Elachi Beatrice Kadeveresia

Sen. Elachi

Sen. Elachi

Sen. Elachi Looking at the number of Members interested, I further rule that the time limit be five minutes. The next speaker will have five minutes. [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kembi-Gitura) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. (Dr.) Machage) took the Chair]

Looking at the number of Members interested, I further rule that the time limit be five minutes. The next speaker will have five minutes. April 9, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, from the outset, I want to make it clear that we are discussing the accounts of the Financial Year 2012/2013. In supporting this Report, we must read it carefully, analyse it and come up with answers. I wish the Chairman were here. If you go to...

Order! What you have pointed out could have meaning. However, if you look at Order No.3 on our Order Paper, we are actually looking at the Bill; the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 11 of 2015) . We are not discussing the adoption of the Committee’s Report,...

Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. However, I was just pointing out the errors. In mathematics, numbers must add up. If they do not add up, then there is something extremely wrong with these figures. There is Kshs18 billion hidden somewhere. To conclude my contribution, Mr. Temporary Speaker,...

If you listened to me, that is why I advise and direct you to look at the figures on the printed Bill that is presented to us for discussion. I am sure the Committee may have noticed that. You should look at it. If you want to make any comments...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, will you add me two more minutes because the interferences were many?

Okay, you have two more minutes.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I still insist whether the Bill will come, whether it is on the way or whether it has been presented, currently, we April 9, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

are discussing about this Report. I emphasis the reading down there which says “Total Sharable Revenue.” If that cannot be read and put into practice, then we do not need this Report. We should wait for the Bill and deal with it.There is something extremely wrong here. I do not...

Order, Sen. Muthama. Sometimes, it is good to listen to the Speaker when he gives advice and direction. Whereas your concern may be legitimate, you will not even have the opportunity to move any amendment on that Report. You can only make amendments at the Third Stage of the Bill....

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I agree with your advice. I take it seriously. However, let it be noted that what is written in this Report is written and what the Chairman read was a collection of every detail from this Report. If I had the Bill here, I would have...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Report and the amendments. First and foremost, I am really disappointed with the CRA. It looks like the discussions we had with them prior to this Bill fell on deaf ears. It is not right for this Senate to be used...

Regarding emergency funding, we have counties which require relief food year in, year out. It is important that we give people the formula of how to get bread and not bread itself because we cannot be depending on relief year in, year out, and the money allocated for emergency does...

Asante sana, Bw. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa nafasi hii ili kwa roho ngumu na huzuni mwingi niunge mkono Mswada huu. Kama ningekuwa ni mtu wa kawaida ningeupinga Mswada huu lakini kwa sababu mimi ni Seneta, nitaunga mkono. Nitatoa sababu kwa nini naunga mkono Mswada huu. Naunga mkono Mswada huu...

Kwa hoja ya nidhamu, Bw. Naibu Spika wa Muda. Ningependa kuuliza huu mwaka wa “19 vua” kofia ni upi?

Ni nidhamu au ni swali?

Je, kutuambia sisi kwamba kuna mwaka unaitwa “19 vua” kofia ni haki?

Basi jieleze, Mheshimiwa.

Bw. Spika, namshukuru. Mwaka “19 vua kofia” ni kutoka 1900 mpaka leo. Yaani kutoka hiyo miaka ilipoanza mpaka leo, hakuna mabadiliko yoyote, hali ni ile ile ya kutoka 1900 mpaka 2015; hali haibadiliki. Ndio maana tunasema April 9, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

kwamba vile tumekwenda katika ugatuzi, yatakikana kuwe na mabadiliko. Ndio kwa sababu tunaongeza pesa katika mgao wa serikali za kaunti.Hatuongezi pesa ili walio na matumbo madogo wazidi kuwa na matumbo makubwa. Tunaongeza pesa kwa huduma ya mwananchi ili mabadiliko yaonekane. Si kwamba wakubwa wawe na magari kumi na tano bali...

Order! Senator, your time is up. Sen. Wetangula, as you present your views, your representative – Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale – said that he had your blessings to second this Bill. I want you to address the concerns of Sen. Muthama. If there is a mistake, create an avenue for amendment....

