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Sen. Haji You will do so after she is through.

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On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Following revelation by the Chairperson that they visited the shrine, is it in order for me to demand to know why the CDF decided to visit a witchdoctor?

Mr. Chairman, was the visit to the shrine officially in your itinerary? Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, we were on a tour. The officials of Tanzanian Government had prepared a programme which would have seen us visit many places of interests, including the shrine.

Mr. Chairman, what did the administration of the CDF got to do with visiting a shrine? Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, when you go overseas, you visit museums and other places of interests. Therefore, that is not different to what we did. That is a historical place.

Mr. Chairman, please, proceed to answer the other questions. Sen. Haji Bi. Spika wa Muda, Kiongozi wa Wachache aliuliza jinsi zeruzeru walivyofanyiwa--- November 12, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Order, Mr. Chairman, the Standing Orders demand that if you start speaking in one language, you must proceed in the same language irrespective of whichever language somebody else uses to make an intervention. Please, proceed in English language. Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, the Senate Minority Leader’s concern was not...

Sen. Nanjira, are you satisfied with the response?

Sen. Haji Please, proceed Sen. M. Kajwang.

Mr. Chairman, in all honesty, listening to your answer to a very serious issue, I agree with Sen. Nanjira who has already expressed her dissatisfaction at it. I am also not convinced that you have adequately answered the question. I now rule that you revisit that statement and bring a...

Order, Senator! Two weeks will be towards our recess. Sen. Omondi, are you comfortable with two weeks?

Madam Temporary Speaker, as long as we do not go on recess without getting the statement, I agree that he be given time to give us a more comprehensive answer.

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Sen. Haji No, you are making a request to speak, not a point of order. By now, I am sure you understand how the technology and the system works. Proceed.

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Sen. Haji Yes, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The reason I was suggesting the same is because the same information was relayed to the police, almost the same day the victim was found dead. Information was given by somebody who knew what had happened. It is like the police are trying...

Sen. Haji That is a good suggestion, Chairperson. It is important for you to pay a visit to the Cabinet Secretary in the company of Sen. Karaba because it is a question that is specific. When you finally get the proper answer, you can come back to the House. It...

Thank you for that Statement, As you might have also heard, the statement is short of explanation as to what happened and what is still happening with the police. They have not made any arrest from the time this man was killed. From that time, we should have had substantive...

To be fair to Sen. Karaba, he did not say people should arm themselves. He just questioned whether the police are unable to provide security and, therefore, citizens take care of themselves. You have made the response in relation to timelines. Sen. Karaba, do you still have anything to say?

Yes, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The reason I was suggesting the same is because the same information was relayed to the police, almost the same day the victim was found dead. Information was given by somebody who knew what had happened. It is like the police are trying to collaborate...

That is a good suggestion, Chairperson. It is important for you to pay a visit to the Cabinet Secretary in the company of Sen. Karaba because it is a question that is specific. When you finally get the proper answer, you can come back to the House. It is good...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, on the question of the people who were murdered close to the national parks, I will attempt to answer it within two weeks. I know that this kind of allegation has been going on both in Mt. Elgon as well as Isiolo, which we have...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, in one week’s time.

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Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, am I in order, if I feel as a pastoralist, that anything that benefits a pastoralist is never given consideration? This is because when it comes to November 10, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Senator in order to say, “When we were Ministers?” These days, we do not have Ministers. We have clerks who are called civil secretaries.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am very sorry that I do not have the Statement. We were supposed to have the Cabinet Secretary this morning but the meeting aborted because he was once again at State House. I will pursue him until I get the Statement.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am equally disappointed because I promised the House that I will issue the Statement. Unfortunately, I have not been able to do so. As I said, I will pursue the Cabinet Secretary until I get my brother rested on the issue of Isiolo and...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I find it difficult to say tomorrow or the day after. I will try next week.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will try.

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Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to differ with my colleagues. It is we who demanded that we should have a sitting today. Through the wisdom of the Speaker and other colleagues, we were supposed to have sat on Saturday. Having a bit of patience will not do us...

Sen. Haji Order! I am a PC and Minister! (Laughter)

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, politics aside, the fact remains that there is a very serious problem with the health sector in the country. If you read the newspapers and watch television, it is not only Uasin Gishu; there are many counties where nurses are complaining. They are either...

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Following Sen. Hassan’s statement that there is no vacuum in the leadership of CORD, was there a coup against the Deputy Minority Leader, Sen. Abdirahman? Could he clarify? November 5, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is unimaginable that KRA will treat counties selectively yet we all pay taxes. Secondly, is it our mandate really to intervene in matters of taxation? If we do that, every Kenyan who is required to pay tax will petition this House. Thank you.

