Mohammed Abdi Kuti

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Order, Sen. Sonko!

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Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Thank you Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I also rise to support the Motion. First, I want to— [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. (Dr.) Machage left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Murkomen) took the Chair]

Thank you Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I also rise to support the Motion. First, I want to—

Sorry Sen. Lesan. I am sorry for interrupting you. Considering that we had agreed that the reply would be given at

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to congratulate my colleagues who have passionately made contributions to the President’s Speech. We have learnt quite a lot from the contributions they have made. First of all, I would like to commend and compliment the President for the Speech he...

boundaries in pursuit of criminals.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I also wish to make a comment as to what the President said about coordination of institutions currently operating in the country. It is only one year since we launched the new Constitution and, of course, we need to appreciate that certain...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for the Senator for Bomet to try and read verbatim and say “police force” and yet, we know that the word “force” is not used in the Constitution?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it is the NPS. In my understanding, probably, in terms of the powers given to any of those bodies it does not really change much if it is either police force or police service.

Continue, Sen. Lesan!

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, that is a lesson to me and, probably, I have to look at that. I thought that it was English, but I have issues. I do not know whether that is, probably, what is causing a problem and the challenges that we have with the two...

Order! Your time is up!

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to support. Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. In these five minutes, I would to support this Motion. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, in the last one year, although my colleagues from the other side of the House have said that it...

Order! Senate Majority Leader, you must have understood the rules of the House.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have realized my mistake and I am willing to do the necessary.

You have to do the necessary.

Much obliged, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki walked to the Bar and bowed to the Chair)

Continue, Sen. Kuti! Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I was saying that even in a sector like health which has been very difficult and there is a lot of discomfort and the professionals are up to now not satisfied, the Jubilee Government has taken a very bold step...

Your time is up! Sen. ole Ndiema!

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to the Speech. I do not doubt that the President meant well. What we are not sure about is whether those who are in the Government have resolved to ensure that what is in the Constitution; the...

also handle---

Your time is up! Sen. Leshore!

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this chance to contribute to this Motion. The President articulately told us what he has done for the past one year. To be honest, if I asked my good colleague Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o what he has done for his county for...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for my dear friend, Sen. Leshore, while challenging me, to impute improper intentions and motives that I have not been active in my county? I demand an apology.

Sen. Leshore, you should apologize because his performance and his rating is based on what he does in this House on behalf of the people of Kisumu and the whole country.

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I apologize.

And withdraw!

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I withdraw. I would like to plead with him that whenever he goes to the United States (US) like the last time when he was there for one month, he should tell his cousin to take Kenya as part of his fatherland and not to...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Could Sen. Leshore clarify who Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o’s cousin is?

I do not think it needs clarification. It is a matter of public notoriety.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. It is public knowledge that the President of the United States is a cousin to some of us, particularly the Nilotic tribes of East Africa. Our President and the Deputy President are undergoing a lot of pressure from the International Criminal Court (ICC) and...

and yet we have a friendly country neighbouring us to the south west.I support.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I was wondering whether I can donate a minute to Sen. Wamatangi, who is interested in the debate; and then I will spend three to four minutes replying.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion. The best judgement that we can place on this Government is to answer to the question of whether we can adjudge that the past one year has been a year that this Government has demonstrated that it genuinely wants to...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I want to take this opportunity to thank this House. This Speech and the discussions that have followed the Presidential Speech together with the report to the two Houses of Parliament is a demonstration that the new Constitution demands accountability of all public officers...

purposes.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, accordingly, with those remarks, I beg to move.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. For record purposes, in his reply, the Senate Majority Leader has made reference to a point made by Sen. Musila. What Sen. Musila requested was that Cabinet Secretaries respond to requests and communication from Senators and not necessarily the Senate.

Sen. (Dr.) Kutiperiod for the Senate to critically examine its performance as well as to review and reflect on its first year of existence as it gears itself for the second year. It is a time to appraise our strengths and weaknesses as the guardian angel of devolution as set...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to also support this Motion. First, I want to congratulate my Chairperson, Sen. Karaba, who is the Mover of this Motion for his election as the Chairman of the Committee on Education. I wish to support March 26, 2014 SENATE DEBATES...