Sen. Elachi Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was the seconder of the Motion. I wish to reply on behalf of the Committee.

Sen. Elachi Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to thank all those who contributed on the issue of ceilings. I remember when Sen. Omar requested for a Statement on this issue, there was heated debate. While we now agree, as the Senate, that we shall approve the new ceilings on...

Sen. Elachi On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Pursuant to our Standing Order No. 54 (3) , I wish to request that we defer putting the Question to another day due to lack of numbers.

Sen. Elachi Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, lack of threshold.

Sen. Elachi Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Elachiwere on the end route to become terrorists. As patriotic Kenyans, what did the Senator and his colleague do? Is it in order to see terrorists in the making and do nothing about that? Did they do something? April 2, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Elachi Madam Temporary Speaker, that...

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Sen. Elachi Order, Senators.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I beg to support the Motion; that this House adjourns until 28th April, 2015. I think that it will be an important time for us to go and reconnect with our constituents. Sen. Elachi’s last point will be my first point. Nigerians reacted with wrath...

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan, hold to the Senators’ time.

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Senator for Mombasa County has just mentioned that he and Sen. Orengo saw three Kenyans who April 2, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

were on the end route to become terrorists. As patriotic Kenyans, what did the Senator and his colleague do? Is it in order to see terrorists in the making and do nothing about that? Did they do something?

Hon. Senator, I think the Senator was referring to the newspaper reports that all of us saw. That is what he meant, that they saw. I do not think that they literally were at Elwak and saw the terrorists. Proceed, Senator.

Madam Temporary Speaker, that is exactly my point. Sen. (Prof.) Lesan, we saw these people in the newspapers and we were discussing that. We thought that those allegations were true---. Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to support the Motion. As we go for recess, let us build peace and harmony....

Senator for Siaya County, Sen. James Aggrey Orengo.

That is my full name. Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. Madam Temporary Speaker, I also wish to support this Motion. I wish all of us a good Easter holiday while we are on recess. The Senators will also have an opportunity to talk to their constituents in the counties. Madam...

Mandera attacks twice and very many attacks in Garissa. At that rate, the President should be ashamed to stand and say that Kenya is strong and secure. Kenya is not strong and secure; it is weak. If 15 or 20 people cross the border and hold your forces for one...

Order, Senators. ADJOURMENT

Hon. Senators, it is now time to interrupt the business of the Senate. Therefore, this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 28th April, 2015, at 2. 30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.45 p.m.

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Sen. Elachi Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I also rise to thank the President for giving us his second Speech having been in office for two years. However, let me start with the issue of values and principles. As we enter into Easter, I would like to refer you...

Sen. Elachi Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I thank God that we have very many Christians here. Yes, I said the Bible and the book of John. It is the Holy Bible. I thought in the world we had one, but I am sorry it has to be the...

Sen. Elachi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I do not want to debate it. That is why I sought that clarification. It is Kshs300,000 for a single phase. In fact, the wire passes in front of those homesteads so it a matter of dropping them.

Sen. Elachi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would have already paid by the time they table their report here. Anyway, that is for another day. I also want to bring to the attention of the House to the Report, on page 15, where we are talking about Jomo Kenyatta International...

Sen. Elachi On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. This is a House of records. Is it in order for my Senator to bring up that issue, while we know very well that Hon. Charity Ngilu was vetted? If there were any issues about the--- (Loud consultation)Mr. Temporary...

Sen. Elachi If it was a circus, the Constitution is very clear, somebody would have petitioned. You cannot leave somebody in office for two years and say that it is a circus. Indeed was it Hon. Charity Ngilu in that Report or who? It is very wrong because as you...

Sen. Elachi Indeed, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it would be unfortunate for me if this is how we will be doing things; that, indeed, we will drag in even the names of March 31, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Elachiwives of senior people or anybody in this country. If that is...

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Sen. Elachi(Loud consultations)

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Sen. Elachi Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me the chance to add my voice to this Bill, which I also support fully. I would like to begin my statement by anchoring what my fellow Senator has said; that drought is no longer a problem of particular counties...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Bill. Gone are the days that aridity and semi- aridity was a preserve of a few counties in this country. As I said in the morning, 80 per cent of land is actually arid or semi-arid. Gone are the days when...

