Sammy Leshore

Sen. Leshore Last week?

Sen. Leshore On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Leshore Your chair will not be here until after two weeks. He has gone to his constituency.

Sen. Leshore Last week?

Sen. Leshore On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Leshore Your chair will not be here until after two weeks. He has gone to his constituency.

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Sen. Leshore No! (Applause)

No! Sen. Leshore Even in Samburu, we do not also have any medicine. Therefore, that is one request I would like to make to the Committee. The other recommendation, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, is that they should also have come out saying that, at least, every district or county hospital...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to support this Report and seek direction from the Chair. The Report talks about level five and level four hospitals. October 17, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

The Report says that level five hospitals in this country are only two; namely, the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) and the Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital.My belief, as I serve Machakos County, and going by the notes I have received from the Machakos District Hospital, this is also a level...

Order, Sen. Muthama. Sen. (Dr.) Kuti, your Motion reads in part; “visit to level five hospitals in Uasin Gishu, Elgeyo Marakwet and Nandi counties.” Is that a mistake? The Report also reads in part; “level four and five hospitals.” Is there a mistake on your Motion? Your Motion talks about...

I think there was an error.

That needs to be corrected.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, just to guide the Chair, he talks about four hospitals in Uasin Gishu. The Report addresses Uasin Gishu, Trans Nzoia and Elgeyo Marakwet. The Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital is located in one of those counties. Nevertheless, you have put the record straight and the Chair...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I believe that there is confusion or probably the Act still reads what was there previously. We now have six levels. Level one is on community health. Level two refers to dispensaries. Level three refers to health centres while level four...

Sen. Mugo, before you came in, Sen. Kajwang had sought to be educated on what these levels mean. The Chairman, Sen. Kuti, talked about five levels starting with level one being health centres. Now you have taken us to community centres.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, community health is now regarded as level one. When we deliver services there, we regard it as level one. In the system and according to Vision 2030, there are six levels in the health sector.

Mr. Chairman, you need to consult, confer and to get it right.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Machakos District General Hospital, as I said, is referred to as a level five hospital, at least, according to the letters I get. I seek to that clarification. Sen. Kajwang asked a question and the answer he got does not go down well with what...

increment of salaries. There is a still a question mark on whether they are willing to work with comfort.The other issue that the Chair needs to look at is the counterfeit drugs that are passing through our hospitals. This has been an issue in this country. It has been addressed...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am grateful to the Chairman for having explained what the levels are all about. I was asking about them because whenever they refer to the Kisii General Hospital, they regard it as a level five. Although it has improved, it is not quite the provincial...

doctor who is my age mate. He is a friend, a gynecologist, a very well trained one. When he is at the hospital, he acts as a general surgeon because there is no one else there. So, when there is an accident, he has to be the one to deal...

If we really handle people in the village, we would save a big budget which we would not even know what to do with because most of the amounts of money we spent on medicine to deal with these issues are huge. That is why our health budget is so...

On a point of information Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I appreciate the contribution by Sen. Kajwang which is to the point but I would like to inform my colleague that according to the new Constitution which is in force now, all level 4 hospitals and below are now the responsibility...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I raised that issue because it is good to devolve but some people are far below others. It is a fact that if you went to some hospitals in some parts of the country which we now call level 4, for lack of a better word because...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to urge the Chairman that this is his baby and he must take it up with the Government and make serious recommendations about training for specialized people and also bringing up these hospitals in terms of capacity and equipment to a certain level before...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this chance. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, first, I want to commend the Committee for making the decision to visit the counties. This is the only way that we can know the problems facing the public. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I only...

there are those people who never access health facilities because of poor infrastructure. Such people give birth at home and, therefore, it would be better if we can have a policy to train the traditional birth attendants. This way, we shall reduce the number of people who are affected.Mr. Deputy...

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to also contribute in support of this Motion that has been tabled by my friend, colleague and student, Sen. Kuti. This tells us that my work as a teacher was good and I produced very wonderful people like Sen....

[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kembi-Gitura) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Ongoro) took the Chair]

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Is my former teacher, the distinguished Senator for Kirinyaga, in order to state that there are no dispensaries in North Eastern? While we may not have Level Four and Level Five hospitals, this country has elaborate referral systems, especially at the lower...

Continue, Sen. Karaba!

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going to have a vicious cycle of people dying every other time because of that shortage of personnel and equipment such as ambulances.For example, if somebody is to be transferred from Maralal to the nearest town, which is Nyahururu, that person will die before getting there, because of the terrain,...

will even move out with different diseases than the one that he or she was being treated for.So, in that case, Madam Temporary Speaker, our hospitals must have some basics things that qualify them to be called hospitals. For instance, is there running water? Is the water treated? Is there...

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Sen. Leshore Do you want to be informed?

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was coming to that. The SRC is only targeting politicians; people who have been elected from the grassroots level to work as Senators and hon. Members. You have not even earned your responsibility allowance because of her. Or have you?

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am the Chairman of the committee that takes care of the welfare of Members of Parliament. For the last two months, we have been seeking to have an appointment with the SRC. I do not want not to mention my sister Sarah Serem....