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Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I would like to join my colleagues to congratulate Sen. Karaba, who is a distinguished educationist and happens to have been my teacher at Kangaru High School. (Applause) March 25, 2014 SENATE DEBATES Sen. (Dr.) Kutihealthy...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to thank God for giving you the eyes to catch me. I want to say that the whole country needs to stop for a while; from the Head of State, security organs, political and religious leadership and so on, and focus...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to support.

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this Government is interestingly becoming one of national dialogue all the time. About the pay cuts, they were talking about a salary dialogue. For every small item, they call for dialogue. Security matters are very sensitive and you do not have to tell...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to start with the final question which has been raised by the Senator for Isiolo County. Yes, the Government is aware of the grave problem that our nation is facing especially with regard to radicalization of our young people. We are witnesses of what...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Sorry about that, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. You look alike. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this increasing number of elderly people needs to be planned for. We need to plan now and make sure that they are kept within organized community structures. The major problem that most of...

Order, Sen. Kuti! I was not the Mover of the Motion. The Mover of the Motion was Sen. Lesan. Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Sorry about that, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. You look alike. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this increasing number of elderly people needs to be planned for. We need to...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, since this amendment seems to have the support of House, it is my kind request that the question be put and we go to the main Motion.

Is that the feeling of the House?

Yes! (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question of the Motion as amended proposed)

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity to say a few words regarding this Motion. I actually support it and wish to commend the Mover for having remembered something in our society which can easily be forgotten. It is very easy to forget the old people....

something about it.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, part of the problem that we are seeing now and what gives rise to the need or concern of the Mover and many of us, is the breakdown in the family structure. In the so-called olden days, the African family was always an extended...

identifying who is unwell and therefore you give more money, you should have a way of them having a card that they can use when they go to the hospital. This will help them to get medical assistance for free.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there is also the issue of persons...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order?

My point of order is that, with all due respect, is the well experienced Sen. (Eng.) Muriuki in order to mislead this House by saying that if you have your national identity card whose purpose is to identify you as a Kenyan, what he is saying is that if you...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to request the hon. Senator to listen because I will repeat. All I am saying is that if Sen. Muthama lives in Nairobi now but his identity card does not read Nairobi - I challenge him to come here and show me - Chances...

Order, Senator. Your time is up.

Bw. Spika wa Muda, nasimama kuchangia Hoja hii tukitumaini kwamba yale ambayo tunazungumza hapa yataweza kusaidia taifa nzima. Bw. Spika wa Muda, watu ambao tunazungumzia hapa tunawaita wazee. Lugha ambayo inatoka hapa ni kwamba ni watu ambao yafaa wasaidiwe. Kwa hali ya haki na mbele ya Mwenyezi Mungu, hao sio...

Shirika la NSSF leo limebadilisha kazi ambayo linastahili kufanya na imekuwa ni kama ng’ombe wa kukamua maziwa na kuwanyima wanaostahili na kuwapa wale ambao hawastahili. Ukiangalia hivi leo ni dhahiri kwamba pesa ambazo zimewekwa, kiasi kikubwa kimeingia katika mifuko ya walafi ambao hawana huruma kabisa kwa wanaotozwa ushuru.Bw. Spika wa...

hatasikia. Risasi zitatupwa na watu watapigwa lakini maskini atasimama na umaskini wake na kusema kwamba anatetea haki yake. Masikini ataendelea kuishi na umaskini wake na kutetea haki zao. Ikiwa kuna haki ambazo hazipatikani, atasimama na kuzitetea.Watoto wetu ambao wamesoma lakini wamekosa kazi ni wengi sana. Hata hivyo, kuna Kshs430,000,000 zinazopotea...

Muda wako umekiwsha!

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I stand to support this Motion and to thank Prof. Lesan for bringing this idea and Sen. Khaniri for enriching it. The people we are talking about; the elderly, are the ones who looked after us. We are talking about Kenyans who built this...

not getting enough pension, our youth today, even those working in blue chip companies like Safaricom, KCB and all banks--- There used to be a policy where if one worked for a number of months, they were required to be permanent and pensionable. Something has come up where our youth,...

