Abdirahman Abdinoor Ali

Sen. Abdirahman): What is it, Sen. Hassan Omar? On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Sen. Abdirahman? thought my contributions were adding a little value on the efforts that the Chairperson is going to make. I was not asking a question as such with regards to arming more people. I was talking about providing information to both parties to help build confidence...

Sen. Abdirahman): Sen. Abdirahman): The point has been made, Sen. Abdirahman. (Sen. (Dr.) Machage stood up in his place) What is it, Sen. (Dr.) Machage?

Sen. Abdirahman) :Yes, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

The point has been made, Sen. Abdirahman. (Sen. (Dr.) Machage stood up in his place) What is it, Sen. (Dr.) Machage?

Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) :firepower so that when there is some kind of fight, it is equal. I do not think that is the intention of the security agencies.

Sen. Abdirahman) : Yes. I have not said that we should arm people equally. First of all, the number of people is not the same; the areas of conflict are not the same; one part of Turkana may be peaceful, another part of West Pokot is peaceful, so there is...

Sen. Abdirahman) : Senator, we have not got to that point yet. Order No.12 is not a Notice of Motion but a Motion. The Acting Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Abdirahman) : Okay. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move Motion No.12 on the Order Paper.

Senator, we have not got to that point yet. Order No.12 is not a Notice of Motion but a Motion. The Acting Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand to request for two Statements from the Committee on National Security and...

Sen. Abdirahman) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Committee is not necessarily the Chairman. The Committee has a vice chair and a membership. In short, these are institutions. Could the vice chair undertake to ensure that...

Sen. Abdirahman): Sen. Abdirahman): Order Sen. Murkomen! Your own response to the bold statement made by Sen. Keter was that we, as a country, must remain optimistic. So, why are you denying yourself?

Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) :

Sen. Abdirahman): Sen. Abdirahman, let us deal with the issue--- The Acting Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Abdirahman) : I want to say that he has done very well. I am not making any other comment. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I listened to the Chairperson and I think he...

Sen. Abdirahman, let us deal with the issue--- The Acting Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. My concern with the Chairperson and his Committee about the report is when we read or hear about seven years, nine years and 10...

Sen. Abdirahman) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on the clarification sought by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale on the Kshs10 billion, I will do so, but not next week because it requires Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to say that the Chairperson has done very well. But as he goes back,...

Order Senators! You know this issue must come to an end because we are taking too long on Statements. Proceed, Sen. Mositet.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. My concern with the Chairperson and his Committee about the report is when we read or hear about seven years, nine years and 10 years. From an engineering point of view and even maybe giving an example of mega road projects that we know,...

Go on, Sen. Mwazo.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on the clarification sought by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale on the Kshs10 billion, I will do so, but not next week because it requires November 6, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

more time for me to prepare the answer. I will have to consult with officers in the Ministry.

When you are at it, hon. Senator, I think it will be important that you look at the HANSARD; I am now dealing with the earlier issue that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale raised. I may not recall specifically because I may not have been sitting here, but I believe that he...

We will do so, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Sen. Abdirahman requested whether we could come with a list of all stalled projects in Kenya. That will need a lot of time. But I committed myself to bring a list of projects completed within five years by Victory Construction Company. I...

This brings us to the close of this issue. We have taken a substantial length of time on this issue. Now, I have taken that you have sought a three months period--- What period are you seeking to give this further Statement, because we need to have it for the...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the first one, I had sought 10 days. For the second one where he needs all the roads to be audited and the report be tabled here, I had said six weeks.

Okay. So, you will be tabling a report at that point?

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

So that the other one for ten days, you will give a further statement?

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

It is so ordered. Next Order! Sen. Haji, do you have some Statements to deliver?

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

How many Statements do you have this time?

Sen. Abdirahman): Sen. Abdirahman): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want the Chairman to tell this Senate whether it is really the Government policy that anybody who is affected by cattle rustling should not be assisted at all. In his Statement, he said that there has been no compensation since Independence....

Sen. Abdirahman): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to agree with Sen. Abdirahman that it is not possible to close a border for that long. This allows some people to do business while others are suffering. Since the border was closed officially, we have had numerous attacks by terrorists....