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Could Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale clarify whether it is the county money or individual accounts that have been frozen? I know that the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) officers have powers, under the Act, to freeze individual bank accounts if they...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, yes, I have the Statement.

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, fine. (Statement deferred) THE GOVERNMENT’S PREPAREDNESS IN MITIGATING EFFECTS OF THE IMPENDING EL NINO RAINS

Sen. Haji Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. While I quite agree with you, but I just want to float an idea that has worked very well in the National Assembly. After the Speaker summoned all the Cabinet Secretaries, together with the Majority and Minority November 5, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Sen. Haji Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am puzzled because a Member has said that the road from Kisumu to Webuye is very good. Sen. Leshore says that he has travelled on the same road and it is very bad. Could someone clarify the true...

Sen. Haji You said that the international contractor did a good job from Kisumu to Webuye. An hon. Senator: From Kitale to Webuye. Sen. Haji Okay.

Sen. Haji Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, at a sitting of the Senate held on Tuesday, 27th October, Sen. Murungi requested for a Statement on the recent banditry attack at Kithiorone near Kaongo Kambio-Kabachi Location, Amwathi Ward, Meru County, where five members of the public and two attackers lost their lives,...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker Sir, Sen. Murungi requested on Tuesday 27thOctober, 2015, a Statement on the recent banditry attack at Kithiorone near Kaongo Kambio- Kambachi Location, Amwathi Ward, Meru County. I wish to state as follows; On 14th October, 2015, unknown Borana herdsmen shot Mr. Charles Ntoruru resulting to his...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, first and foremost, I wish to send my condolences to all the bereaved families. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the question asked by the distinguished Senator for Meru regarding the number of police reservists in Isiolo is all together a very new question. I do...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if it were within my power, I would have brought the answers even tomorrow. However, since I have to get the answers from other people, I request for one week.

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we are sitting on Saturday because we have to make a decision within 10 days. Was it envisaged that even on a public holiday, we will be meeting to discuss? Saturday is a holiday for everybody.

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is not a working day for the House.

Sen. Haji Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. As I said earlier, I think the business of the House takes precedence over any other commitment. In view of this, even if it means voting on it, we are very strongly of the view. For us to do justice, we should...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the essence of having this Bill is as a result of the fact that whereas the national Government may have a sector which deals with disaster, now that the county governments are there, and they have been given resources, November 4, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree. (Putting of the Question deferred)

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Haji My point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, is that I want to sincerely apologise to the House. You will recall that last week I told Members that the Cabinet Secretary, Interior and Coordiantion of National Government would appear before a Kamukunji of the Senate. Unfortunately, he never...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, actually, I was leading into saying that I will be summoning the Cabinet Secretary to my committee. But in a Kamukunji, I think this should be done by the Senate Majority Leader and not me. Twice, I have invited him, and this has not...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not agree with blaming the Cabinet Secretary. It is beyond his capability because if he has been summoned to State House, he must oblige. I have said I have made this Statement because many of the Senators told me today that this...

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Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will make an endeavor to issue this Statement in the next two weeks.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, Sen. David Musila requested for a Statement on the security situation along the Kitui/Tana River County border. I wish to state as follows; The Kamba, Somali and Orma communities live along that border. Generally, the security situation is currently satisfactory in the area. It is...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I hate to argue with my brother, Sen. Musila.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, he is senior to me. However, there was a time I was senior to him. (Laughter)

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have no problem. (Statement deferred) ALLEGED DISCRIMINATION IN ISSUANCE OF ID CARDS TO RESIDENTS IN ISIOLO COUNTY Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a Statement regarding alleged discrimination in issuance of national identity cards in Isiolo County. On Thursday, 15th October, 2015, Sen....

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Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will make an endeavor to issue this Statement in the next two weeks.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, Sen. David Musila requested for a Statement on the security situation along the Kitui/Tana River County border. I wish to state as follows; The Kamba, Somali and Orma communities live along that border. Generally, the security situation is currently satisfactory in the area. It is...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I hate to argue with my brother, Sen. Musila.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, he is senior to me. However, there was a time I was senior to him. (Laughter)

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have no problem. (Statement deferred) ALLEGED DISCRIMINATION IN ISSUANCE OF ID CARDS TO RESIDENTS IN ISIOLO COUNTY Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a Statement regarding alleged discrimination in issuance of national identity cards in Isiolo County. On Thursday, 15th October, 2015, Sen....

