David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Taita Taveta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr.) Jackson Kosgei. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo, do you want to speak on this? Hon. Kirima.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Keiyo South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caleb Amisi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Tigania West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Marianne Kitany.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. (Dr) Pukose?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kirima, I hate to interrupt you, but the time is 1.00 p.m. You will have the balance of your time, when the Bill is placed next in the Order Paper for debate. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order. Hon. Mwengi Mutuse (Kibwezi West, MCCP) Because I had not finished. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is nothing out of order. Hon. Marianne.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Ahsante sana. This chance goes to the Member for Kajiado South. (Hon. Members consulted loudly) I have done four on this side. I have not done a single on this Minority side. Allow this side also to have a chance to say something.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order, Hon. Caleb Amisi. You are No.15 on the list and I have given seven Members from this side. Come on! You cannot say that.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am sure the Chairperson of the Committee is listening. In future, we need to review what we ask from nominees. Member for Mandera South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Australia?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) India or Australia?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, from where I sit, I can read the mood of the House. Hon. (Dr) Pukose, you are my friend, but for the first time, I disagree with you on this matter. We will allow a few more and then the Mover will...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Finally, let us have the Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Navakholo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mosop, Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Embakasi East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Very well Chairperson. Hon. Members, I beg to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rahim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I would like to listen to you contributing. Several of you are consulting with me at the same time. One is on this side of my ear and another one on the other side. Allow me to listen to those contributing so...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will get two more minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ali Raso.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, as the Leader of the Majority Party has said, we will defer the putting of the Question on that matter to the next Sitting. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 ADOPTION...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a point of order from the Deputy Whip of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South, Hon. Paul Mwirigi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, you know how I preside over the proceedings of the House. Stop walking to the Chair. Hon. Mulyungi walked to the Chair to ask for a chance to speak, yet he is the next in line. He has been queuing for all...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kwale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can I have the microphone? Let us have Hon. Kuria Kimani.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Leader of the Majority Party, there is a ranking Member in the House. I do not know if you have heard his voice in a long time. I want to allow him to do two minutes, and then you will speak. Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Thuku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson, I do not know whether you are done. You have one minute to finalise your point.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us hear Hon. Elachi. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 32

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Baya? The Leader of the Majority Party, do you have something to say? Give him the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Moyale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow her to move her point of order and then we can do what is required.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will agree with me that Dr Gogo has spoken for almost all of us on this matter. This is one of the days when we decide this is a very good point to contribute. Let me give this chance to the Member for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Sirisia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. Hon. Members, if that is the case, there being no other business to transact, I take this opportunity to wish our candidates, who are sitting for their examinations next week the very best. I hope that they had time to revise well....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Ndaragwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Sunkuli if he is in the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much, Hon. Kimani. The next chance goes to Hon. Dekow.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Bomet County, Hon. Linet Chepkorir.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Thuku says that as much as you have five secondary schools, he has 40 secondary schools and 85 primary schools. You can imagine what he has to go through. The Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can I put the Question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Eng. Nebart Muriuki. If we could avoid repetition, we would really move very well.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Jackson Lekumontare.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Umulkher Harun.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Lekumontare, we cannot see your name. You could have come ahead of Hon. Ngikolong, but I cannot see you either on the map or board. Put your card again. Go ahead, Hon. Ngikolong.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Loima. Is that the Member for Loima? Do we have the Member for Loima in the House? He is not there. The next in line is the Member for Central Imenti. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Parliament for Rangwe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance now goes to the Member for Narok North. Is the Member for Igembe North in the House? Go ahead, Hon. Pareyio. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Sotik.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Finally, before the Mover replies, this chance goes to the Member for Seme, Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Looking at the list I have here, I only have four Members who want to contribute to this Bill. I will use the same Standing Order as Hon. Naomi to give these four opportunities and then I will call upon the Mover to reply....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Butula. Hon. Waluke, in future you should contribute while looking up a bit so you can see the light.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, this is now your chance to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Suba South. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 37

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, as the Leader of the Majority Party has said, we will defer the putting of the Question on that matter to the next Sitting. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 ADOPTION...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a point of order from the Deputy Whip of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South, Hon. Paul Mwirigi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, you know how I preside over the proceedings of the House. Stop walking to the Chair. Hon. Mulyungi walked to the Chair to ask for a chance to speak, yet he is the next in line. He has been queuing for all...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kwale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can I have the microphone? Let us have Hon. Kuria Kimani.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Leader of the Majority Party, there is a ranking Member in the House. I do not know if you have heard his voice in a long time. I want to allow him to do two minutes, and then you will speak. Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Thuku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson, I do not know whether you are done. You have one minute to finalise your point.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us hear Hon. Elachi. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 32

