point. We expect the Senate Majority Leader to handle business on behalf of Government as earlier intimated-- -

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Sen. Murungi On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Murungi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise on a point of order to seek a procedural clarification from you. On the Order Paper, the Motion is indicated in brackets as follows: (Sen.(Dr.) Khalwale) (Department of Education) . During previous sittings of the National Assembly, for a Motion like this one,...

Sen. Murungi Sen. Murungi, you have a point. We expect the Senate Majority Leader to handle business on behalf of Government as earlier intimated-- -

Sen. Murungi Sen. Murungi, I am saying you are right to the extent that the Chair expects the Senate Majority Leader to handle Government business in the House. But it has also been pointed out to me, being specific as Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to the Department of Education, that gives...

Sen. Murungi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Motion. I would like to take this opportunity to say a few words about the late Sen. Mutula Kilonzo. We are mourning the passing away of a very highly gifted Kenyan, who had distinguished himself as an eloquent and fearless...

Sen. Murungi Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

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Sen. Murungi Hon. Senators, there being no other business, the Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 30th April, 2013 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 5.55 p.m. April 25, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Murungi Somalia pursuing Al Shabaab. I think it is appropriate that he serves in this Committee of...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I concur, first of all, with my colleague--- (There was a technical hitch) (Sen. Kagwe walked to the Dispatch Box) Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, clearly, we need technology advisers in the Senate. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support the list as per the Order Paper. I...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in addition to that, even as I look at the list of the proposed Committees, I would also urge that once the Committees begin to work, as per the Standing Orders, some of them can also be split and new ones formed. For example, there is...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also rise to support this Motion. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree with my colleagues that some of the Standing Committees that we have listed here – they are seven in number – are so huge that if we leave them the way they are,...

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this chance to contribute to this Motion. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as has been said by other Senators, it is important to note that most of these Members who form the Committees are known to have belonged to those...

higher education, technological colleges, polytechnics and the like. I think that it would even be better to split it further into three departments.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I note that there is some bias in some Committees. Maybe the experience is there, but I also note that there are some names...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand to support the Motion and agree with a number of comments made by my fellow Senators. It is important that these Committees are fully constituted and I hope that we will move quite fast in getting the leadership of these Committees so that we...

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I also wish to support the list and congratulate the Rules and Business Committee for looking at the capacities of all the Senators who are here and what they can offer to the Committees. I am glad that I am one of...

Treasury, which I think worries many Senators here, in that, they might not be able to comply with the suggestions we make here in the House. We should look at the possibility of establishing a committee of Senate at the county level to be able to counter some of those...

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council, it is him who decides to advise the Minister either to sign it or not. We encouraged corruption because even the chairmen of county councils were very keen to have certain projects accepted and if that did not happen, it created an avenue for corruption. We have to be...

Yes, the Senator standing!

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am Senator Hargura Godana from Marsabit County. I would like to support this Motion. My observations, as others have said, are that as we plan to oversight on the County Governments, the Committees we have should be tailored to concentrate on their functions which should...

Order, hon. Senators! Does the Deputy Leader of Majority wish to reply?

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. First of all, I would like to thank all the Members. Indeed, these are Committees that will operationalise this House in terms of functioning. I believe that as they go into Committees, they will work as one and to move the agenda of the...

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.69, I rule that this is an open Motion and not a matter affecting counties. Therefore, each Senator has one vote. (Question put and agreed to) ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, there being no other business, the Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 30th April, 2013 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 5.55 p.m.

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