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Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, we want to give the Ministry, which will respond to this Question, two weeks from today.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, if it was me who was going to issue it, I would even have issued it in two days but unfortunately, we have to communicate to the Cabinet Secretary and occasionally, it takes time for letters to reach there and for them to respond. Wednesday...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a Ministerial Statement on the rampant kidnappings in Kirinyaga County. Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 24th October, 2013 the Senator for Kirinyaga County, Sen. Karaba, requested for a Statement on the rampant kidnappings in Kirinyaga County. The honourable Senator sought to be informed whether...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think there is no contest as to what the hon. Senator is saying. I am sure that the hon. Senator is more conversant with his area than any other person but this is the record that has been given. My suspicion is that maybe...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not capable of telling who is telling the truth or who is lying but all I can say is that the police officer who was found dead with his gun next to him suggests more than a kidnapping case because he would have...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Statement was sought by Sen. Halima Abdille on 11th July, 2013. We attempted to respond on 24th October, 2013 but more information was sought. With your permission, I wish to give the information as follows: Despite the installation of CCTV security surveillance cameras being...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, from the outset, I asked for the indulgence of the House. This is a House of dignity and I am sure that we will not want this country to expose everything to the detriment of the security of the nation. So, I do not see...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I said earlier, nothing stops the hon. Senator from walking to the Office of the Cabinet Secretary and asking for this information in confidence, and he will be given. I asked for the indulgence of this House that this is not a big deal....

Sen. Haji Mr. Chairman, do you want to be informed? Before the information, let us get the point of order by Sen. Machage. On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. You did give a direction and maybe it could be taken as a ruling; that unless the Chairman quotes...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have information that might just help to put this matter very clear. We might end up prejudicing the security of our land if this information is given, knowing that Turkana County has three international borders. We have Sudan, Ethiopia and Uganda borders. So, by...

Let us get some information from Sen. Munyes.

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Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, we want to give the Ministry, which will respond to this Question, two weeks from today.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, if it was me who was going to issue it, I would even have issued it in two days but unfortunately, we have to communicate to the Cabinet Secretary and occasionally, it takes time for letters to reach there and for them to respond. Therefore,...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a Ministerial Statement on the rampant kidnappings in Kirinyaga County. Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 24th October, 2013 the Senator for Kirinyaga County, Sen. Karaba, requested for a Statement on the rampant kidnappings in Kirinyaga County. The honourable Senator sought to be informed whether...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think there is no contest as to what the hon. Senator is saying. I am sure that the hon. Senator is more conversant with his area than any other person but this is the record that has been given. My suspicion is that maybe...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not capable of telling who is telling the truth or who is lying but all I can say is that the police officer who was found dead with his gun next to him suggests more than a kidnapping case because he would have...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Statement was sought by Sen. Halima Abdille on 11th July, 2013. We attempted to respond on 24th October, 2013 but more information was sought. With your permission, I wish to give the information as follows: Despite the installation of CCTV security surveillance cameras being...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, from the outset, I asked for the indulgence of the House. This is a House of dignity and I am sure that we will not want this country to expose everything to the detriment of the security of the nation. So, I do not see...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I said earlier, nothing stops the hon. Senator from walking to the Office of the Cabinet Secretary and asking for this information in confidence, and he will be given. I asked for the indulgence of this House that this is not a big deal....

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, the hon. Senator should withdraw the word “private.” I never said “private,” but I stand by what I have said; that this information will be given.

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Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had requested a statement last week and the Chair gave his word and promised to present the statement today. This was with regard to the withdrawal of security personnel from Sen. Muthama. I would like to know whether the Chairman will make the statement.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, the Chairman has not given an indication of when he will give the statement. So, I am still left at a loss.

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Speaker Sir I had also made a request for another statement in the absence of the Chair of the Legal Affairs and Human Rights Committee. On his behalf, the Vice Chairperson promised to give the statement next week on Thursday. Now that...

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Sen. Haji Our records show that on the issue of the ICC witnesses, your Committee undertook to make a statement on 26th November which will be on Tuesday. That should remain. With regard to the statement requested by Sen. Orengo, you must appreciate the given timelines.