Sorry, Senator Wangari, what is it Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki?

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I am sorry for interrupting my sister Sen. Wangari. However, looking at the time and also considering, as the Speaker directed, we have The Mining Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 8of 2014) as well as the other Order relating to the...

I think, Sen. Wangari, we will hold your time. If the Senate Majority Leader does not move that Motion now, he will never March 25, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

move it because the Standing Orders are clear that it must be done 30 minutes before time.You may proceed, Senate Majority Leader and thereafter we will go back to Sen. Wangari. PROCEDURAL MOTION EXTENSION OF SITTING TIME UNTIL THE CONCLUSION OF ORDER NOS.11 AND 13

Sen. Wangari proceed.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I was talking about the issue of drought in this country and the fact that 80 per cent of our land is arid or semi- arid. Yesterday, my own Governor of Nakuru was appealing to the national Government to supplement Nakuru people with relief food. It...

seen women trying to fend for their children and they are unable to feed them because there is no food. We have seen people from the lower part of Murang’a asking for relief food because it is no longer the issue of north eastern; it is a national issue. Although...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me the chance to add my voice to this Bill, which I also support fully. I would like to begin my statement by anchoring what my fellow Senator has said; that drought is no longer a problem of particular counties or in...

for example, the Lake Basin Development Authority. It was an Authority that was being viewed as dead. However, right now, with the right funding, we see the NDMA gearing development towards the Western circuit and the counties that are surrounding it.I am looking at the NMDA as an authority that...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, from the outset, I support this important Bill. Right now, drought is a major issue in this country. Whereas we have had these counties which have traditionally been known to be drought-prone, that is, the northern Kenya counties, it appears that with climate change, global warming...

this House who support this Government, must ensure that it delivers its promises so that some areas which have faced serious challenges of drought get proper practical interventions to support them.I have a few issues to highlight. One is the composition of the Board proposed by this Bill. It is...

I persuade some of our colleagues that, whereas, generally, certain counties may not appear to be within the cluster of counties that experience drought---. In my own county, Tinderet Constituency is fairly dry. We will need technical advice from this NDMA on how the County Government of Nandi will handle...

Order, Sen. Sang! Did you use the word “senility?” There is no senile person here. They might be old or aged, but not senile. So, I want you to withdraw and apologize.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I withdraw, but I do not know whether to apologize to you because I did not make any specific reference to any person.

Just withdraw.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it suffices for me to withdraw. We must be able to conduct our businesses with mutual respect as colleagues. Irrespective of the political differences that we have as colleagues, it is important for us to engage our colleagues or amongst ourselves in a more respectful manner;...

one of us to ensure that the dignity and the maturity of this House is preserved by engaging maturely.With all those remarks, I support.

There being no other speakers, I call upon the Mover to reply.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I thought I had requested to contribute to this Bill.

Sorry, I think there must have been a problem. This afternoon there have been problems with cards. Sometimes they do not show. Like now that card shows “Unit 30, no chip card”. That means that it is not reading well. Now that you have told me, you can proceed.

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I can understand the frustration and suspicion that sometimes come when we talk about arid lands, drought and range management. This is because in the past, institutions have been formed ostensibly to tackle issues of drought. Even a Ministry was formed in the last Government to deal with those arid...

livelihoods even outside those areas, the pressure on land would not be there. I am sure those areas will sustain their economy.With those few remarks, I will support formation of this authority provided that it is expanded to deal with issues of climate change, environment, floods and national diseases.

Sen. ElachiMr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, looking at both the morning and evening Order Papers, there is no doubt in our minds that we have executed our mandate of protecting and serving the interest of counties properly. Mineral resources are some of the greatest valuable resources our country has. For a...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is the Senator in order to mislead this House that whereas the contents of the Bill spell out that minerals March 25, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

belong to the state, she has gone ahead to mention communities like the Njemps and associated them to own certain minerals? Do the rubies in the area occupied by the Njemps belong to the Njemps or do they belong to the state? The Senator seems to be going against the...

Sen. Elachi, your time is up.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Would I be in order to donate one minute of my time to Sen. Elachi to wind up in a more honourable manner?

