Jeremiah Omboko Milemba

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, nothing is out of order. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Okay. Would you like to contribute to the amendment? Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support what the Chairman has said. A similar mistake was made in the Public Service Superannuation Scheme (PSSS) , which has...

Hon. Members, we are back to the House. Hon. Chairperson.

Mover.

Hon. Members, there is recommittal. So, we will do it first. (Hon. Fatuma Mohammed stood along the aisle) Freeze, Hon. Member. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) We will now move into the Committee of the whole House. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Speaker (Hon. Moses Wetang’ula) left...

Very well. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) THE NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE FUND BILL Mover.

Well, let us hear from one Makali Mulu. He has been very consistent. Order, Hon. Makali Mulu! Take your seat. (Question proposed) Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question?

Very well. This is a Procedural Motion. (Question proposed)

Hon. Pukose.

I will first give an opportunity to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives, who has an amendment to this Motion.

Who is your seconder?

Let me allow the Chair to continue moving the Motion. I also ask the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party and the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to approach the Speaker’s Table. Proceed, Chairperson.

Who is your Seconder? Give him the microphone.

Relax, I will give you a chance. Order Hon. Makali, I am coming to you.

Hon. Members, I know you have several things to speak on this, but allow the Hon. Member to second then I will allow you to proceed. Proceed, Hon. Member

Order Members. The Temporary On this one, we must hear from Members. The reaction was quite loud. The Leader of the Majority Party takes precedence.

Hon. Makali Mulu, you really had a great interest in this. I see all of you. Please give Hon. Makali Mulu the microphone.

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Hon. Wanami Wamboka had also shown interest to contribute. He will be our last speaker.

Hon. Members, I have heard from the two sides. I believe these were subsidiary amendments. Therefore, we do not need to proceed further. I will proceed to put the Question. However, I advise that in future, lots of consultations are important before such matters are brought to the House.

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Temporary Speaker is on the Floor of the House. Given that the Speaker of the National Assembly had already gone through this matter and placed it on the Order Paper, I will proceed to put the Question so that the House can make a determination. (Question,...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu.

The list is quite clear. Next is Hon. Gitonga Murugara.

We have built courts in my sub-county, which your department has not adopted. They are getting destroyed. That is a case for another day. Let us have Hon. Elachi. Hon. Members, you will all speak to this. I am following the queue.

Hon. Elachi, just be strong when you speak about the 44,000 JSS teachers. I heard you lower your voice. It needs to be budgeted. Ask the House to move them to permanent and pensionable terms. Let us hear from Hon. Githinji. He is not there. We must now listen to...

The Leader of the Minority Party will take precedence. Hon. Oundo, you were supposed to be the next one on the Floor. So, you will come after the Leader.

Thank you for retracting the statements on the Woman Representative for Migori, Hon. Fatuma Mohammed, who is your Chairperson and a very diligent attendee of this House. She is currently on Ramadan. Next is Hon. Oundo.

The interest on this one is immense. Let us have Hon. Tongoyo, followed by the Woman Representative for Baringo and then we come here.

Hon. Jematiah and then Hon. Mwashako.

Hon. Mwashako, then the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

This is Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Kwenya Thuku.

Hon. Moses.

Hon. Harrison Kombe, I know you feel punished. It is because you kept on going out and coming in. The next one to speak after you will be Hon. Githinji because he has also been victim. Proceed.

Hon. Gichimu Githinji.

I am sorry, Member for Gichugu, your time is up. Next is Hon. Mawathe.

Hon. Owen Baya, the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

That is enough, Hon. Baya. You have been very good in your debate. I now call upon the Mover to reply. Hon. Chairman, remember what Hon. Baya has just told you about education. Ordinarily, I would be speaking from down there. If shortfall of 44,000 teachers is addressed, those teachers...