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Baya? The Leader of the Majority Party, do you have something to say? Give him the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Moyale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow her to move her point of order and then we can do what is required.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will agree with me that Dr Gogo has spoken for almost all of us on this matter. This is one of the days when we decide this is a very good point to contribute. Let me give this chance to the Member for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Sirisia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. Hon. Members, if that is the case, there being no other business to transact, I take this opportunity to wish our candidates, who are sitting for their examinations next week the very best. I hope that they had time to revise well....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Ndaragwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Sunkuli if he is in the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much, Hon. Kimani. The next chance goes to Hon. Dekow.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Bomet County, Hon. Linet Chepkorir.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Thuku says that as much as you have five secondary schools, he has 40 secondary schools and 85 primary schools. You can imagine what he has to go through. The Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can I put the Question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Eng. Nebart Muriuki. If we could avoid repetition, we would really move very well.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Jackson Lekumontare.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Umulkher Harun.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Lekumontare, we cannot see your name. You could have come ahead of Hon. Ngikolong, but I cannot see you either on the map or board. Put your card again. Go ahead, Hon. Ngikolong.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Loima. Is that the Member for Loima? Do we have the Member for Loima in the House? He is not there. The next in line is the Member for Central Imenti. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Parliament for Rangwe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance now goes to the Member for Narok North. Is the Member for Igembe North in the House? Go ahead, Hon. Pareyio. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Sotik.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Finally, before the Mover replies, this chance goes to the Member for Seme, Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Looking at the list I have here, I only have four Members who want to contribute to this Bill. I will use the same Standing Order as Hon. Naomi to give these four opportunities and then I will call upon the Mover to reply....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Butula. Hon. Waluke, in future you should contribute while looking up a bit so you can see the light.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, this is now your chance to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Suba South. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 37

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Clearly, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have said I support this Petition and that no one should be discriminated against. Whether I am the president or not, I do not think that is in issue. Off course, I know Hon. (Dr) Pukose will vote for me...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker I have the microphone already. (Laughter)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much. Hon. Temporary Speaker. This Petition belies a very fundamental issue that we may miss by thinking only about the estate tax or estate duty. It is about how do we, as a country, going forward appreciate people who have led this...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am the Member for Ugenya, not Ugunja. (Hon. Julius Melly consulted the Temporary Speaker) Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, allow me to address the Temporary Speaker. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am the Member for Ugenya, not Ugunja. I want...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education for a very elaborate Statement. When Hon. Joseph Makilap raised this matter, it was not for want of knowledge on what is going on. What he wants is assurance. I...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, while in the Committee of the whole House, the House considered to conclusion the Public Service (Values and Principles) (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No 46 of 2022) and the National Construction Authority (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.59 of 2022) ....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Asante sana. Turudi Nairobi na twende Dagoretti Kaskazini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe Central, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Fatuma.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you are allowed to ask Hon. Pukose for notes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is that the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, would you repeat again that you second the Bill?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) So, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is the Member for Igembe Central, Hon. Daniel Karitho in the House? Let us have the Member for Bureti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is in order. Go ahead, Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Order Members. Hon. Makilap has risen on his feet and claimed that we call the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Anthony Oluoch.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lamu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Anthony Thomas Oluoch, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai, I heard you complain. The last time I called you, you were in another world. This is your chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, having confirmed that we are quorate, I will now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to Committee of the whole House) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How did you gauge the mood of the House, Hon. Makilap?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Ndhiwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am grappling with what to do with the orange women high table. I do not know what to do because they are all lined up one after the other. I will give chances to two of them so that all of you share...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Migori, Hon. Fatuma Mohammed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kisumu West, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Baringo County. (Several Members raised hands) Members, refrain from carrying up your hands because I have a board I am looking at.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you have been asked to second the Bill. I order that you proceed to second it.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch, you have had your day. This is my ruling on that matter. Based on what I have heard from Hon. Oluoch as his reasons for calling upon the Mover to reply, I direct that his standing up on Standing Order 95 is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Order, Members. Hon. Farah,