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Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not want to lie. I accept with very good reason. You looked at us twice and the third time you eluded. (Laughter) October 28, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Sen. HajiBoth of us are elderly and sickly. We thought you allowed us to walk in....

Sen. Haji Jambo la nidhamu Bw. Spika, Seneta alisema Maseneta ambao wako hapa hawawezi kununuliwa kwa urahisi. Je kuna wengine ambao wanaweza kununuliwa “kwa ghali”?

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, Sen. Kennedy Mong’are Okong’o requested for a Statement regarding the case of Mr. Don Bosco Ooga Gichana in Arusha, Tanzania. I will go straight to the answer instead of reading the questions which had been raised. The answer is as follows:- October 28, 2015 SENATE...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I agree with Sen. Monga’re Okong’o because this case is very serious. He is being accused of money laundering to the tune of Kshs6 billion. Officials at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have already told us that there are many other Kenyans with lesser crimes...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the case of this young man, Don Bosco Gichana, is a very sad one. This is a Kenyan national. It is irrelevant that he has been arrested and suspected of committing a criminal offence. That does not take away his rights. He has been in custody in...

Order, Senators! I am at a loss whether to castigate or appreciate the Senate Leader of Minority. To castigate in the sense that it is clarification time or appreciate him because he picked an issue that I was about to suggest. It is within the powers of the Committee to...

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Sen. Haji Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Allow me to join you in welcoming the distinguished delegations from Vihiga and Kilifi County assemblies. I am proud to be the representative of the distinguished County of Vihiga in this House. I want to thank you, on behalf of Vihiga...

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Sen. Hajievacuate those who are affected or Americans will come in and restock livestock in Ijara or Turkana. We must start and let our friends, well-wishers and donors, help to boost what we are already doing.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we need to have a percentage of the Budget set aside...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to second. From the onset, I want to congratulate Sen. Haji; first, on the concept itself and the acknowledgement that our counties require to have the authority and autonomy to manage and deal with disasters which occur locally. For a long time, when disasters have...

people. One of the issues which have always emerged is how funds are utilised in the counties.The leaders of the counties should know that the establishment of this Authority and the legislative power we will give them via this Bill - to set aside funds - is not and should...

Special Programmes. They continuously monitored where there is famine, lack of water, floods or mudslides; like what we had at Khuvasali in Kakamega and at one time there was a big one in Murang’a County. The responses have been ad hoc, disjointed and inadequate.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we are now...

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Sen. Haji Hon. Senators, as you note from the Order Paper, there is no other business for the day. Hon. Senators, the Senate now stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 29th October, 2015 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.00 p.m.

I will not allow you to fish. Sen. Haji No, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

In that case, I have heard what Sen. Haji, the Mover of this Bill has said. I will proceed under Standing Order No. 99 (1) and

Hon. Senators, I will reorganize the Order Paper. We will postpone Order Nos.13 and 14 to another day to be determined by the Rules and Business Committee (RBC) . October 28, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Second Reading THE PRESERVATION OF HUMAN DIGNITY AND ENFORCEMENT OF ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL RIGHTS BILL (SENATE BILL NO. 8 OF 2015) NOTING OF THE REPORT OF THE IPU EXPERT MISSION TO KENYA ON THE FRAMEWORK TO IMPLEMENT THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION OF THE TWO-THIRDS GENDER RULE ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, as you note from the Order Paper, there is no other business for the day. Hon. Senators, the Senate now stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 29th October, 2015 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.00 p.m.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Tuesday, 27th October, 2015. The Bi-Annual Report on Alcohol and Drug Abuse from the National Authority for Campaign against Alcohol and Drug Abuse (NACADA) (Sen. Haji laid the document on the...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I apologise. Let me proceed and respond to the Statement. October 27th 2015 SENATE DEBATES INSECURITY IN NANDI COUNTY October 27th 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is not strange for people who have been arrested to escape from police stations. Kamiti Maximum Prison has one of the highest security alert systems. However, sometimes you hear that prisoners have escaped. Secondly, according to the Statement, an inquiry file has been opened....

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, first and foremost, I want to send my condolences to the bereaved families and all those who might have lost their livestock. Secondly, this Statement, ideally, should be given on Wednesday next week. That is one week from now.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to join you in welcoming the delegation from Lamu County because I am their neighbour. I welcome them to the Senate and hope that they will learn something during their stay here. I wish them best of luck when they go back home.