Sen. Haji Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Senate Leader of Majority is only confirming what happened. My colleague lost his position as an Assistant Minister because of hate speech. (Laughter)

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The security of Kenyans is very important---

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Sen. Haji Sen. Khaniri, do you wish to seek a clarification?

Sen. HajiMr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, he says only six individuals or families were assisted in the burials. One, can he table the names of the families which were assisted? Two, I stated earlier here that I lost five people from my constituency and none of them was assisted. I did...

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Sen. Hajithe two counties will be an agenda in the forthcoming Kenya-Uganda Administrators/ Commissioners meeting which is scheduled to be held later this month.It is true that the Government has no provision for compensation of victims of cattle rustling. However, in accordance with the request by Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo, the...

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Sen. Haji Sen. Haji, that will be the last one.

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Sen. Haji Thank you, Sen. Haji. That brings us to the end of Statements. If there are any further Statements, they will be issued in the afternoon. Next Order!

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want the Chairman to tell this Senate whether it is really the Government policy that anybody who is affected by cattle rustling should not be assisted at all. In his Statement, he said that there has been no compensation since Independence. I want to hear...

Sen. Haji, that will be the last one. Sen. Haji The last contributor before we closed yesterday was Sen. (Dr.) Zani. So, the Floor is still open for this debate, which has a balance of two hours and fifteen minutes. Sen. Mong’are! November 6, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Haji Mr....

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, is the hon. Senator in order to insinuate that the Committee for National Security and Foreign Affairs had made any remark about Westgate outside this House?

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, with your permission, let us bring the response in a week’s time.

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Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not have the Statement here but hopefully, we shall pursue the matter and issue a Statement soon.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, on Tuesday we summoned the Minister and we had very fruitful discussions and the Ministry should give us a Statement soon in view of the fact that the office is overwhelmed with requests for Statements both from here and from the National Assembly. I think...

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think that the Clerks of the Committees should be giving extra copies to the Members, because it is not the Committee which prepares the Statements.

Sen. Haji Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Speaker, Sir. On 26th September, 2013, Sen. Billow Kerrow requested for a statement regarding the attack at the District Officer’s (DOs) Headquarters in Mandera Town by a heavily armed militia where one administration police officer was killed and four others were injured. The hon....

Sen. Haji Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. What hon. Billow has said, that there have been two other attacks, is quite unfortunate. However, with the increase in the number of police officers and the 7,000 police officers who are undergoing training, once the training is over, there will be nothing...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I summoned the Cabinet Secretary on Tuesday and we agreed as a Committee – I do not want to accuse anybody – but both Members did not turn up to enable us to interrogate him. He was there and we did our best to interrogate...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, according to the code of regulations, retired people should not be employed when there are young able people who can be employed. Could I issue the other Statement?

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, what I normally do in my Committee is to serve the whole HANSARD to the Cabinet Secretary so that he can go through and be able to react accordingly. So, the question of employing retired people from Nyeri to be deployed to Garissa, I think...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, regarding the question raised by Sen. Musila, requiring to know the number of people who have been killed in two years and the action that was taken, I would like to be given, at least, two weeks. I would like him to be patient...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was coming to that. Regarding the homeguards, as I answered Sen. Billow, I am aware that for the last one year, some homeguards were trained in some parts of northern Kenya. But up to now, they have not been armed. In spite of...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, regarding the question raised by Sen. Karaba, I will also communicate. From my own experience, when I was a District Commissioner in Kiambu, there was a wave of crime in Tigoni. My Provincial Commissioner was none other than Sen. Musila. I met all the...

Sen. Haji Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have a Ministerial Statement on the efforts that the Government has taken to enhance security following the 2012 Baragoi massacre. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Sen. Naisula Lesuuda requested for a Statement on the Government’s efforts to enhance security following the 2012 Baragoi massacre....

Sen. Haji I am listening; I have two ears!

