Mutula Kilonzo Jnr

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr Mr. Speaker, Sir, for a minute I thought that Sen. Elachi was asking for votes. Right behind you is the future Senators and Members of National Assembly of Kenya, whom we have not recognized.

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to join the rest of the Senators in congratulating the visiting delegation from Morroco. We have received a very nice coverage in our Fourth Estate in Nairobi. I want to tell the delegation from Tanzania, that the Bill by Sen. (Dr.)...

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr(Laughter) February 17, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnrwater to them. We want to calculate the same; deliver water from the pure source to where the people are, even if it is in manyattas, then cost it. The same thing is true for electricity, provision of...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Is my brother, the Senator for Makueni, in order to say that this formula is a fait accompli yet it is within this Senate to either adopt or reject it?

Proceed, Senator.

I was very specific; fait accompli means that we were given this formula with only one option according to them. If we want to amend it, then we must also have a basis for doing so. That is why I said fait accompli. We have very little information and we...

I underline and put it in bold. This Report should have had an index highlighting how our county governments have spent money so that when you give them 1 per cent fiscal responsibility, it is only in Kenya where you give somebody an incentive when you do not know what...

discussed it or passed it. When I say fait accompli, I mean it. They are treating us as if we are just an appendage.Madam Temporary Speaker, I would support with those caveats so that in the next generation formula, they can remember that we told them those things. An

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

I have not seen your card, Senator. Please log in if you want to intervene.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, Sir. (Loud consultations)

Order, Senators. We are in session.

Mr. Speaker, Sir---

Order, Senator. It is Madam Speaker. (Sen. Khalwale laughed)

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. It is Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale who is confusing me. He is laughing as if he is in the village. I rise to support this Motion but with certain reservations. I would like to recommend certain amendments. We need not have much problems with the formula...

So, we should not be intimidated by the fact that CRA has made a very beautiful document, very well packaged. It can all be undone in this digital era, we can redo these documents at night and come up with better documents tomorrow. It is for the Senate to fix...

things which are going to be done in the media. Senators were not involved. Indeed, some of those ideas proposed in those CIDPs were merely a collection of old reports from the previous governments which were just desktop; there was no public participation. You heard what some governor did after...

Senator, was your request signed by the Speaker?

Yes, it was submitted more than two hours before. The Clerk who was here knows about it.

You cannot proceed until we see and sign it. Can I have it? There is no copy?

I will give you the copy after I read it. I am proposing an amendment that the Report of the Senate Standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget on consideration of the second generation criteria for resource allocation, 2015/2016, 2016/2017 and 2017/2018 be adopted, subject to amending the recommendation by:-

Before you second, I just want to confirm that it has been brought to me and it was already approved. So, it is in order. Proceed. February 17, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Madam Temporary Speaker, I stand to second this very important amendment. Devolution is an essential pillar in our Constitution. Two years after its inception, we are still having serious challenges. These challenges are being experienced because the Senate is not able to function as expected, in line with the proposal...

This is a God-sent amendment and we must give it all the support that it deserves. I hope that the Commission on Revenue Allocation (CRA) can pick this and support it without undue delay.Thank you very much. (Question of the amendment proposed)

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I support that amendment from the outset, but I have just had a discussion with the Chairman of the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget and we are convinced that perhaps the---

Just a moment. There is an intervention. Please proceed Sen. Elachi.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I think that what the Senate Majority Leader is about to say is the same thing that I wanted to point out. We should look at the amendment and ensure that we are within the Constitution.

Please, proceed, the Senate Majority Leader.

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Three quarters of my county, Tharaka-Nithi, is sparsely populated, but one of the richest deposits of iron ore are found there. Tharaka-Nithi County is sparsely populated, but it has iron ore deposits which, if exploited, can save this country Kshs70 billion annually which this country spends on importing steel and...

Before I give a chance to the next speaker, from your contributions, it will be in order maybe if you brought further amendments to the amendment. Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker---

What is it, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.?

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. In the contribution by Sen. Murungi, he talked about the provisions of Article 216 (2) . But in the amendment that he has made, which he has proposed to be part of this Report, he did not include the things that the...

His request was already signed; so, anybody else can bring a further amendment to his proposed amendment. Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to thank you for the opportunity. From the outset, I support this proposed sharing for now because, as you can remember, we went through it in detail in Naivasha and so many trials were subjected, including the 50 per cent which people are talking about...

suddenly be finding herself with more money than the other counties; and counties like Nairobi will be affected. So, with those two extremes, we saw it fit for this second formula that has been proposed. It is actually the formula for Senate and it should be carried forward for now....

Order Senators!

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. A Senator does not make noise; there may be some disorder, but they cannot make noise. (Applause)

Senator, you have the Floor.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker.When you have a Professor standing here and you hear what I am hearing, that is actually called noise, although you are now telling me that it is consultation. (Laughter) February 17, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

water to them. We want to calculate the same; deliver water from the pure source to where the people are, even if it is in manyattas, then cost it. The same thing is true for electricity, provision of health services, and so forth. It will not matter whether you are...

Order Senator! Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo, you will have ten minutes when we resume tomorrow.I have considered the proposed amendment and it affects counties.Therefore, we must take a vote on it, which we shall do tomorrow after concluding debate. ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30p.m. and the Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, 18th February, 2015, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Allow me to pass my condolences to the family of the late Hon. George Muchai, the bodyguards and the driver. On Saturday morning on my way to Makueni County, I happened to find this terrible incident at about 6 a.m. I...

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Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you. I want to thank the Senators who have contributed to this amendment and I also want to bring to the attention of the Senate the importance of the same. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this morning we read in the newspapers...

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Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr I have not. The Chairperson (Sen. Kembi-Gitura) : Okay. Since Sen. Wetangula is there, let him raise his issue first. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, just for the record, because we are all on a learning curve, I heard the Chairman...

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr Mr. Speaker, Sir, I just want to raise a point in respect to the timing of the point of order raised by Sen. Elachi regarding Standing Order No.54 (3) . I know we have applied that Standing Order on several occasions before. But I have also...

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I want to start by saying that I support the Report and to make a disclosure here that, in fact, I had requested the Legal Office to draft a similar Bill for me. I am pleasantly surprised that a Bill of...

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