Hon. Members, we shall defer putting the question to the next sitting. (Putting the question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 10th March 2026 at 2.30 p.m. (The House rose at 8.47 p.m.) Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings NAIROBI

I thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me thank Hon. Tonui for raising that matter. Indeed, it is before us, as a Union, and before a court in Nairobi and two cases in Nakuru. Above all, there are many teachers who are on agency fee which is usually charged at 2...

I am yet to get there. I am yet to get to my seat. My notes are on the other side of the Chamber. (Laughter)The

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thought we were speaking for 10 minutes, but I realise the time is much shorter. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to speak on debate on the Report on the Medium-Term Debt Management Strategy as moved by the Chairman of the Public Debt...

Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Wanjiku Muhia.

Very well. Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Junet Mohamed, proceed.

Order, Hon. Junet! It is not your prerogative to determine that. The Leader of the Majority Party, proceed to inform Hon. Junet.

Very well. Proceed to conclude. You have been informed.

Hon. Eric Muchangi. Do not get worried Members. You will speak to this. I can see you.

Let us have Hon. Tindi Mwale. He has been here for some time.

Hon. Wamuchomba, followed by Hon. Mukunji.

Hon. Mukunji.

Order, Hon. Mukunji. Enjoy your chance to debate this. Do not speak to the Leader of the Majority Party. Proceed.

Hon. Mukunji, I also heard you. You need to substantiate.

Order, Hon. Mukunji. Relax. This is a House of debate. I will give you more time. I am just asking you to substantiate what you said about this House signing off to agencies. Substantiate that.

Hon. Mukunji, you do not have the capacity to do that. I am a teacher of economics. I can see you have completely swayed from the debt ratio to GDP. That does not relate to the question that you raised and you have been asked. Therefore, quickly withdraw and proceed...

Order, Hon. Mukunji. You are unable to substantiate. When you are unable to substantiate and you do not have facts, you quickly withdraw and proceed with your debate. It will not make you weak in any way. We are also helping you to get used to debating. Give him the...

Hon. Mukunji, this is a House of records. Once you are captured clearly and you are unable to substantiate your statement, you must withdraw it and proceed with your debate. Could you do that and proceed with the debate?

Order, Hon. Mukunji. You are out of order. It is not your business to argue with the Speaker on matters of records of the House and such undertakings. Debate should be very easy. When you are given an opportunity to contribute, you speak on something and explain it when you...

Hon. Mukunji, you are unable to withdraw your statement. You do not want to follow the rules of the House. Therefore, I advise that you withdraw your statement, but if you do not want to, you will forfeit your chance.

This is a House of rules and order. Hon. Rindikiri will now speak on the matter.

Thank you. Very well. Hon. Members, the time for this particular debate is already exhausted. I want to call upon the Mover to reply.

Yes, Hon. Wamuchomba.

Very well, I think you are informing him, but let us hear his response.

As you have requested, the putting of the Question shall be deferred to the next Sitting. Next Order. (Putting the question deferred) ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT FOR FY 2022/2023 This is a resumption of debate. Who was on the Floor? (The Temporary Speaker consulted...

Very well, Hon. Tindi. I defer putting of the Question to the next Sitting. (Putting the question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF THE JUDICIARY MORTGAGE SCHEME FUND FOR FYS 2011/2012 TO 2021/2022 Committee on its consideration of the audited accounts for the Judiciary Mortgage Very...

(Motion deferred)I, therefore, defer this to the next sitting. APPROVAL OF THE NATIONAL AVIATION POLICY Hon. Members, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure equally sought permission to be away. (Motion deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF COMMODITIES FUND FOR FYS 2018/2019 TO...

If this one is taken, then the amendment by the Leader of the Majority Party will fall because they are the same. Let us hear from Hon. Rindikiri.

You have had your bite. Given that this Motion was actually given a timeframe, it was supposed to end at 6.10 p.m. and it is already 6.14 p.m. I will therefore give two minutes to Hon. Eve Obara, after which we shall stop and move back to the Order Paper.