Bwana Spika wa Muda, ningependa kuunga mkono Hoja hii. Mimi kama mkaaji wa Kilifi, Hoja hii inanihusu sana. Hawa wazee, hawafai kujengewa makao. Wazazi wetu ndio wanaofanya twende nyumbani. Kwa hivyo, nimeshukuru kwamba watakuwa nyumbani na sisi. Kila mtu ambaye ana mtu mzee nyumbani huwa anatamani kwenda nyumbani. Nimeshukuru sana...

wanapeana Kshs2,000 kwa baba ama mama? Huu sio msaada haba.Watu wa Kilifi wanahitaji title deeds na sio pesa tu. Ukitazama runinga, utaona kwamba watu wa Kilifi wamekuwa wakiwauwa watu wazima ambao wanakula chakula ambacho kingekuwa kikiliwa na watoto wetu. Pia, kuna wazee ambao wamekatalia title deeds. Inabidi watu wa pale...

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wisdom which is not captured in the I-pads, and that is, morality, culture and history of our society, that is still in the minds of the elderly. So, the elderly still have a place in our society, as custodians of wisdom in terms of our morality and culture, and they...

wisdom by sitting with us here and telling us how they used to relate with ole Tipis, ole Tiptip and others. So, I think that in our charter we should include the rights to political-- -

Order, Sen. Kiraitu! Why did you have just to refer to people from almost one region?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I gave the example of ole Ntimama, first, because he is my friend. Secondly, as you know, he is from Meru. He is not even from your community. Thirdly,--

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. History has it that ole Ntimama is from Narok. Therefore, until the Senator for Meru tells us about his biological background, we still believe that he is the leader of Maasai in Narok.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. We all originated from different parts of this country. Is Sen. Karaba in order actually to refer to ole Ntimama as a person who just comes from Narok, when we know of people who came from Maasai land and now belong...

Sen. Muthama, I think that you are really out of order, because everyone knows that hon. ole Ntimama lives in Narok and has always represented people in Narok. He has never refused that fact.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I think that Sen. Karaba needs more historical information. I can confirm for certain that Mzee ole Ntimama is a very respected Maasai elder. He has represented the Maasai community in this country for many years, but he originated from Meru and is very proud about...

Due to limit of time, I will just allow Sen. Obure before I call upon the Mover to reply.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, first of all, I want to thank Sen. (Prof.) Lesan for recognizing that the aged in our society are becoming increasingly vulnerable since so many of them face severe hardships. Many of them face very unique challenges and yet we know that these are people who...

family ties, bonds and the entire family system is giving way and gradually weakening. So, the elderly and the aged are now facing a serious threat of being neglected and consequently exposing them to misery and suffering.The aged ones do not only suffer from senile dementia, but they also suffer...

I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, before I do that, I want to give some few minutes to my colleague, Sen. Melly. I am donating some three minutes to him. March 20, 2014 SENATE DEBATES

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to thank Sen. (Prof.) Lesan for bringing this beautiful Motion at this time.I was wondering because the reason all these problems and issues are here today is because, apart from the Government doing its job in ensuring that it protects its people by creating...

Order, Senator! With those few remarks, I beg to support.

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan, you continue to reply.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, first, I would like to appreciate my colleague Senators who have contributed to my first ever Motion in the Senate or anywhere else and I am really appreciating their contribution. It has become very clear from the contributions that we are doing very poorly in assisting...

standard of care we need to give to individuals. It will also cover medical and other services like nutrition. It will also define the care givers who are going to take care of the old. We will define exactly who they are and what sort of training they need to...

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social support programmes by the national Government; concerned, however, that the Government has not comprehensively addressed the challenges of the aged, further concerned that the magnitude of the problem of the aged is enormous; the Senate urges the national Government to develop a comprehensive policy for the aged and initiate...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to join my colleagues in supporting this Motion and congratulating the Committee for doing a commendable job. They went round to see the status of our oil refinery and other energy sector facilities. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, yesterday, there came up...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, all I meant is that being a Minister for Foreign Affairs, he had a lot of tasks to negotiate for Kenya.

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am substantiating. A Foreign Affairs Minister’s job entails a lot of travel to attend to various fora. Therefore, it makes him naturally a “jet-set” Minister, to the extent that he was a hostage in a certain country! (Laughter)

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Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this the last point of order on this issue.

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I start by joining in thanking the Committee for the good work done. Listening to the debate on this issue, there have been very good contributions. I believe the Committee is taking notes to enrich the report. Ports everywhere in the world...

Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I start by joining in thanking the Committee for the good work done. Listening to the debate on this issue, there have been very good contributions. I believe the Committee is taking notes to enrich the report. Ports everywhere in the world have the potential...

incidents where warehouses have been used to smuggle goods because they are scattered all over. We have heard of sugar, drugs and other items leaving the port and being stored in warehouses. A free port will be in a single location which could be easily policed.There is a sight which...

or 100 years to come.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we should also invest in improving the pipeline and increase its capacity in terms of the speed at which we can pump. With regard to the roads, if you visited Eldoret today, you will find many tankers parked there. For you to...

Order, Sen. Melly! Remember

Sen. (Dr.) KutiWhat is it, Sen. Wetangula?

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it unsettles me to know that it is very easy to intimidate Sen. (Dr.) Kuti. But that said and done, I would like to say that this Committee must address itself to how they can salvage Kenya from this sorry state we find...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. What is not in order? Please, give him time to express his points. He is only on point number two. Continue with your points! March 19, 2014 SENATE DEBATES Order. That is his normal gait.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. What is it, Sen. Wetangula?

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti The reason why it is more prudent and intelligent to put a refinery at the port is this; you are not building a refinery just for Kenya. You are building a refinery for people in India, South Africa and so on who will come with large vessels,...

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Sen. (Dr.) Kutiareas that touch on their mandate and of concern to the lives of many Kenyans.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there are some Committees that need to emulate this Committee. The key Committees must be very active and move around the country, for example, the Committee on Agriculture, Land and...

I believe the Chair of the Committee has been taking notes and from the many contributions, I believe the Government will take action.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to state that I support this report. I want to look at this report today as a Kenyan. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, in support of this report, as a Kenyan, I am very disturbed. We used to do all this work with the former...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, this House adopts the report of the Standing Committee on Health, Labour and Social Welfare on the approval of nomination of Hon. (Dr.) Abdullahi Ibrahim Ali and Mrs. Lonah Mumelo to be...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Speaker, Sir, a notice of Motion.

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Speaker, Sir, let us get back.

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following paper on the Table of the House, today, Thursday, 13th March, 2014. The Report of the Standing Committee on Health, Labour and Social Welfare on the approval of nomination of Hon. (Dr.) Abdullahi Ibrahim Ali and Mrs. Lonah...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Standing Committee on Health, Labour and Social Welfare on the approval of nomination---- (Interruption of Notices of Motions) POINT OF ORDER UNDIGNIFIED BEHAVIOUR IN THE CHAMBER

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, pursuant to Standing Order Nos. 16 and 177, the Senate approves the following Senators nominated by the Rules and Business Committee to be Members of the Chairpersons Panel and the respective Committees as indicated...

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Sen. (Dr.) Kutinew thinking. The Senate is not asking to be treated differently. All that we are saying is that they must respect and appreciate the geographical area and population that we represent. You cannot possibly run through five, six or ten constituencies at the same cost as running through...

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wish to thank the membership of the Committee who sat every day. It is now my pleasure to deliberate on what the Committee did. We looked at what transpired from the Parliamentary Service Commission all the way to how the matter arrived at our table. I would like to brief...

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Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you are fully aware, you had ordered the Committee on Health, Labour and Social Welfare to bring a report on the appointment of two nominees to the Parliament Service Commission. This issue came to the House and the Committee through a Message from...

Sen. (Dr.) Kuti Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will table it tomorrow, if it is allowed.

Sen. (Dr.) KutiMr. Speaker, Sir, I want you to listen to this. Every single Bill that originates in the National Assembly but is not considered by the Senate, in effect, undermines the authority of the Speaker of the Senate. Therefore, this is a matter which you have to find a...

Sen. (Dr.) Kutithe age of 10 years old was very sick and they took her to hospital. On the way to hospital she asked the parents where they were taking her and they told her they were going to the hospital. She then told them to stop so that they...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. May I also begin by commending Sen. Dullo and Sen. Lesuuda, for moving and seconding this very important Motion, respectively. This Motion could not have come at a more opportune time, March 5, 2014 SENATE DEBATES

especially now that this week we are celebrating the Women’s Day. It could not even have come at a more opportune time, than when you are presiding over on this occasion as we celebrate Ms. Lupita Amondi Nyong’o.Madam Temporary Speaker, as you are aware, Ms. Lupita Nyong’o took home the...