Sen. Haji Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The question raised by Sen. Lesuuda, as to who is speaking to whom, I think it is a very valid question. I am going to ask the Ministry to give us the answer as to which community is talking to...

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. We were standing out of respect when you were talking.

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, anyway, I concur with you. I will organize a meeting and invite the Cabinet Secretary so that he meets us during a Committee of the Whole to discuss the security situation in the country. The 47 of us have a county.

Sen. Haji Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will answer in a week’s time.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, if that will be your ruling, I will require not less than two weeks.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you have rightly observed, my enthusiasm in answering this questions stems from what happened few weeks ago in this House on my Committee.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have said that my enthusiasm, as you have rightly observed, stems from what happened a few weeks ago in this House on my Committee. SHOOTING OF PETER WANYONYI WANYAMA IN BUNGOMA COUNTY October 31, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. HajiThere is total commitment to ensure...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, before I started on the second Statement, I paused and turned--- (Laughter)

Sen. Haji Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. As to the question raised by my friend, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I am not aware whether this murder has any political connections. Neither am I aware of this person who threatened the deceased a day before his death. If it is true that...

Sen. Haji Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I do not know whether I should start with you. However, because of seniority, I will start with your question. Mr. Speaker, Sir, these criminals are also very clever and crafty people. They will tend to hide even if it is...

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is not right for the Senator to say that the Government is not serious. The Government is serious. The current Inspector-General of Police was the head of the unit that the Speaker has talked about. Now that he is...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have summoned the Cabinet Secretary. He will appear before my committee tomorrow. I will use that opportunity to address the issues. CLOSURE OF THE KENYA-SOMALIA BORDER October 31, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. HajiGovernment is taking to ensure that this illegal practice ceases forthwith so...

Sen. Haji Hon. Senators, please, consult in low tones. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Senators, please, consult in low tones. October 31, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Cabinet Secretary admitted that sugar and electronic goods are finding their way into the country. I find it difficult not to agree to the fact that we, as a country, are losing...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. We are talking of a very grave situation of insecurity in this country. The head of the KDF has, indeed, agreed that some of his officers stole at the Westgate Mall and that two of them are being court marshalled. What I...

Order! I think let me help. Sen. Haji, when a Senator requests for further information, unless he has used some words that are not parliamentary, that is the only way you can respond in terms of saying it may not be admissible. But for them just to get that confirmation...

Bw. Spika, labda Sen. Haji hakumuelewa Sen. (Dr.) Machage kwa sababu amerudia tu yale maneno yaliyozungumzwa na Mkuu wa Majeshi kwamba ni kweli na ni dhahiri kwamba wanajeshi walipatikana kwa makosa ya kuiba. Wawili October 31, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

wamefutwa kazi na mmoja amefungiwa katika jela yao na wanaendelea kuchunguza zaidi. Kwa hivyo, hili ni jambo ambalo limekubalika kwamba lilitokea.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, granted that the Chairman is not a member of the Executive in the Jubilee Coalition Government, who has told him that our soldiers who are known to be thieves have not been practicing the same trade---

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! Just because a few parliamentarians may be caught or taken to court because they stole does not make all of us thieves. So, I think a blanket condemnation like our soldiers are known to be thieves is too unkind. You can talk of “some”.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand corrected. What I meant is that granted that the Chairman is not a member of the Executive and granted that it is common knowledge, admitted by the Chief of General Staff, Gen. Karangi, that some of our officers are actually thieves, is he in order...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. If some soldiers within the KDF may have stolen something from the Westgate Mall as it had been alleged and admitted by their boss, that does not apply to arms, particularly when we are discussing matters of sovereignty of this country in...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am so surprised with what my chairman is saying because I am a Member of that Committee. I am the one who actually proposed him to be the Chairman of that Committee and when he was being attacked here I defended...

Sen. Haji Order all of you! First, Sen. (Dr.) Machage, you do not have to request for a Statement from the Chairman with such a shrill voice. The Chairman has been very supportive of most of the clarifications sought and, particularly, the way you walked back, the body language was...