Very well, Hon. Members. I know the interests were overwhelming. If I were on the Floor of the House, I would have been interested. The time set out for the Motion is over. Therefore, we have to go back to the Order Paper. Allow me to call out the next...

Hon. Eve Obara.

We can see you very well, economist, that is, Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu.

Very well. Hon. Members, I can see many Members here, but the list is very short. Do we have Hon. Beatrice Kemei in the House? Could we then have Hon. Timothy Toroitich? Is he in the House?

Perfect. Could we have

Hon. Rozaah Buyu.

Hon. Janet Sitienei.

Order, Hon. Janet. My

Very well. I will defer putting of the Question to the next session. (Putting the question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF 7TH REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS FOR NG-CDF BOARD FOR FYS 2016/2017 TO 2021/2022 The Chairperson of the Is the Chairperson of Public Petitions Committee in the House? She is...

Could you indicate that you move and call upon? Hon. Bartoo.

Very well, Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, a Member rose in her place under Standing Order 35 regarding quorum. I confirmed that there was no quorum in the House and asked the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the Quorum Bell for...

Yes. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I attended the meeting of the Departmental Committee on Labour yesterday. The matters of people going to Russia and Ukraine, being recruited in their army and then afterwards dying are very rampant. The isolated case or cases that have been raised by the Member are...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Education is an equaliser and Members of Parliament as representatives of teachers, must not take their comments and jokes beyond. Education is the only equaliser that brings all the students and people together depending on their qualifications. Hon. Temporary Speaker, this House...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you very much for this opportunity to contribute on the appointment of the nominee to the Financial Reporting Centre as it has been very ably explained. I give my accolades to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning who has this very...

Thank you, Hon. Mwashako. Why do you doubt that I am a Member of Parliament? I am. (Laughter)

Hon. Oundo, you may proceed because you did not say who stole the election. It could have been the birds. Proceed. That is a debate for another day.

Very well, Hon. Oundo. (Laughter)

Very well spoken. I can see you are still retaining the canter and banter around the universities. I will invite the two of you for a tea session so that you may exhaust that. For now, let us have Hon. Gitonga Murugara.

Order, Hon, Murugara! We have had enough of that and it took a very long time. I know you were not around. Please, do not go there again. Proceed with your contribution.

Let us have, Hon. Geoffrey Wandeto then followed by the Chair for Finance, Hon. Kimani Kuria in that order.

No, let us hear first from Hon. Oundo because he has been mentioned.

Hon. Oundo is very correct. He never pronounced himself on chang'aa. In fact, that is your story. You may proceed though.

Very well. On this matter, you agree with Hon. Oundo. The contributions by the Member for Tetu are very good. You may proceed without mentioning names.

Before the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning contributes, I was seeking the attention of the owner of the Bill, Hon. Oron, regarding the list of trades and skills, which I have reviewed. It would be helpful to consider it further before the Third Reading. Let...

Very well. All Members will get a chance to speak to this Bill. Hon. Samwel Moroto should take the Floor, followed by Hon. Oscar Nabulindo.

Hon. Moroto, do you want to be informed by the Member for Dagoretti South?

Okay, proceed.

Hon. Moroto, you may continue.

Very well. Hon. KJ, you should read the works of three philosophers on the French Revolution: Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Voltaire and Montesquieu. However, I believe the role played at that time was primarily that of Voltaire. Check out Voltaire. Let us hear from Hon. Nabulindo.

Let us have Hon. Jematiah and then Hon. Eric Muchangi, in that order. (Hon. Didmus Barasa spoke off the record) We will all get a chance to speak on this debate. Proceed, Hon. Jematiah.

Hon. Oron, the list of trades and skills keep recurring. Let us hear from Hon. Eric Muchangi and then Hon. Didmus Barasa.

