Gideon Moi

Sen. Moi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House today, Wednesday, 23rd October, 2013. The Report of the Standing Committee on Energy, Roads and Transportation on the visit to the Republic of South Korea on nuclear energy co-operation, from 15th to...

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Sen. Moi I know that, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Moi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, the Senate adopts the Report of the Standing Committee on Energy, Roads and Transportation on the visit to the Republic of South Korea, on nuclear energy co-operation, from 15th to 23rd June, 2013, laid on...

Sen. Moi Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, like those who have spoken before me, I would also like to send my heartfelt condolences to the families of those who lost their lives and those who are still in the hospital with injuries. The matter we are discussing now brings to my...

Sen. Moi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to give a Ministerial Statement from the Committee on Energy, Roads and Transportation on questions asked by Sen. Mike Sonko Mbuvi as follows:-

Sen. Moiquestion. Moreover, some of the affected persons have gone to court and, therefore, we should await the court rulings. September 19, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Moi question. Moreover, some of the affected persons have gone to court and, therefore, we should await the court rulings.

Sen. Moi, do you have another Statement to issue? Sen. Moi Yes, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Go ahead. Sen. Moi Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The Statement was requested by Sen. Daniel---

Sorry, Sen. Moi. Is the Statement related to the one you have just given or it is a different one? Sen. Moi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it is a different one.

Hon. Senators, if there are any follow up comments to be made on the first Statement, I will ask Sen. Moi to take his seat so that we hear such comments. Sen. (Dr.) Kuti.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I know some of the people affected by these demolitions. I am fully aware that some of them had genuinely issued titles given by the Government of Kenya. My worry is, how was it that a Kenyan citizen, who may have worked very hard and put...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the matter of demolitions of houses in Nairobi is of great concern. However, the one who sought the Statement is not in the House. It is appropriate if this matter is adjourned to a time when he is in the House. The Senate Minority Leader (

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Sen. Moi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my brother, Sen. Karaba, has talked about cowboy contractors. He is very lucky that he has some in his county. There are some counties who do not even have any of those cowboy contractors. I have talked with my colleague, Sen. Karaba and I...

Sen. Moion our roads. I think these are contractors who are given construction work although they are not seriously involved in road construction. We have internationally recognized road constructions companies like Isaco Road Construction Company and TMC Road Construction Company. These contractors are known. They are internationally recognized. So, when...

I have to make a ruling as to whether you were in order to refer to “cowboy” contractors. However, before I do that, Sen. Karaba, I would like to jog your brains on that issue. You were the originator of the terminology “cowboy” contractors.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this is not a new terminology. It was coined long before the Ninth Parliament. When I was there, we used to use it. During the Tenth Parliament, it was also used to describe the shoddy work that was being done September 19, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

on our roads. I think these are contractors who are given construction work although they are not seriously involved in road construction. We have internationally recognized road constructions companies like Isaco Road Construction Company and TMC Road Construction Company. These contractors are known. They are internationally recognized. So, when you...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, protect me. That is my stand.

What Sen. Moi meant by saying that some counties are lucky to have county contractors is something that he does not need to substantiate. It is correct that some counties would even wish to have someone moving some soil from one place to another. The point we should be discussing...

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Sen. Moi Hon. Senators, we have to bring that issue to a close, as far as the point of order is concerned. Sen. Gideon Moi, as far as I heard, you quoted a report of the CRA that says that Baringo County is ranked No.16 among the marginalized counties. So,...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for the distinguished Senator for Baringo to tell this country that his county is marginalized when we know that “Baringo County” was in power in this county for 24 years? Baringo County has many tarmac roads and...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is the Senator who was on a point of order in order to insinuate that Baringo is Moi, the former President, and the former President is Baringo? There is no relationship between the development of Baringo County and who has been...

Sen. Moi On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

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Sen. Moi Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I actually want to give a status report on a Statement that was requested by Sen. Daisy Kanainza regarding the Uwezo Fund. I also want to seek the indulgence of the House to give us more time because we have already made...