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to agree with Sen. Abdirahman that it is not possible to close a border for that long. This allows some people to do business while others are suffering. Since the border was closed officially, we have had numerous attacks by terrorists. The most...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Chairman has told us, explicitly, that the Kenya-Somalia border is officially closed. We know that the security situation in Somalia, right now, is being controlled by the Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) and the African Union (AU) Forces. However, we are also privy to the most recent...

On a point of order. With regard to the answer given by the Chairman of the relevant Committee, for the past 20 years, we have had problems at the Kenya-Somalia border. Every Kenyan knows this. We are also told that the border is about 700 in length from the Indian...

Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki.

Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support the sentiments of the Deputy Senate Minority Leader. I also wish to add that the same Schedule Four---

Acting Senate Minority Leader!

Sen. Abdirahman) : Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii, niunge mkono Hoja hii. Kwanza, nimeamua kuzungumza katika lugha ya Kiswahili ili ujumbe wangu uwafikie watu kule mashinani. Hawa ndio watu ambao hujishughulisha zaidi na kuhifadhi maji. Jambo la kwanza ambalo ningetaka kusema kuhusiana na mambo ya kuhifadhi maji ni...

would they want to do a real borehole when they can do a simple rock catchment, for instance, in Wajir County and some parts of the north, which are hilly? If only they did some rock catchment, probably, people would not have suffered. But I attribute this to the fact...

Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii, niunge mkono Hoja hii. Kwanza, nimeamua kuzungumza katika lugha ya Kiswahili ili ujumbe wangu uwafikie watu kule mashinani. Hawa ndio watu ambao hujishughulisha zaidi na kuhifadhi maji. Jambo la kwanza ambalo ningetaka kusema kuhusiana na mambo ya kuhifadhi maji ni kwamba maji yanayopotea...

Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo

Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki.

Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support the sentiments of the Deputy Senate Minority Leader. I also wish to add that the same Schedule Four---

Acting Senate Minority Leader!

Sen. Abdirahman) : Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii, niunge mkono Hoja hii. Kwanza, nimeamua kuzungumza katika lugha ya Kiswahili ili ujumbe wangu uwafikie watu kule mashinani. Hawa ndio watu ambao hujishughulisha zaidi na kuhifadhi maji. Jambo la kwanza ambalo ningetaka kusema kuhusiana na mambo ya kuhifadhi maji ni...

would they want to do a real borehole when they can do a simple rock catchment, for instance, in Wajir County and some parts of the north, which are hilly? If only they did some rock catchment, probably, people would not have suffered. But I attribute this to the fact...

Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii, niunge mkono Hoja hii. Kwanza, nimeamua kuzungumza katika lugha ya Kiswahili ili ujumbe wangu uwafikie watu kule mashinani. Hawa ndio watu ambao hujishughulisha zaidi na kuhifadhi maji. Jambo la kwanza ambalo ningetaka kusema kuhusiana na mambo ya kuhifadhi maji ni kwamba maji yanayopotea...

Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo

Sen. Abdirahman): Sen. Abdirahman):

Sen. Abdirahman): On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I know that you are a very wise person in this House and you make very bold moves. I tried to interrogate this issue the other day, but got a piece of the “fair arm of the Speaker.” Would I...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I know that you are a very wise person in this House and you make very bold moves. I tried to interrogate this issue the other day, but got a piece of the “fair arm of the Speaker.” Would I be in...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is clear, under the current Constitution, that there is no provision for oral questions and answers in the House. What is provided for is that a Member can seek a statement and when a Chairperson is required to submit a statement,...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Would I be in order to ask that we create a bench where we can be forwarding all the questions being asked, probably, in the galleries to a representative of the concerned Ministry? Somebody should take those notes and come back to...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. In view of the fact that this matter is bound to reoccur, would I be in order to suggest that this House organizes itself in such a way that Ministers come to answer questions, not during the House sittings, but during a...

Order, hon. Members! Let me start with hon. Ndiema because he stands a risk. I encourage him to be nice to somebody known as Sen. (Dr.) Machage who is fond of Standing Order No.107 which says that you should neither be irrelevant nor repetitive. The clarification you were seeking had...

Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Zipporah. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also stand to support this Motion in its amended version. I want to appreciate or agree to the fact that those who served in local authorities in the past, as we know, had a lot of incompetence. We very...

