Wilfred Rottich Lesan

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I congratulate the students and the staff from Moi University who have visited the Senate. Many universities have been established in this country but, unfortunately, none of them is known for any specialization. We would like to have institutions that excel in something....

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not think that I am misleading the nation, because this is factual. I come from the background of the university. I have been an administrator in the university and know that the more you have focused on a particular issue, you...

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Let me just mention that the students themselves are the ones who help the universities to become focused. For example, sometimes you want to go to a certain university because they are excellent and they have the best professors wherever they...

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan No, it is not me to give the Statement. I am the one requesting for the Statement. I know. Has the response been given to you? Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have not received any Statement and I was only going to ask that...

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Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Your time is up. Sen. Billow!

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan I know, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the purpose of this Bill is to amend the Public Appointment (Parliamentary Approval) Act, 2011 so as to provide for the procedure for Parliamentary approval of constitutional statutory appointees where the approval of both Houses is required. It is important to note that...

There are issues that Sen. (Prof.) Lesan proposes to move an amendment on. Otherwise, with no other interest, I would have called on the Mover to reply. In the rules of the House, I am not supposed to listen to your suggestion that you are thinking of moving an amendment....

Sen. (Prof.) Lesanjust today. Tomorrow, we shall have a different challenge within the same sector and we will need this statutory law to support us in ensuring – whether it is the IG or the Deputy IG or any other person – if it is the vetting that is supposed...

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Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I want to start by congratulating my colleague, Sen. Adan, for introducing this crucial Bill and amendment. Throughout this term, we have suffered from ego and not an issue of the letter of the constitution or the spirit. That is what...

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to ride on Sen. Orengo’s question about the Integrated Financial Management Information System (IFMIS) and the Internet Banking (IB) System. This problem has arisen in many counties, including Nyeri County. These are information systems that can be synchronized. Is it possible for...

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Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Order, Senators! That is why he is seeking clarification. Proceed Sen. (Prof.) Lesan. (Loud consultations)

Order, Senators! That is why he is seeking clarification. Proceed Sen. (Prof.) Lesan. Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Speaker, Sir, that was my understanding. However, I stand guided if I misunderstood it. We do know that we will be faced with a lot of information. There September 8th, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. Once again, your ruling and guidance is very clear on what ought to be done. I support your ruling. We must remind ourselves that we are now sitting as a quasi-judicial body. Therefore, as we follow the rules of the House as you have guided,...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is wisdom in a deliberative session. There are some matters that are legal and others evidential. It is fair that Senators do not rise on matters that are legal and speak to things that may cause problems. Maybe the Communication should have been that we will...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for the direction that you have given. What I heard is that an opportunity will be given to the county assembly to argue its case and also the governor to defend himself. What I did not hear is whether there will be an opportunity for...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support and compliment you for coming up with a clear direction on how to proceed on this. None of us was under the illusion that it was going to be an easy process. I want to comment on the beginning and the end of it, more...

We should confine ourselves to the clarifications being sought. Sen. Obure.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for the useful guidance. The Sitting we will have next week should be a normal Senate Sitting, except that it is quasi-judicial. I am not sure whether we should put on the gloomy faces on that occasion, as suggested by Sen. Wako. I do...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also thank you for the direction. Indeed, it will be an opportunity to understand a plenary process. As an institution we need to be very careful, so that we deal with the matter with decorum. After reading the allegations, the clerks should guide us through questioning....

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am grateful for the guidance that you have given to the House. However, there are two issues that I would like to seek further clarification on. Normally, when courts go into conference and eventually pronounce themselves on an issue by way of a verdict and the...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join my colleagues in thanking you for giving the clear guidance and direction on how we will move on this matter. There have been speculations on social media and some people were already thinking that you gave a judgment. Some people did not hear what you...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is the first time that the Senate is dealing with such an issue in the plenary. Let me liken what will be taking place here from Tuesday with the Select Committee that just concluded its work on matters to do with the IEBC and elections. Normally,...

Finally, Sen. Kagwe.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for such an informed ruling. However, we have grown to expect from you no less than rulings that will be referred to in the future. For me, there are only two things. First, I think it is important for us to understand the difference in...

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Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Hon. Senators, I am deferring all other orders to the next sitting which will be on 13th September, 2016.

That is an important concern. Actually, the report was tabled today. Although the Motion is listed on the Order Paper, there was a request from the Movers - two Members would have moved this Motion today – to the Chair that it is deferred to another day, so that Members...

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No.139, I beg to move that the Committee do report progress on its consideration of The Reproductive Health Care Bill (Senate Bill No17 of 2014) and seek leave to sit again tomorrow. Disclaimer: [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mositet) in the Chair]

Order, Sen. Murkomen. Sen. PROGRESS REPORTED THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.17 OF 2014)

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to report progress that the Committee of the Whole has considered The Reproductive Health Care Bill (Senate Bill No.17 of 2014) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said Report. Sen. Khalwale seconded. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to)

Hon. Senators, I am deferring all other orders to the next sitting which will be on 13th September, 2016. THE CONSTITUTION OF KENYA (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 16 OF 2015) Disclaimer: COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE COUNTY OUTDOOR ADVERTISING CONTROL BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 11 OF 2015) THE EMPLOYMENT...

Hon. Senators, there being no other business, the Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 13th September, 2016 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 4.35 p.m.

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to give the Statement requested by the Senator. I am a Member of the Committee on Health and I am issuing this Statement on behalf of my Chair who is not in the House. This Statement was directed to the Senate Standing...

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Sen. (Prof.) Lesan On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Now that it is clear that there has been no headway for a long time on this matter and especially on many questions to the Committee on Health, is the Chairperson in order to mislead the House? In spite...

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Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Speaker Sir, indeed, I was at the Dispatch Box area in the House, but I did not cross the Floor of the House. I am glad that you have mentioned that you did not see me do so.

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Speaker, Sir, I actually went to the Dispatch Box area. Unfortunately, as my colleague was resuming his seat, he thought I obstructed his direct view of the Chair. I do apologize for not showing respect to the Chair.

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Speaker, Sir, indeed, as I said, I actually crossed the Floor. However, I did not realise that I had entirely crossed the Floor. Indeed, I crossed and that is why I am apologizing.

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I made a request for a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Services regarding the industrial strike that was going on within the County of Bomet among the tea workers. It was due last week on...

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Speaker, Sir, it was not issued on Thursday. However, I did not press for it.

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Much obliged.

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan Mr. Speaker, Sir, I confess to this House that I might not be able to give most of the information and clarifications sought. It is outside what was initially requested by Sen. Wetangula. I need to go back to the Ministry and confirm what position they are...

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I confess to this House that I might not be able to give most of the information and clarifications sought. It is outside what was initially requested by Sen. Wetangula. I need to go back to the Ministry and confirm what position they are taking especially on...

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