No problem. Sen. Elachi(Laughter)(Applause) Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Bill. From the outset, I want to say that this evening, I am a very excited Senator. Since the first session in the morning, we have been handling Bills that have direct impact on the welfare of...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, looking at both the morning and evening Order Papers, there is no doubt in our minds that we have executed our mandate of protecting and serving the interest of counties properly. Mineral resources are some of the greatest valuable resources our country has. For a very...

County Assembly (MCAs) of the County Assembly of Nandi who are in the committee in charge of minerals, land and environment tried to visit the area, the proprietor locked them out and said that he was not going to open the place.

Sen. Elachi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also want to support what Sen. Hassan has said. The Senate needs to understand whether certain mechanisms that have been put in place to ensure that the media houses are back on air. We need to ask ourselves whether the set- top boxes available...

Sen. Elachi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to second. Indeed, in addition to the Bills that the Senate Deputy Majority Leader has talked about, there are Bills regarding allocation to counties and revenue to counties. We, therefore, need to go through them and meet the constitutional deadline. We will need...

Sen. Elachi On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. While I agree with the Senate Deputy Minority Leader, indeed, in the Rules and Business Committee (RBC) we have the Senate Minority Leader. I believe that he was informed about the Motion. Therefore, it would be unfair to say that...

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Sen. Elachi The Senate Minority Leader, you have ten minutes by virtue of your position. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen.Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to thank Sen. Billow for bringing this Motion of Adjournment. I recall that this is not the first time he has brought this...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I also join my fellow colleagues in passing my condolences to the people of Mandera County. I also appreciate this Motion of Adjournment by the Senator for Mandera. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there is a maxim that I have read that...

Democracy (CORD) were contemplating that we go and speak to them too, none of us went but all of them in their majority voted for the CORD candidate. This shows you that those people who are most important to counter these narratives feel alienated. You lock up Somalis in refugee...

The Senate Minority Leader, you have ten minutes by virtue of your position. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen.Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to thank Sen. Billow for bringing this Motion of Adjournment. I recall that this is not the first time he has brought this Motion. Mandera...

We must understand that when George Bush senior went to Somalia with “Operation Restore Hope” and found it was not working, he did not look embarrassed; he simply said “this is not a cup of tea for America; let us go back.” Kenya may have gone to Somalia on a...

dying. We feel the pain; insecurity in Mandera is insecurity everywhere; a death in Lamu is a death everywhere. We may sit here and be comfortable.Look at Nigeria; now you are not comfortable even in a hotel in Abuja. I was recently invited by an international organization to go to...

Sen. Elachi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also want to thank the Moroccan delegation and the Ambassador for giving his time during the four days they have been here. Indeed, when the Senators travelled to Morocco the Speaker of Morocco ensured that they met senior Government officials. We hope that as...

Sen. Elachi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motions:- THAT, cognizant to Article 12 of the Constitution guarantees a right of citizenship; noting that it is the right of every Kenyan attaining 18 years to register and be issued with a National Identity Card; further...

Sen. Elachi Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. One of the things that we, as House, need to do is to ensure that three institutions that we have; the Commission on Revenue March 11, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Sen. ElachiAllocation (CRA), the Controller of Budget and the Auditor-General, work together. This is...

Sen. Elachi Order! It is for me to say whether he is out of order or not, just state your point of order.

Sen. Elachi(Laughter)

Order! It is for me to say whether he is out of order or not, just state your point of order. Sen. Elachior CT Scans will not be done because that equipment is now available in a Government facility free of charge.So, the President demonstrated leadership. Swing the other side;...

Sen. Elachi Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to thank Members of the Ad Hoc Committee on Legislation on Harambees led by the able Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o for coming up with this Bill. In the public domain, there seems to be some apprehension that the Senate is...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to thank Members of the Ad Hoc Committee on Legislation on Harambees led by the able Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o for coming up with this Bill. In the public domain, there seems to be some apprehension that the Senate is seeking to...

Where I come from, you will find fabulous leaders who have acquired wealth suddenly equating development with harambees. You will come across leaders spending close to Kshs500,000 to hire choppers from Nairobi only for them to donate Kshs100,000 in the villages. I am very happy that somewhere in this Bill,...