No, we have not! Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am the Chairman of the committee that takes care of the welfare of Members of Parliament. For the last two months, we have been seeking to have an appointment with the SRC. I do not want not to mention...

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this kind of a Motion, but also engage one of the committee of the Senate which will pick up this matter and follow it to the logical conclusion.It is very important because most of the MCAs are learned people. In my county, for example, I have an MCA who has...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I stand to support this Motion and say that we are actually staring at a crisis which has the potential to derail devolution. This is a crisis which could shutter the dreams of Kenyans and their aspirations. The questions people are raising out there is whether...

aspirations. The MCAs are mandated in particular to oversight the executive and ensure that there are adequate checks and balances at that level. They also scrutinize and interrogate the budget. They also interrogate plans of the county assemblies and make sure that they are within acceptable limits. They also co-ordinate...

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the verge of discussing a substantive Motion by Sen. Harold Kipchumba who has since then ceased to be a Member of this Senate. So, by and large, we are really in support. This is because we are all tied up like an umbilical cord, from the county assembly, county governments...

Sen. Leshorehave asked; what did the Tenth Parliament have in mind when they created the SRC? Did they create the SRC to kill devolution or to oversee other constitutional commissions? October 15, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Leshore Do you want to be informed?

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was coming to that. The SRC is only targeting politicians; people who have been elected from the grassroots level to work as Senators and hon. Members. You have not even earned your responsibility allowance because of her. Or have you?

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am the Chairman of the committee that takes care of the welfare of Members of Parliament. For the last two months, we have been seeking to have an appointment with the SRC. I do not want not to mention my sister Sarah Serem....

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Sen. Leshore On a point of information, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, yesterday a police vehicle was arrested carrying 30 bags of bhang. I saw it on television. So, sometimes we have to rely on television and radio to gives us more information about what is happening in our country.

Sen. Leshore Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this very important and timely Motion. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, from the outset, I would want to urge my good friend, Sen. Karaba, that he should separate the cable cars and trams....

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have not tabled it.

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, shall I proceed?

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we had given the report to the Office of the Clerk.

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have not tabled it.

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is just a notice of Motion.

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have not tabled the report.

Sen. Leshore Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will do so tomorrow morning.

Sen. Leshore That is okay, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Leshore Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this very important Motion. From the outset, I would like to urge my fellow Senators to support this Motion. Those of us who were in the Eight Parliament knew very well that the national...

Sen. Leshore On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. (Loud consultations)

Order, Senators! September 24, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Leshore

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

What is your point of order? Have you dropped your point of order?

I have dropped it.

Okay. Sustained! Sen. Leshore Madam Temporary Speaker, we must start educating our people to be vigilant. We should be as vigilant as Tanzanians. When you go to Tanzania, even in the village, the authorities will know you are there. I have been in Switzerland and it is also like that....

Sen. Mvita Mshenga.

Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for giving me this chance. The flag represents a living organ and a living country. It is also called a living thing. In this country, we normally regard the flag as a living thing. You have seen the number of lives which have been lost....

flag will also fly half mast for ten days. Could we fly our flags half mast when we have such a tragedy?

Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Motion of Adjournment this afternoon. I want to join my colleagues in sending my heartfelt condolences to those bereaved families and pray for the quick recovery to those who are in various hospitals in Nairobi. I...

Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity to contribute and to support the Motion in the following manner. I wish to join fellow Kenyans and, indeed, the entire world in mourning the people who lost their lives at the Westgate incident which was very tragic. When I...

worst thing is that when I watched television and saw the Kenya Police officers and the General Service Officers (GSU), I could identify the people I knew. So, I asked myself whether I will ever see them alive again. It is, indeed, sad that some of them have lost their...

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to contribute and pass my sympathies to all those people who were affected by the brutal actions meted out by terrorists on Saturday, Sunday and yesterday. We are not sure whether they are there or not. We are yet to...

who visit public buildings. We also need to be very thorough when it comes to the chiefs and sub chiefs.I read somewhere about what was happening and it seems as if these people had met earlier in Mombasa. I am not trying to castigate anybody, but it is said that...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I take this opportunity to pass my heartfelt condolences to the people who were affected both by those who died and those who are in hospital, the majority who were traumatized and the people of Kenya, in general. I want to say; pole sana. Madam...

KDF is doing and getting a lot of trust among our people that the KPS is not doing? I got worried when I saw a police officer with a gun running around in a raincoat. What can we, as Kenyans and as a community, do to improve on our own...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me a chance to say the following. On behalf of myself, my family and the people of Homa Bay County, I extend my deepest sympathies to those who lost their lives, limbs and those who are traumatized by this heinous crime that was...

Sen. Leshore Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I would like to thank Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo who comes from an area where police reservists or the home guards are doing a marvelous job to protect Kenyan citizens. The Baragoi incident is still very fresh in our minds, where we lost more...

Sen. Leshore Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I would like to thank Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo who comes from an area where police reservists or the home guards are doing a marvelous job to protect Kenyan citizens. The Baragoi incident is still very fresh in our minds, where we lost more...

Sen. Leshore Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I would like to thank Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo who comes from an area where police reservists or the home guards are doing a marvelous job to protect Kenyan citizens. The Baragoi incident is still very fresh in our minds, where we lost more...

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