Thank you, Hon. Member. Most of those teachers are P1 teachers. Some of them are almost reaching retirement age. We also have 20,000 on internship. Let us now hear from Hon. Didmus Barasa.

Very well. There seems to be no further interest on this debate. Hon. Mwirigi, I cannot see you on the list. I can see you in person, but I cannot see you on the screen. Proceed to contribute, Hon. Mwirigi.

Great. I, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply.

Hon. Oron, as you reply, you may spare a minute for Hon. Mary Emaase. She will appreciate.

You may proceed, Hon. Oron.

Very well, Hon. Sabina.

Hon. Oron, you must conclude in the next one minute.

Hon. Oron, well done. I also thank Members who have spoken to the Bill. Your Bill is very rich. It attracted a lot of very good contributions. We shall put the question in the next sitting. As you can see, we are already at 19:00 Hours.Hon. Members, be upstanding. ADJOURNMENT...

Before Hon. Mary seconds, after this Order, we shall go back to Order No. 7 on Questions and Statements. Hon. Marianne, you may proceed to the second.

Great, Hon. Marianne.

I see several Members are interested. The first Member on the list is Hon. Martin Owino of Ndhiwa. The next one is Adan Keynan. Any Member interested in speaking to this Motion. Hon. Dawood.

Very well, I hear you, Hon. Jematiah. Before we come to that, can we first hear what the Hon. Member wants to say on this Motion?

Very well. Hon. Engoko, proceed.

I have heard you, Hon. Member. What is your point of order, Hon. Ochieng? Give Hon. Ochieng’ the microphone.

Order, Hon, Ochieng’! Let us be orderly. Let us go back to Hon. Engoko before we listen to you. He was on a point of order.

Hon, Ochieng’, there was a point of order by the previous speaker and Hon. Engoko was on the floor. Are you raising a point of order? Hon. Engoko, you may proceed.

Hon. Engoko, I have given you a chance to contribute on the Motion. I do not know why you are belabouring on whether we should debate it or not. Proceed and make your contribution.

Hon, Ochieng.

Very well, Hon. Ochieng’, you are absolutely right. This sitting is very much in order. And Hon. Member, this sitting is not suspicious. Make your contributions, if you have contributions to make. Next to contribute on this is Hon. Phylis Bartoo. Is she in the House? Could we put our...

Yes, can I see Hon. Timothy?

Hon. Gitonga Murugara. (Hon. George Murugara spoke off the record) Hon. Joyce Kamene.

Next is Hon. Cynthia Muge. Did you already speak on this or you have no interest? (Hon. Cynthia Muge spoke off the record) Hon. Yussuf Muhammad. Is he in the House? Proceed.

Hon. Elachi, you appear on my screen on this.

Hon. Wanjiku Muhia. Is she here?

Yes, CPA.

I have heard you, Hon. Rutto. Hon. Mawathe, do you wish to contribute to this? My understanding regarding the Member rising on Standing Order 96 was informed by the observation that there was not enough interest. However, having followed the debate closely, it is important to allow those who were...

Hon. Mawathe, there is a point of order. Points of orders are ordinary in debates.

Hon. Mawathe.

Hon. Kaluma.

Thank you, Hon. Members. When the Member rose on Standing Order No. 96, there were those Members who were ready to debate this particular Motion. However, the first speaker who spoke on this, Hon. Dawood, raised very pertinent issues. He was listened to in silence. Given that this is a...

Very well. The Request for a Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. The Vice-Chairperson is here.

Very well. Two weeks after recess. The next Request for a Statement is by Hon. Cynthia Muge, Member for Nandi County. INSECURITY IN TINDERET CONSTITUENCY

Vice-Chairperson, Hon. Dido

Very well. Next is the Request for a Statement by Hon. Abdi Ali Abdi, Member for Ijara. Please give him the microphone. STATUS OF WATER CONNECTIVITY IN IJARA CONSTITUENCY

The Chairperson, Blue Economy, DISRUPTION OF KALOKOL WATER PROJECT IN TURKANA CENTRAL CONSTITUENCY

The Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation. It should be replied to within two weeks after recess. The next Request for Statement is by Hon. Tandaza Kassim. However, I have his letter to the Speaker of the National Assembly, asking Hon. Elachi to...