Sen. Zipporah.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. My name is Zipporah Kittony. I am not used to one name. October 23, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) :

Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I was listening very keenly to your ruling on this issue and at no time did I hear you say that the representative of the Chairman will give an indication to the availability of the answer...

What is it, Sen. Abdirahman? The Acting Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Abdirahman) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Over one month ago, I stood on the Floor of this House--- Mr. Speaker, Sir, while we appreciate the responses from the Deputy Speaker, who is now the...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not accept that I am out of order for the simple reason that I do not think that it is humanly possible for me to make a Statement better than the one I have made from the Floor of this House. I am not going...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I was listening very keenly to your ruling on this issue and at no time did I hear you say that the representative of the Chairman will give an indication to the availability of the answer on Thursday. Is he in order?...

Sen. Abdirahman): Sen. Abdirahman): Hon. Senators, this is a fairly straight matter which I want to dispose of. (Sen. Wako stood up in his place)

Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) :

Sen. Abdirahman) : Sen. Abdirahman) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I was listening very keenly to your ruling on this issue and at no time did I hear you say that the representative of the Chairman will give an indication to the availability of the answer...

What is it, Sen. Abdirahman? The Acting Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Abdirahman) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Over one month ago, I stood on the Floor of this House--- Mr. Speaker, Sir, while we appreciate the responses from the Deputy Speaker, who is now the...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not accept that I am out of order for the simple reason that I do not think that it is humanly possible for me to make a Statement better than the one I have made from the Floor of this House. I am not going...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I was listening very keenly to your ruling on this issue and at no time did I hear you say that the representative of the Chairman will give an indication to the availability of the answer on Thursday. Is he in order?...

Sen. Abdirahman): Sen. Abdirahman): Hon. Senators, this is a fairly straight matter which I want to dispose of. (Sen. Wako stood up in his place)

Sen. Abdirahman) : Both of you are right. There is nothing excluding minority interest supporting national good or national interest just because you have a minority view. These terminologies are matters of numbers. There is also nothing excluding majority from promoting the national interest but the caution I want to...

Both of you are right. There is nothing excluding minority interest supporting national good or national interest just because you have a minority view. These terminologies are matters of numbers. There is also nothing excluding majority from promoting the national interest but the caution I want to put at this...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. We have adopted almost three or four reports from the various Committees and the practice has been that before a report is brought for debate through a Motion in this House, it is first tabled. Therefore, we October 17, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

would expect that when a report is tabled in the House, it is available to all of us. In essence, do we really have a disconnect as claimed by the Majority Leader? Once a report has been tabled, it is available to us before it comes for debate as a...

I wish to order Sen. Elachi to give room to Sen. Sang and Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki to whisper those kinds of statements.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The concerns raised by the Senate Majority Leader, Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki, are legitimate and I just wanted to find out whether I am in order then to ask that the two sit in the Liaison Committee because that is where the chairpersons...

Let us just conclude this matter in the sense that we will deal with it at the RBC level where both the Majority Leader and the Minority Leader are represented. I am sure the issue will be resolved and there is really no alarm. I also want to interview Sen....

Sen. Abdirahman) : Both of you are right. There is nothing excluding minority interest supporting national good or national interest just because you have a minority view. These terminologies are matters of numbers. There is also nothing excluding majority from promoting the national interest but the caution I want to...

Both of you are right. There is nothing excluding minority interest supporting national good or national interest just because you have a minority view. These terminologies are matters of numbers. There is also nothing excluding majority from promoting the national interest but the caution I want to put at October...

this stage is that these are in-house matters and there is a provision for doing in-house business which is either through the Liaison Committee or the RBC. The wisdom of representation of certain offices at the RBC is to ensure that these kinds of concerns can be looked into by...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. We have adopted almost three or four reports from the various Committees and the practice has been that before a report is brought for debate through a Motion in this House, it is first tabled. Therefore, we would expect that when a...

I wish to order Sen. Elachi to give room to Sen. Sang and Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki to whisper those kinds of statements.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The concerns raised by the Senate Majority Leader, Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki, are legitimate and I just wanted to find out whether I am in order then to ask that the two sit in the Liaison Committee because that is where the chairpersons...

Let us just conclude this matter in the sense that we will deal with it at the RBC level where both the Majority Leader and the Minority Leader are represented. I am sure the issue will be resolved and there is really no alarm. I also want to interview Sen....