Wilberforce Ojiambo Oundo

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. My apologies! I had stepped out when you called me to contribute. I must laud my friend, Hon. Kandie, for bringing this amendment Bill to the floor of the House for us to ventilate and decide on the way...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for this opportunity to weigh in on the Insurance (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.18 of 2023) . I stand to support the proposed amendment to the parent Act, the Insurance Act, subject to a few reservations that we...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. My apologies! I had stepped out when you called me to contribute. I must laud my friend, Hon. Kandie, for bringing this amendment Bill to the floor of the House for us to ventilate and decide on the way...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for this opportunity to weigh in on the Insurance (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.18 of 2023) . I stand to support the proposed amendment to the parent Act, the Insurance Act, subject to a few reservations that we...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Oundo, what is out of order? Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I read the Bible but I do not know the exact verse: It is written that...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, as we always say, prevention is better than cure. The role of community health promoters, who were initially known as community health workers or community health volunteers, cannot be over- emphasised. The role that they play in community sensitisation and education...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. Indeed, if there is anything — let me echo the sentiment of the Leader of the Majority Party — that causes butterflies in our stomachs, it is the calls we receive from our constituents...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Oundo, what is out of order? Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I read the Bible but I do not know the exact verse: It is written that...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, as we always say, prevention is better than cure. The role of community health promoters, who were initially known as community health workers or community health volunteers, cannot be over- emphasised. The role that they play in community sensitisation and education...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. Indeed, if there is anything — let me echo the sentiment of the Leader of the Majority Party — that causes butterflies in our stomachs, it is the calls we receive from our constituents...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) A very small one, Hon. Speaker. (Laughter)

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I support the amendments moved by the Chairman because, in any case, it is a running commission and therefore, if you submit the report after six months, it would have been overtaken by events. I need to catch your attention. I...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I agree with the Chairman of the Committee. We have complained unceasingly about this since the last term that, such a fundamental amendment to an Act of Parliament should not come through the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill. I sincerely thank the Committee for...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I also find the amendments by the Departmental Committee on Education curious. They have no relationship at all with the provisions of the Constitution and the way things are. Even if the TSC submitted reports to both the National Assembly and the Senate, the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, as they consult, they need to come out clearly. What is the importance of the amendment? Is it as Hon. Kaluma has put it? At times, you can give financial inducement, not knowing whether it constitutes a bribe or not. Or...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I had raised that matter earlier. If we set the reporting time for independent commissions at six months, let it be the same across all commissions. Some commissions should not report after three months, while others do so after six months....

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I totally agree with the Leader of the Majority Party because yesterday, there was a bit of confusion and I was part of the confusion because I think I had read the Bill in advance before it had been passed. I...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also join my colleagues in congratulating those Members who have painstakingly sat through to the end. I want it to go on record that the law-making process takes place in the Committee of the whole House. When the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Yes.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) We do not have Quorum. We lack Quorum.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) The Bill that is before us is very important and fundamental to human and animal life and the general welfare of the people of Kenya. Looking at the numbers and how we are in this Chamber at this particular moment, in view of the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) It is a small part.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) A very small one, Hon. Speaker. (Laughter)

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I support the amendments moved by the Chairman because, in any case, it is a running commission and therefore, if you submit the report after six months, it would have been overtaken by events. I need to catch your attention. I...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I agree with the Chairman of the Committee. We have complained unceasingly about this since the last term that, such a fundamental amendment to an Act of Parliament should not come through the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill. I sincerely thank the Committee for...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I also find the amendments by the Departmental Committee on Education curious. They have no relationship at all with the provisions of the Constitution and the way things are. Even if the TSC submitted reports to both the National Assembly and the Senate, the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, as they consult, they need to come out clearly. What is the importance of the amendment? Is it as Hon. Kaluma has put it? At times, you can give financial inducement, not knowing whether it constitutes a bribe or not. Or...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I had raised that matter earlier. If we set the reporting time for independent commissions at six months, let it be the same across all commissions. Some commissions should not report after three months, while others do so after six months....

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I totally agree with the Leader of the Majority Party because yesterday, there was a bit of confusion and I was part of the confusion because I think I had read the Bill in advance before it had been passed. I...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also join my colleagues in congratulating those Members who have painstakingly sat through to the end. I want it to go on record that the law-making process takes place in the Committee of the whole House. When the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Yes.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) We do not have Quorum. We lack Quorum.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) The Bill that is before us is very important and fundamental to human and animal life and the general welfare of the people of Kenya. Looking at the numbers and how we are in this Chamber at this particular moment, in view of the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) It is a small part.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) A very small one, Hon. Speaker. (Laughter)

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I support the amendments moved by the Chairman because, in any case, it is a running commission and therefore, if you submit the report after six months, it would have been overtaken by events. I need to catch your attention. I...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I agree with the Chairman of the Committee. We have complained unceasingly about this since the last term that, such a fundamental amendment to an Act of Parliament should not come through the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill. I sincerely thank the Committee for...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I also find the amendments by the Departmental Committee on Education curious. They have no relationship at all with the provisions of the Constitution and the way things are. Even if the TSC submitted reports to both the National Assembly and the Senate, the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, as they consult, they need to come out clearly. What is the importance of the amendment? Is it as Hon. Kaluma has put it? At times, you can give financial inducement, not knowing whether it constitutes a bribe or not. Or...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I had raised that matter earlier. If we set the reporting time for independent commissions at six months, let it be the same across all commissions. Some commissions should not report after three months, while others do so after six months....