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Sen. Moi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to give a Ministerial Statement from the Committee on Energy, Roads and Transportation on questions asked by Sen. Mike Sonko Mbuvi as follows:-

Sen. Moiquestion. Moreover, some of the affected persons have gone to court and, therefore, we should await the court rulings. September 19, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Moi question. Moreover, some of the affected persons have gone to court and, therefore, we should await the court rulings.

Sen. Moi, do you have another Statement to issue? Sen. Moi Yes, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Go ahead. Sen. Moi Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The Statement was requested by Sen. Daniel---

Sorry, Sen. Moi. Is the Statement related to the one you have just given or it is a different one? Sen. Moi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it is a different one.

Hon. Senators, if there are any follow up comments to be made on the first Statement, I will ask Sen. Moi to take his seat so that we hear such comments. Sen. (Dr.) Kuti.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I know some of the people affected by these demolitions. I am fully aware that some of them had genuinely issued titles given by the Government of Kenya. My worry is, how was it that a Kenyan citizen, who may have worked very hard and put...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the matter of demolitions of houses in Nairobi is of great concern. However, the one who sought the Statement is not in the House. It is appropriate if this matter is adjourned to a time when he is in the House. The Senate Minority Leader (

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Sen. Moi

Sen. Moi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my brother, Sen. Karaba, has talked about cowboy contractors. He is very lucky that he has some in his county. There are some counties who do not even have any of those cowboy contractors. I have talked with my colleague, Sen. Karaba and I...

Sen. Moion our roads. I think these are contractors who are given construction work although they are not seriously involved in road construction. We have internationally recognized road constructions companies like Isaco Road Construction Company and TMC Road Construction Company. These contractors are known. They are internationally recognized. So, when...

I have to make a ruling as to whether you were in order to refer to “cowboy” contractors. However, before I do that, Sen. Karaba, I would like to jog your brains on that issue. You were the originator of the terminology “cowboy” contractors.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this is not a new terminology. It was coined long before the Ninth Parliament. When I was there, we used to use it. During the Tenth Parliament, it was also used to describe the shoddy work that was being done September 19, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

on our roads. I think these are contractors who are given construction work although they are not seriously involved in road construction. We have internationally recognized road constructions companies like Isaco Road Construction Company and TMC Road Construction Company. These contractors are known. They are internationally recognized. So, when you...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, protect me. That is my stand.

What Sen. Moi meant by saying that some counties are lucky to have county contractors is something that he does not need to substantiate. It is correct that some counties would even wish to have someone moving some soil from one place to another. The point we should be discussing...

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Sen. Moi Hon. Senators, we have to bring that issue to a close, as far as the point of order is concerned. Sen. Gideon Moi, as far as I heard, you quoted a report of the CRA that says that Baringo County is ranked No.16 among the marginalized counties. So,...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for the distinguished Senator for Baringo to tell this country that his county is marginalized when we know that “Baringo County” was in power in this county for 24 years? Baringo County has many tarmac roads and...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is the Senator who was on a point of order in order to insinuate that Baringo is Moi, the former President, and the former President is Baringo? There is no relationship between the development of Baringo County and who has been...

Sen. Moi On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Moi

Sen. Moi Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I actually want to give a status report on a Statement that was requested by Sen. Daisy Kanainza regarding the Uwezo Fund. I also want to seek the indulgence of the House to give us more time because we have already made...

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Sen. Moithem to account because that is a role that a true opposition should serve. I also encourage Members of the opposite party who belong to the ruling party, as it were, that Parliament is now distinct. You are not helping the Government of the day by agreeing with it...

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Sen. Moi Order, Members! Before we proceed to the next business, subject to the provisions of Standing Order 39 (2) , I wish to direct that instead of taking Motion No.9, we take Motion No.10 first and then we conclude with Motion No.9. I also have one more communication to...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Pursuant to our Standing Order No.35, I would wish to get your guidance on whether we have a quorum for proceedings to go on. (The Clerks-at-the-Table counted the Senators)