Order all of you! First, Sen. (Dr.) Machage, you do not have to request for a Statement from the Chairman with such a shrill voice. The Chairman has been very supportive of most of the clarifications sought and, particularly, the way you walked back, the body language was very worrisome....

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg your indulgence that we be allowed to issue this Statement in the next two weeks because trying to look in the record for the names of people who are in the bush takes a bit of time. So, we shall do it within...

Sen. Haji I agree with you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, but in view of the many outstanding Statements from this Committee, I ask the indulgence of the hon. Senators to give us at least ten days.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will attempt to respond to the issues on Tuesday, next week.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am issuing a Statement on measures to resolve boundary disputes between Meru and Isiolo counties. On 17th September, 2013, my name sake, Sen. (Dr.) Kuti, requested for a Ministerial Statement on the measures that the Government has employed to resolve boundary disputes between Meru...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, generally, I think that the Senators will agree that there are boundary disputes all over the country and this one is not in isolation. However, the question of a new market is a new matter to me. If it is true, then that is wrong....

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, then I undertake to caution the Cabinet Secretary that what they have stated in their Statement should be followed to the letter.

Sen. Haji Mr. Chairman, Sir, I think that this is a very good proposition. We do not know how long the IEBC will take to resolve the issue. Unless Sen. Kuti has any objection, I can write to the Ministry and ask them to provide escort on a date that...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg your indulgence that we be allowed to issue this Statement in the next two weeks because trying to look in the record for the names of people who are in the bush takes a bit of time. So, we shall do it within...

Sen. Haji I agree with you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, but in view of the many outstanding Statements from this Committee, I ask the indulgence of the hon. Senators to give us at least ten days.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will attempt to respond to the issues on Tuesday, next week.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am issuing a Statement on measures to resolve boundary disputes between Meru and Isiolo counties. On 17th September, 2013, my name sake, Sen. (Dr.) Kuti, requested for a Ministerial Statement on the measures that the Government has employed to resolve boundary disputes between Meru...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, generally, I think that the Senators will agree that there are boundary disputes all over the country and this one is not in isolation. However, the question of a new market is new matter to me. If it is true, then that is wrong. Before...

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, then I undertake to caution the Cabinet Secretary that what they have stated in their Statement should be followed to the letter.

Sen. Haji Mr. Chairman, Sir, I think that this is a very good proposition. We do not know how long the IEBC will take to resolve the issue. Unless, Sen. Kuti has any objection, I can write to the Ministry and ask them to provide escort on a date that...

Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, since this incident took place a long time ago, it should not be difficult for the Ministry to give us the answers. I intend to give the Statement on Thursday, next week.

Sen. Hajihad been skirmishes for a couple of months where herds of cattle had been stolen and lives lost. The October 10, 2013 SENATE DEBATES had been skirmishes for a couple of months where herds of cattle had been stolen and lives lost. The

Sen. Haji Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am also rising on a point of order to demand a response to a request to a Statement which I had requested from the Chairman of the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Land and Natural Resources before we went for recess. I had asked...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am also rising on a point of order to demand a response to a request to a Statement which I had requested from the Chairman of the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Land and Natural Resources before we went for recess. I had asked for a...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, as a member of that Committee, let me indulge this House that I will pass that message and by Thursday next week, we will come with an answer.

I hope that as you take that responsibility, you take it seriously considering that your Chairman was here a few minutes ago and we need an explanation. Next Order! October 10, 2013 SENATE DEBATES FORMULATION OF POLICY TO ENSURE LOCAL PROCUREMENT OF TEXTILE/LEATHER PRODUCTS

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TSS Limited are all on the verge of closing down any time. It is a tragedy indeed to realize that we allowed these firms to close down, thus losing our clothing industry.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there was the famous Raymond Woolen Mills in Eldoret where the top prime shops in...

a statement came last year when I was the Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Public Works; the President and the Cabinet said that all the chairs for the National Assembly must be bought from the prisons workshop. And you can now see that the seats in the National Assembly...

Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, since this incident took place a long time ago, it should not be difficult for the Ministry to give us the answers. I intend to give the Statement on Thursday, next week.