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I totally agree with the Leader of the Majority Party because yesterday, there was a bit of confusion and I was part of the confusion because I think I had read the Bill in advance before it had been passed. I...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also join my colleagues in congratulating those Members who have painstakingly sat through to the end. I want it to go on record that the law-making process takes place in the Committee of the whole House. When the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Yes.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) We do not have Quorum. We lack Quorum.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) The Bill that is before us is very important and fundamental to human and animal life and the general welfare of the people of Kenya. Looking at the numbers and how we are in this Chamber at this particular moment, in view of the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) It is a small part.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, my amendment is largely addressed by the Committee’s amendments. So, I drop my amendments to Clause 25. (Proposed further amendment to Clause 25 by Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo withdrawn) (Clause 25 as amended agreed to) (Clause 26 agreed to) Clause 27...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 3 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) — Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 5 and substituting therefore...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended — Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, allow me to mention the issue of the community land. Looking at the Community Land Act, it creates three...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, clause 12 of the Bill be amended — 5th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 37 Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, clause 14 of the Bill be amended...

Hon (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 19 of the Bill be amended by deleting paragraph (d) and substituting therefor the following new paragraph— No.6 of 2021 No.5 of 1996 ‘ (d) auction the rateable property at the market value in a...

Hon (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Give me one minute, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : I will give you one minute. Hon (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I think Hon. Chepkonga has not read the Land Act. Sections 96 and 97...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) In view of the Committee’s amendment that has just been passed, my amendment to Clause 21 is no longer necessary. (Proposed amendment to Clause 21 by Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo withdrawn) (Clause 21 as amended agreed to) Clause 22 The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr)...

Hon. (Dr) Oundo Ojiambo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, the valuation for rating is what we call central valuation and is a professional practice. So, my amendment to Clause 23 seeks to put very clear procedures and how it goes to the end; who sets the practice slots? How is...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 23 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new sub- clauses immediately after subclause (2) —

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to inform the general public that leaving the clause as it is will mean that the only instances that rating will be excluded are as per those amendments as carried by the majority: freehold agricultural land. So, if in...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, clause 29 of the Bill be amended by —

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you. Indeed, we have concluded the Committee of the whole House. He needs to go on record. I will raise the matter at an appropriate time. Standing Orders say constitutional matters can be raised at any time before the conclusion of a Bill....

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) No. I have not dropped everything. Let me just give a guide. When we look at my amendment under Clause 2 on page 1355, there is what is labelled (a) , (b) and (c) . I have dropped all of the amendments on that...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chair, just in the same vein as the Chair of the Committee has indicated, there are a few amendments I proposed. I want to drop most of them, save for two. The one in reference to property and the other under

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 32 of the Bill be amended in subclause (4) by deleting the expression “Chief Government Valuer” and substituting therefor the expression “National Land Commission”. Under Article 67 (2) (g) of the Constitution of Kenya, the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) In view of the loss of the amendment on Clause 25, there is no need of carrying Clause 30. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : That is clear. (Proposed amendment by Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo withdrawn) (Clause 30 agreed to) Clause 31...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is just a follow-up to the amendments I had made in Clause 25. In view that Clause 25 was not carried, there is no need to prosecute amendment on Clause 30 because it was a consequential amendment to Clause 25....

Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I request my colleague to look at the Memorandum of Objects and Reasons of the Bill in question. It shows all the principal Acts being amended. The moving notes by the Leader of the Majority Party...

Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am one of the people who are always very uncomfortable with the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill because that is where the devil finds its way and where they hide most of the things. For once, this Bill...

Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I have understood. We can re-look at this issue. As my colleagues have said, the problem may not lie in the Court of Appeal. It lies in sorting out investigation, application of the law, professionalism, and fidelity to the rule...

Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I do not know why the Member of Parliament for Tharaka has been involved. I mentioned Sir George. According to the records in Parliament, there is no Member of Parliament called Sir George. I may not respond now. (Laughter)

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I want to draw the attention of the Chairman of the Committee to the contradiction we have in these amendments. We have deleted the provision of investing extra funds, yet when you go to the amendments he has proposed under Clause...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman. It is a good precedent that we can move amendments as we move along. This is a good precedent, and I thank you for that ruling. However, the long-term import of these deletions is the return of the insurance cartels in...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am just curious to know. This is because it is a requirement to get Government services; you must be a registered member of the Social Health Insurance Fund. How practical is it to implement because, for example, if you arrest...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I support the amendment as moved by the Committee Chairman and hopefully there could be a further amendment. It is far much better than the demon in the Bill. The word “may” will remain “may” and we hope there is nowhere...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) The advocates in the House and the Chair need to look at subclause 3. For those who have not seen nor heard, it says “all criminal and civil proceedings under this Act without prejudice to any other power in that behalf, be instituted by...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I would request the Committee to re-look at this matter a fresh from another angle. Many a times, Government bodies delay to pay because the disbursement from the National Treasury has delayed. How do we remedy such a situation? Can the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. With the admission by the Chair of the Committee that some of the proposed amendments by the Committee had not been carried, we beg to ask the question: What is the power or authority of the Chair of the...

Hon (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, we probably need to make further amendments because the principal administrator of this Act is the Authority. How do you receive and address complaints against yourself? You are a prosecutor, judge and investigator in one entity. That is why we raised...

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I stand to oppose that amendment. It might be done in abundance of caution because of the history of losing public funds. However, the social health fund we are discussing here is based on the principle of insurance. Many contributors pay,...