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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale So what have you informed him? What are you informing him?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale(Loud consultations) December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 21 Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale of Ikolomani in defending their national resource. Kshs687 billion is far too much money for us to allow tomcats from Nairobi supporting foreigners to take over. We will not cave in.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wanted to comment on the statement by Sen. Nyutu regarding the plight of ECDE teachers from Murang'a County. (Loud consultations)

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale(Applause) December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 20 Sen. (Dr) Khalwale statement that speaks to the role of the police. The police in Kenya seem to be serving private individuals, like the crooks who took these 130 head of cattle as if the matter is supposed to be countrywide....

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Hon. Senators, kindly arise. This session is suspended for one hour. We shall, therefore, come back here at exactly 7.30 p.m. (The Senate adjourned temporarily at 6.30 p.m.) (The Senate resumed at 7.40 p.m.)

Hon. Senators, kindly arise. This session is suspended for one hour. We shall, therefore, come back here at exactly 7.30 p.m. (The Senate adjourned temporarily at 6.30 p.m.) (The Senate resumed at 7.40 p.m.)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale(Loud consultations)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwalemean? You all know that in this House, we have been voting with the threshold of 24, even when our brother, the late Cheptumo was gone.Now, with what has been brought by the County Assembly, they are telling us, please, remember there were three MCAs who are not...

Sen. Wambua, please proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, I am convinced by what the Counsel for the Governor, Mutuma, has said; that, you cannot find voting by proxy anywhere in the Standing Orders of the County Assembly or anywhere else yet, this is going to guide us to decide on your preliminary objection,...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale This matter does not invite the Speaker to rule. It is a matter that requires the entire Secretariat of Parliament and specifically the Senate, to reflect on and advise the SBC. Sometimes, when the Governor of Kakamega is appearing before CPIC and CPAC, I sit there and...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to appreciate the initiative by the Nominated Senator, Sen. Nabwire and Sen. Catherine Mumma. They are the only leaders from our community who have woken up to the reality of what is going on in Ikolomani. With maximum respect,...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for that one minute that you have given me. In conclusion, we will not move from Kakamega for whatever reason other than mining that gold ourselves. We shall mine it. If I do not, my children will. If they do not, my...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale What do they want?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Let me help him because it seems he does not know the law. Allow me to inform him now, it is five per cent to the community, 10 per cent to the county government, 20 per cent to the national Government and the balance disappears with the...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Yes, it is useful, but he should not give the impression that Sen. Boni Khalwale does not know the law.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, we should always plead with colleagues that if they must inform a Member, they inform them something they do not know. Before you came here, we enacted the law you are talking about. So, I know what I am talking about.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Yes. The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) : Proceed, Senator for Nandi County.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale By extension, the entire Randa Corridor shall not move. We will only move if we are the ones mining. We have not said we cannot mine. We will only move if our stake is not limited to five per cent. Five per cent of our own gold,...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I again celebrate my younger brother for defending himself and setting the record clear. Why are 8,000 to 10,000 people being moved to nowhere? The leaders are quiet, apart from Sen. Catherine, Sen. Consolata, and yours truly. Secondly, the administration; the national...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. We do not understand why there is all this power rationing. Western Kenya tends to be the biggest casualty. What is the reason? You are well-placed to tell us, because fortunately for us, you also come from Western Kenya. By that I...

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise under Standing Order No.105. Did you hear the Senate Majority Leader announce that he is being denied an opportunity to go on maternity leave? Could he prove that he is pregnant? Mr. Speaker, Sir, laymen are shouting and they do not know...

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to seek further clarification on the matter raised by the Senator of Nandi County. The issue is the discrimination that Kenyans face in their industry outside the country are subjected to. The Government of Kenya should not keep quiet when our...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, before I ask my Question, allow me to extend my condolences to the family of the wife of J.M. Kariuki, Mama Terry Kariuki, who has passed on. I request the Cabinet Secretary, owing to the unique history of Josiah Mwangi Kariuki in this country,...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Cabinet Secretary’s work is well cut out for him. As a former colleague in this House, I believe he wants to succeed and we will support him. However. these incidences took place as far back as 2023. He is telling us that...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is not clear from the Cabinet Secretary. This insecurity is promoted by politicians. We know of a politician in Baringo and a November 5, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 22 Sen. (Dr.) Khalwalepolitician in West Pokot. In fact, his helicopter air lifted cattle rustlers when...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale The question is, what is he doing about politicians who are promoting this insecurity; one from Baringo and another one from West Pokot? The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Banditry is not confined to Pokot Community,...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we must collectively congratulate the Government for the decision to make it easier for the Somali and other border communities to move away from being discriminated. However, this is the time the Cabinet Secretary must tell the country what security layer has been...

