MULU MAKALI

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I take this opportunity to thank my Chairman. I am two months old out of that Committee. I must appreciate the good work they have done. I also want to thank the Deputy Leader of Majority...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) The challenge with that is that you are tying your cash flow advance for repayments. What happens if, by bad luck, this House decides 11th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 47 Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)to remove the Ksh7 Fuel Levy...

Thank you very much, Hon. Chairlady. I associate myself with Hon. (Dr) Oundo’s comments. Even though I am a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, we have said many times that it is good to get our priorities right. I hope the money allocated here is not what is...

On a point of order, Hon. Chairlady.

Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. Looking at the Programmes under this Vote, like Policy Coordination and Strategy, and General Administration, Planning and Support Services; we need to do better in terms of prioritisation. Even as we support this Vote, some of these programmes do not make a lot of sense to...

Hon. Chairlady, some of us have been in this House for a long time. Even under the Committee of Supply, there is no harm in making observations on the Budget. We want to improve the process. We support the proposed supply to the Vote of State House, but the Deputy...

Hon. Chairlady, it is important that we get the process right. The country moved from itemised budgeting to programme-based budgeting. Therefore, you must go to the printed books if you want to see the details. You cannot be demanding those things while we are here because we moved from itemised...

Hon. Chairlady, I have no problem with this amendment, but I think an issue of concern to me is that this is a policy matter ― that the money was with another body and it is being moved to another body. If my memory serves me well, the reason why...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I agree with Hon. CNN. As we allocate money for completion of the projects, let us also factor in money to complete and equip institutes so that they are operational. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Where is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. As a follow up on that matter, it will be important for Kenyans to be told how much money has been put in the Budget for interns. This is because they are always out here and, therefore, we need to give them confidence so that...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. This House approved the sugar reforms and the leasing of public sugar mills. The public sugar mills are owed Ksh5.6 billion. In this proposal, there is a reduction of Ksh530 million from the sugar reforms. Can the Chairman assure us that this will not affect...

Hon (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. We appreciate this allocation for the elderly. The only thing I wish is that we improve on the release of the money. There are a lot of delays in releasing the money and our senior citizens are...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. It is worth going on record on this matter – the programme on tourism product development and diversification. We are performing very poorly in this area in terms of tourism. This country has huge potential. I urge this Department to use that money effectively so...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I just wanted to request the House that, as we move to the future, we look at this budget of the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR) because we are experiencing many human rights abuse cases. I wish we could even double this budget...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I will not even spend a minute. I will just spend a second. This huge budget has money for promotions and recruitment. My plea to the new boss who will be heading this institution is that we need fairness in promotions, recruitment, and in distribution of teachers...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am happy that we sit together with you in this Committee. What the Auditor-General has said is that this House has let her down because she comes up with very clear recommendations, but we never take them on board. Our Chairman should accept that we have...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I do second.

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you very much, Hon. Chairlady. I associate myself with Hon. (Dr) Oundo’s comments. Even though I am a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, we have said many times that it is good to get our priorities right. I hope the...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) On a point of order, Hon. Chairlady.

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. Looking at the Programmes under this Vote, like Policy Coordination and Strategy, and General Administration, Planning and Support Services; we need to do better in terms of prioritisation. Even as we support this Vote, some of these programmes do...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Chairlady, some of us have been in this House for a long time. Even under the Committee of Supply, there is no harm in making observations on the Budget. We want to improve the process. We support the proposed supply to the...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Chairlady, it is important that we get the process right. The country moved from itemised budgeting to programme-based budgeting. Therefore, you must go to the printed books if you want to see the details. You cannot be demanding those things while we...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Chairlady, I have no problem with this amendment, but I think an issue of concern to me is that this is a policy matter ― that the money was with another body and it is being moved to another body. If my...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I agree with Hon. CNN. As we allocate money for completion of the projects, let us also factor in money to complete and equip institutes so that they are operational. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Where...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. As a follow up on that matter, it will be important for Kenyans to be told how much money has been put in the Budget for interns. This is because they are always out here and, therefore, we...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. This House approved the sugar reforms and the leasing of public sugar mills. The public sugar mills are owed Ksh5.6 billion. In this proposal, there is a reduction of Ksh530 million from the sugar reforms. Can the Chairman...

Hon (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. 10th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 158 Hon (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)We appreciate this allocation for the elderly. The only thing I wish is that we improve on the release of the money. There are a...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. It is worth going on record on this matter – the programme on tourism product development and diversification. We are performing very poorly in this area in terms of tourism. This country has huge potential. I urge this...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I just wanted to request the House that, as we move to the future, we look at this budget of the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR) because we are experiencing many human rights abuse cases. I...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I will not even spend a minute. I will just spend a second. This huge budget has money for promotions and recruitment. My plea to the new boss who will be heading this institution is that we need fairness in...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am happy that we sit together with you in this Committee. What the Auditor-General has said is that this House has let her down because she comes up with very clear recommendations, but we never take them on board....

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I do second. 10th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 180

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I appreciate the time you have given me to join my colleagues in supporting this important Bill, the Agriculture and Livestock Extension Services Bill. When I was young and joined secondary school, any teacher who came...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I had discussed with my sister, Hon. Lesuuda, and she agreed that I take the slot. Hon. Temporary Speaker…

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We understand that Hon. Mutuse is a first-term Member, but these things are usually done at the start of the Motion. I will try to be brief to save time, although this will depend on individual Members. I...

Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Dr Makali, what exactly do you want to raise? Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you very much. I just wanted to ride on the issue raised by the two Hon. Members, and this issue of insecurity in most of our areas....

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you very much. I just wanted to ride on the issue raised by the two Hon. Members, and this issue of insecurity in most of our areas. Hon. Gachobe said something which also touched on my issue. He says...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I appreciate the Chairman for the information he has provided. When he talks about technical hitches, it leaves us very confused. I do not think there is something called a technical hitch. The Cabinet Secretary was...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I have listened to the Vice-Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs on the issue of a patient being attacked in a hospital. Even as we look at the security element, we should not overlook...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I agree with you that most Chairs are conveyor belts. Even as we blame them, we have to also bear in mind that they are not able to answer the questions straight. I want to confirm that the...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, you can always indicate the exchange rate of a currency on particular dates because Kenyans can relate to it. When you say EUR450 million, even those in this House will start calculating if I ask a quick question about how...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Committee and the mover of the Motion, Hon. Mbui, for the details regarding the annulment of these regulations. Having a Committee that keenly examines what has been presented is important. I support their...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Very briefly, I agree the Committee. It has made a very interesting observation. As a House, this is something we need to be very careful with. When I listen to the mover, Hon. Mbui, make his remarks, he...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I appreciate the Senate for originating this Bill. If my memory serves me well, this Bill was in this House but lapsed because of the end of the term. A Senator picked it thereafter. I also thank the...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker Yes, what is your point of order? Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Speaker, I have no question. I just wanted your direction. We have a number of questions in the Order...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Speaker, thank you very much for your wise counsel. However, we are concerned that this particular Cabinet Secretary has communicated with this House several times through you. We are very concerned as Members of Parliament, especially since we had hoped that the...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would like to re-phrase Hon. Sunkuli’s question. Is there a system within the Ministry which monitors how those resources are used? I do not think the Cabinet Secretary can go to all the schools in...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, from what Members are saying in terms of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) , we are doing everything for schools. So, even when that capitation goes to the headteachers, it is only the NG-CDF that helps out. When...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. On my behalf and that of the good people of Kitui Central, I also join my colleagues in sending my sincere condolences to the family of Mheshimiwa and the people of Kajiado County. I served with her...