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai, you will have to do something in a better way. Sorry for the interruption. Please, do something.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Deputy Leader of the Minority Party. Member for Kathiani Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, what are you talking about? Hon. Irene speaks very good Luo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Sotik, who will be followed by the Member for Trans Nzoia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, we are dealing with a very difficult situation. Have one minute then. And I mean one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Martin Wanyonyi. Is the Hon. Dekow Dalo in the House? Is that you? (Hon. Dekow Mohammed spoke off the record) Is that the Member for Garissa Township? Right after Hon. Martin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kiarie, you cannot shout ‘point of order’ from your seat. I cannot see your request. What is out of order? Is that the Member for Nyeri Town? (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off the record) That is the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Where have you been fighting?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marsabit. Please, give her five minutes. You alerted Hon. Ruweida when she still had two minutes so she had to wind up earlier.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, even the Whip is required to go back to the Bar and bow, then come back down. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Parliament for Trans Nzoia County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makilap, what is out of order? Wait for the microphone. Hon. Owino, resume your seat for a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, Hon. Osoro has proposed that we reduce the time for debating on this Bill, that is, the Facilities Improvement Financing Bill No. 43 of 2023, from the normal time to five minutes per Member contributing. (Question, that speaking time be reduced to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Members, the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia Elijah Njore Njoroge, rose on his feet and claimed that we should call the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that we call upon the Mover to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hold on. Hon. Members, this is something that is very simple. You do not have to spend any energy or emotions on it. What Hon. Makilap has done is what is done normally. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Hon. Osoro. What Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. John Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Shall I put the question on that matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mosop.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Parliament for Nakuru County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will allow the Member on the Floor to finish her contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)The Clerks-at-the-Table, you are

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, resume your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mombasa County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wilberforce Oundo of Funyula Constituency. I hope that you take a short time like other Members.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you very much Hon. Baya. For obvious reasons, I will call the next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) THE PRIMARY HEALTHCARE BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Who is moving? Is it the Majority Whip? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The first contributor will be Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give the former Principal Secretary one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Asante sana. Turudi Nairobi na twende Dagoretti Kaskazini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe Central, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Fatuma.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you are allowed to ask Hon. Pukose for notes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is that the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, would you repeat again that you second the Bill?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) So, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is the Member for Igembe Central, Hon. Daniel Karitho in the House? Let us have the Member for Bureti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is in order. Go ahead, Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Order Members. Hon. Makilap has risen on his feet and claimed that we call the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Anthony Oluoch.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lamu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Anthony Thomas Oluoch, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai, I heard you complain. The last time I called you, you were in another world. This is your chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, having confirmed that we are quorate, I will now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to Committee of the whole House) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How did you gauge the mood of the House, Hon. Makilap?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Ndhiwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am grappling with what to do with the orange women high table. I do not know what to do because they are all lined up one after the other. I will give chances to two of them so that all of you share...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Migori, Hon. Fatuma Mohammed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kisumu West, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Baringo County. (Several Members raised hands) Members, refrain from carrying up your hands because I have a board I am looking at.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you have been asked to second the Bill. I order that you proceed to second it.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch, you have had your day. This is my ruling on that matter. Based on what I have heard from Hon. Oluoch as his reasons for calling upon the Mover to reply, I direct that his standing up on Standing Order 95 is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Order, Members. Hon. Farah,

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai, you will have to do something in a better way. Sorry for the interruption. Please, do something.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Deputy Leader of the Minority Party. Member for Kathiani Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, what are you talking about? Hon. Irene speaks very good Luo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Sotik, who will be followed by the Member for Trans Nzoia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, we are dealing with a very difficult situation. Have one minute then. And I mean one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Martin Wanyonyi. Is the Hon. Dekow Dalo in the House? Is that you? (Hon. Dekow Mohammed spoke off the record) Is that the Member for Garissa Township? Right after Hon. Martin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kiarie, you cannot shout ‘point of order’ from your seat. I cannot see your request. What is out of order? Is that the Member for Nyeri Town? (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off the record) That is the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Where have you been fighting?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marsabit. Please, give her five minutes. You alerted Hon. Ruweida when she still had two minutes so she had to wind up earlier.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, even the Whip is required to go back to the Bar and bow, then come back down. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Parliament for Trans Nzoia County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makilap, what is out of order? Wait for the microphone. Hon. Owino, resume your seat for a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, Hon. Osoro has proposed that we reduce the time for debating on this Bill, that is, the Facilities Improvement Financing Bill No. 43 of 2023, from the normal time to five minutes per Member contributing. (Question, that speaking time be reduced to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Members, the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia Elijah Njore Njoroge, rose on his feet and claimed that we should call the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that we call upon the Mover to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hold on. Hon. Members, this is something that is very simple. You do not have to spend any energy or emotions on it. What Hon. Makilap has done is what is done normally. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Hon. Osoro. What Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. John Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Shall I put the question on that matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mosop.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Parliament for Nakuru County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will allow the Member on the Floor to finish her contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)The Clerks-at-the-Table, you are

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, resume your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mombasa County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wilberforce Oundo of Funyula Constituency. I hope that you take a short time like other Members.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you very much Hon. Baya. For obvious reasons, I will call the next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) THE PRIMARY HEALTHCARE BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Who is moving? Is it the Majority Whip? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The first contributor will be Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give the former Principal Secretary one minute.