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matter that took place in my county last week on Monday, 30th September, 2013 at exactly 3.00 a.m. The Chairman of the Committee promised to give the Statement today, given the sensitivity and the urgency of that matter. We wanted the animals that had been stolen returned because they are...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am also rising on a point of order to demand a response to a request to a Statement which I had requested from the Chairman of the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Land and Natural Resources before we went for recess. I had asked for a...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, as a member of that Committee, let me indulge this House that I will pass that message and by Thursday next week, we will come with an answer.

I hope that as you take that responsibility, you take it seriously considering that your Chairman was here a few minutes ago and we need an explanation. Next Order! FORMULATION OF POLICY TO ENSURE LOCAL PROCUREMENT OF TEXTILE/LEATHER PRODUCTS

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arising from cheap imports of textile and apparel products; concerned that the Government imports most of the uniforms for the disciplined forces and other uniformed staff thereby compounding the problem faced by the industry; noting that the national Government would provide the biggest market for these local products; concerned further...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, today, so many of our armed or uniformed officers – the army, police, prison officers and the Kenya Wildlife Service (KWS) game wardens; name all of them – plus even our own nurses and people working in the hospitals; their uniforms is made from fabric or...

young people who are floating around jobless after graduating from primary and secondary schools, including from universities and colleges. Every morning as you come to your job, you find some along the roundabouts with flyers trying to sell products – and these are graduates with university degrees – and by...

Sen. Haji Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to support this Motion because I think it is necessary for us, as Senators, to do everything possible to assist the county assemblies and devolution to take root in a proper manner. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, first and...

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Would I be in order to commend the most senior legislator in this House, Sen. G.G, for suggesting---

Sen. Haji Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am coming to that. This information---

Sen. Haji Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the information is that I think the Senator is quite in order to suggest that we should know who has done this, but not conclude that somebody should be prosecuted, because we can forgive these new people in the system.

Sen. Haji Correct, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am sorry about that.

Sen. Haji Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Haji Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 19th September, 2013, Sen. Musila, the Senator for Kitui County, sought a Statement on the security situation at Malalani in Kitui County. He wanted to be informed of the number of people who have been killed along the Kitui-Tana River counties border in the...

Sen. Haji Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to agree with Sen. Musila that some of these answers are not satisfactory at all. We cannot keep on saying “pending for investigations” since 2012. Although the Government has tried, in certain areas, by establishing the new police posts and giving new...

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Sen. Haji On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Is the hon. Senator in order to mix up the issue of Kenyans who have gone to refugee camps, refugees from Somali and the census? This has nothing to do with the census. These are real Kenyans and that question...

Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, is he in order because the question of Kenyan refugees was asked in the House in 2005 by me and it was answered by the Minister who came and confirmed that there are Kenyan refugees in the camps?

Sen. Haji Yes. He is misleading the House by mixing up the Kenyan issue with the Somalia refugees.

Sen. Haji On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is out of order on the fact that all these refugees he is talking about as coming to Nairobi are not Kenyans. He should prove that because we are not talking about Kenyans. We are not appealing...

Sen. Haji On a point of information, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, I just want to inform my sister that the people we are talking about are Kenyans who still hold the old Kenyan identity card. In this Motion, we have asked the Government to appoint a task force to investigate and know the genuine Kenyan refugees...

Sen. Haji On a point of information, Madam Temporary Speaker. I want to concur with you. Let us move on with your amendment, please.

Sen. Haji Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. First and foremost, I want to reiterate that when I decided to come up with this Motion, I took into consideration many things, including the national security of this country. I have thought, all my life, about the protection of the security of...

Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, I will apologise, but what I meant is that they did not understand completely the intention of this Motion. However, I withdraw and apologise.

Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, you can say that, but as far as I am concerned---

Sen. Haji I apologise and withdraw those comments.

Sen. Haji Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to thank all hon. Senators who contributed, particularly Sen. Orengo who restored my feelings. I was feeling that my integrity and sincerity was being questioned. Most Senators who spoke were in favour of this Motion. I will curtail my feelings and, therefore, move...