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwalebecause he has been to that place. It is called Kathangachini; just neighbouring Kathangachini. Now it is Kathangajuu. That sub-location has gone without a substantive assistant chief for close to five years since the retirement of one John Nyanga Gakingo. We have had two interviews conducted. We have...

Proceed. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on operationalisation of locations and sub-locations, Cabinet Secretary, there are many new sub-locations and locations across the country. Young people have undergone interviews for employment. They have been waiting, some of them even for periods of up to two years. When...

Any other member? Sen. Enoch Wambua, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Mine is also on that word, “operationalization”. Could the Cabinet Secretary respond, if he will? We have a number of new sub-counties created in Kitui County, including Tharaka Thagicu. He knows I fought with him here to create that sub-county. It was created and...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, respond to those two supplementary questions. Then maybe, Sen. Gataya can also ask. I think he is not here.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, there is this sub-location called Kamagona in Marawa Location. I am very sure Hon. Waziri is privy to that information November 5, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 40

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have heard that you have amended the order of business, so that we can start with No.10 and then go back to the question. However, could you clarify whether the Senate is now waiting for a Cabinet Secretary? Is it the procedure of...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Motion. The history of the IPU stretches to hundreds of years ago. Initially, the reason why IPU was founded was to further amongst other things, democracy, in the community of nations worldwide. I congratulate Sen. Catherine Mumma...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. These days, social media is very vibrant and robust. Let me make it clear that I am reading on behalf of the Leader of the Majority. I am not the Leader of the Majority. Mr. Speaker, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No.57...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale I am sorry, that was when I was asking for a point of order. I am now good.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. On behalf of the Chairperson, Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, 30th October, 2025- The report of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget on its consideration of...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate--- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg your pardon. CONSIDERATION OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY AMENDMENTS TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT'S ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS (NO. 2) BILL, (SENATE BILLS NO.8 OF 2025)

Bw. Waziri amekupata. Bw. Naibu Spika katika

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Cabinet Secretary knows that the Cabinet sat and made a decision on privatization. However, this was varied to leasing. Since he sits in the Cabinet, why did you not take the initiative to carry out a socio-economic impact assessment? He has...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale What is your question, Sen. Boni? Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale: I feel a lot of pain about Litunya because I had to pay.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale: Cabinet Secretary, the question you must answer for Kenyans is this: The extra bill that SHA expects people to pay, why do you not acknowledge that it reflects a failed funding system? This system needs to be reworked, so that patients, my dear brother, can enjoy the...

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Sen. Boni, could you address the Chair?

Sen. Boni--- (Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, could you contain him?

Sen. Boni, could you address the Chair? October 29, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 33

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Sen. (Dr) Khalwale Number two, you cannot transfer the responsibility---

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale Order, Sen. Boni Khalwale. Minority Leader, please proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika.(Loud consultations) If there is no clarification, then I will give the Minority Leader. Sen. (Dr) Khalwale You cannot attack Dr. Brian Lishenga and you find it okay and...

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale Seneta, uko na dakika moja, ili Bw. Waziri akujibu.

You have no microphone, Sen. Boni Khalwale. Minority Leader, proceed. What is your clarification? Sen. Boni Khalwale, order or I will kick you out of this House for the rest of the day. (Sen. (Dr) Khalwale spoke off record) No, that is not the way we transact business and you...

Order, Sen. Boni Khalwale. Minority Leader, please proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, please, allow the Cabinet Secretary to get the clarification that the Senate Minority Leader is seeking. The Senate Minority Leader (

Katika Kaunti ya Kilifi hivi sasa, kila mtu anafuatilia hii debate ambayo inaendelea hapa. Ingekuwa bora sana kama utaniruhusu nimuulize Bw. Waziri lile swali ambalo nilikuwa nimeliuliza hapo awali ili aweze kulijibu kwa lugha ya Kiswahili. Kwa vile mimi nimeuliza kwa lugha ya Kiswahili na yeye pia anafaa kunijibu kwa...

Seneta, uko na dakika moja, ili Bw. Waziri akujibu. October 29, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 45

Asante, Bw. Waziri kwa kufika Seneti. Tunawashukuru na muende salama. [The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Aden Duale) was ushered out of the Chamber] ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, it is now 1.00 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until later today, Wednesday, 29th October, 2025 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 1.00 p.m. October 29, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 46

Sen (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Colleague Senators, this is Western. We have three communities here, the Sabaots - who sometimes people try to steal from us by attempting to call them Kalenjins when they are not - the Teso Community and, of course, the Luhya Community. We...