The statement stands referred to the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Is the Chairperson in the House? Vice Chair, proceed.

Very well. The next statement is by Hon. Bernard Shinali, Member for Ikolomani Constituency. DISRUPTION OF A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FORUM IN BUSHIANGALA, IKOLOMANI CONSTITUENCY

Very well. Thank you. The list of requests is overwhelming. This request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Chairperson.

Very well. The next Statement is by the Hon. Joseph Gitari, Member for Kirinyaga Central. REPATRIATION OF MS LILIAN NJERI NJOKI FROM OMAN

The next Statement is referred to the Diaspora Affairs and Migrant Workers Committee. Is the Chair in the House? Hon. Dido Raso, inform the Chair that this Statement should be replied to within two weeks after recess. Hon. Dido Raso.

The next Statement is by Hon. Mohamed Machele, Member for Mvita. HARMONISATION OF HOUSE ALLOWANCE AND REVIEW OF DELOCALISATION POLICY FOR TEACHERS IN MOMBASA COUNTY

Very well. The Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Education. It will be replied in two weeks, after recess. The next Statement is by Hon. Yussuf Farah, Member for Wajir West. He was in the House. POWER OUTAGES IN WAJIR COUNTY

Very well, the Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Energy. Is the Chair or the Vice-Chair in the House? Hon. Raso, kindly inform your colleague that the Statement would be replied to, in two weeks after recess.

Thank you. The next Request of Statement is by the Hon. Rale Kasiwai, Member for West Pokot. PLIGHT OF WORKERS IN KITALE – MORPUS ROAD PROJECT

Great. The Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Labour. Is the Chair or Vice-Chair in the House? Any Member from the Departmental Committee on Labour?

You just need to commit because you can always act. Two weeks after recess, thank you. The next Statement is by the Hon. Mark Mwenje, the Member of Parliament of Embakasi West. GRABBING OF LAND FOR PUBLIC UTILITY IN UMOJA EMBAKASI

Great. The Request for Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Lands. It would be answered to, two weeks after recess. The Chairman, Departmental Committee on Lands. Hon. Raso, again, I will refer to you, to inform the Chairman. Give Hon. Raso the microphone.

Very well. The next Statement is by Hon. Joyce Kamene, Member for Machakos County. There is a microphone next to you. Yes, proceed. STATUS OF SQUATTERS LIVING IN ATHI-RIVER MAVOKO SUB-COUNTY

Very well. The Request for Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Lands. It would be replied to, two weeks after the recess. Move faster, so that all the Requests for Statements can be read. Let us have the Request for a Statement from Hon. Suleka Harun. DROUGHT IN...

The Request for a Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Regional Development. It would be replied to two weeks after recess. Hon. Raso, undertake to inform the Chairperson of the Committee.

The next Request for a Statement is by Hon. Peter Kihungi, Member for Kangema. STRAY WILD DOGS ATTACKS IN KANGEMA CONSTITUENCY

Great. The Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife, and is to be replied to, two weeks after recess. The last statement here is by Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo. Is the Member in the House? DELAYED PAYMENTS OWED TO DAIRY FARMERS BY NEW KCC

Very well. The request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives. Is the Chairperson in the House? (Hon. Muchangi Karemba spoke off the record) Are you a member of that Committee? (Hon. Muchangi Karemba spoke off the record) Then wait. This request would be replied to,...

Order, Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo. I am a religious follower of this House, and I sit right behind you. If you had brought this request much earlier, we would have already dealt with it. Now that you brought it at the last minute, we shall still have to follow the Standing...