Sen (Dr.) Khalwale On a point of clarification, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to beg you to indulge me and the Senator for Vihiga County, because this is a historic moment in our region and within our three communities. I would like to request you to give us a moment to welcome colleagues to our...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Is the distinguished Senator, Catherine Mumma in order to misrepresent facts? If indeed she is a daughter of this community, which I know she is---

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Standing Order 105. If indeed she is a daughter of this community, and I do agree that she is a daughter of this community, why is she misrepresenting facts? In this community, once you get married, you cease being the person from this community. You belong to...

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Sen. Boni Khalwale, when you get your chance to debate, you will argue on those basis. Those are your arguments. I must not agree with the arguments. Sen. Methu must not agree with your arguments. During debate, you will have your 20 minutes to hammer those points....

Sen. Boni Khalwale, when you get your chance to debate, you will argue on those basis. Those are your arguments. I must not agree with the arguments. Sen. Methu must not agree with your arguments. During debate, you will have your 20 minutes to hammer those points. Therefore, let us...

I cannot give you time to debate when you do not have the opportunity. It is not yet your time. Sen. (Dr.) KhalwaleHouse having invited the Chair to make a decision on this matter. Therefore, if you do not wish to make the decision now, you can make the decision...

Sen. Boni Khalwale, resume your seat, please. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale I am obliged.

Sen. Ososti Godfrey, it is your time to make your contribution.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The matter before us on the role of deputy governors and the assignment of roles by portfolio by the governor is very important. I thank the Committee for the step they have taken to go through the petition and bring this report to the...

Order, Chairperson of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale and Sen. Cherarkey Samson---

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to use this opportunity to also commend our athletes for the performance they showed in Tokyo. When the sports in Tokyo were going on, I was in a foreign country, a white man's country. I received admiration because I announced in the...

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, in the past two weeks, the Ministry of Education has conceded that when they were doing an audit of schools, they had audited 12,000 schools out of the 17,500 and found that there were 50,000 ghost students. In fact, the Principal Secretary (PS) for Education, Prof. Bitok,...

Sen. Mwenda Gataya, please, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Bwana Cabinet Secretary, I have been to quite a number of schools where I have found Junior Secondary School (JSS) classes mixed with the primary schools. There is a lot of confusion in those primary schools where you find a graduate teacher is under the...

Sen. Catherine Mumma, please, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to ask a question. I welcome the CS to the Senate. Mr. Speaker, Sir, my question to the CS is, would you kindly tell the Senate whether your Ministry has been allocated adequate budget to ensure that no school in Kenya is...

Senator for Nandi County, please proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to ask the Cabinet Minister for Education what his position is, because most of these challenges stem from the running and effectiveness of junior secondary schools. What is the Ministry's position on the independence and governance structure of managing junior secondary schools,...

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Senator for Nairobi City County, please proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I must first apologise that I was summoned to another meeting in the middle of the SBC meeting and, therefore, did not have an opportunity to raise this before the Committee. Just like the Senator for Nairobi City, I was truly waiting for the...

Sen. (Dr.) KhalwaleMr. Speaker, Sir, we have young adults aged 40, 41, 42 and 43 years, who have been waiting to be employed, yet there is a rule in the Ministry that once you are 45 years and above, you cannot be employed. Where will these young people go? October...

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Let him raise the point of order.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Sen. Sifuna, can you be informed?

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, would you just withdraw what you said if you are withdrawing and move on with debate? Sen. (Dr.) Khalwaletrillion. Why would Ethiopia, a country which is struggling with democracy, a country that is struggling with stability, struggling with national cohesion and does not have a good constitution...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, that is self- explanatory. Please withdraw. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, in fact, the Senator for Nairobi City is more than 100 per cent right. I would not want to drag his name in mud, especially given the fact that I am his elder...

Madam Temporary Speaker, with tremendous respect to the Senator for Kakamega, pursuant to Standing Order No.105 on Statement of Fact, I have been more than clear that I do not recognise anything called broad-based government. I am not part of it. Why does he keep dragging me and my good...

What is your point of order, Sen. Sifuna?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Madam Temporary Speaker, he has not complained. If he had complained, then there would be reason. He has taken it in his stride, the debater he is, a grandchild of Jean Marie Seroney from Nandi. September 25, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 34 Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale achieving an unprecedented...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. September 25, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 31 Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Madam Temporary Speaker, having said that, I beg to reply. Due to obvious reasons, I request that the putting of the question under Standing Order No.66(3) be delayed to a later date.I thank you.