Robert Pukose

Hon. (Dr.) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for allowing me to contribute to the Motion on Consideration of the Protocols Relating to Amendments of Articles 50 (a) and 56 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation 1944 (Chicago Convention) . Article 50 (a) of this Convention...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I rise to support the Petition by Hon. Saney on matters asbestos. Asbestos inhalation is known to cause asbestosis 28th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6 Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA)I look forward to seeing the Report by the Public Petitions...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I rise to support the Petition by Hon. Saney on matters asbestos. Asbestos inhalation is known to cause asbestosis 28th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6 Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA)I look forward to seeing the Report by the Public Petitions...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for being magnanimous to allow me to table this statement. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Health on its consideration of the Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill (National Assembly Bill No.61...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I represent Endebess Constituency which had no recruits. It does not appear on the list. Cabinet Secretary, what plans do you have to compensate constituencies where nobody was recruited?

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for being magnanimous to allow me to table this statement. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Health on its consideration of the Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill (National Assembly Bill No.61...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 30 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “may” and substituting therefor the words “shall in consultation with the Board”. The amendment seeks to make it mandatory for the Cabinet Secretary to make...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, this amendment adds value to the Bill. I do not think there is a problem with that. (Hon. Anthony Oluoch raised his hand) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Oluoch, you are being supported. What have you forgotten?

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, Clause 34 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (7) by inserting the words “and is liable upon conviction to a fine not exceeding one million, or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) I oppose the proposed amendment by Hon. Oluoch in that I also have an amendment that I will move once we dispense with what Hon. Oluoch has. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. There was a question by Hon. Kangogo. I...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 35 of the Bill be amended— Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 35 of the Bill be amended—

Hon (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The claims settlement agent investigates and settles claims and is registered under the Insurance Act. The only thing the Leader of the Majority Party can do is to further amend it to read “as per the Insurance Act”. I...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 38. The Social Health Authority is not expected to have a surplus of funds as all funds will be expended towards provision of health services. 27th September 2023 NATIONAL...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 41 of the Bill be amended by deleting the proviso to sub-clause Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 44 of the Bill be amended by:

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 45 of the Bill be amended by— Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 46 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “Committee” wherever it...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) I beg to move: THAT, Clause 50 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause 2 (e) by deleting the words “which shall be within a period of one month from the date of submission of the claim”; The time-frame of settling claims ought to...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 52 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “risk spreading and”. The Social Health Insurance Fund, being a social Fund with one pool, is not supposed to provide enhanced schemes. As such, there...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the New Clause 49A be now read a Second Time. In 49A (1) , it says, “The court before which any person is convicted of an offence under this Act may, without prejudice to any civil...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the New Clause 49A be now read a Second Time. (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, proposed) Recovery of sums due under this Act Act. 27th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 87

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I wish to drop the amendment on (a) and b (i) (ii) , (iii) and retain amendment on (c) Paragraph 6. (Proposed amendment to (a) and b (i) , (ii) , and (iii) dropped)Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT,...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I oppose the amendment by Hon. Oluoch. The NHIF staff will not be affected by this new structure of the Authority. They will remain staff of NHIF for one year. During this period, the Authority will set up its...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule of the Bill be amended—

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Second Schedule to the Bill be amended by deleting sub-paragraph Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended— 27th September 2023 NATIONAL...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) We had said in the amendment we have already done that we are aligning it with the provisions of the Data Protection Act No.24 of Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) I beg to move: 27th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 40 Hon. (Dr)...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) I beg to move: THAT, Part III of the Bill be renumbered as Part IX of the Bill and be rearranged in accordance with the proper chronological sequence. This is just chronological sequencing. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be...

Hon (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) I think it is a good amendment. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put...

Hon (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) I want him to prosecute again. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Pukose, ask Hon. Melly to let you listen to Hon. Oluoch. Hon. Oluoch justify.

Hon (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebes, UDA) Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 11 of the Bill be amended by— Hon (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebes, UDA) Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 12 of the Bill be amended— Hon (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebes, UDA) Hon. Chairlady, I...

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Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 4 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) (c) by deleting the word “investing” appearing immediately after the word “receiving”; The Social Health Authority is not expected to have a surplus of funds. All...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA)

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Hon. T.J. Kajwang' has raised some issues about amendments, that there are amendments which might not have undergone public participation. You know that amendments are brought to this House by Members who have not participated in public participation and...

Hon (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, allow me to consult Hon. Oluoch. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Oluoch, in the spirit of give and take, would you please give the Chairperson an ear. Hon. Oluoch, what is the agreement?

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Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that New Clause 61A be now read a Second Time. This is to make provision to the existing Health Data Management frameworks in the country. (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, proposed) (Question,...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 52 of the Bill be amended— Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, Members of the Board of the Digital Health Agency are bound by the Constitution, the Data Protection Act No.24 of...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose Hon. Temporary Chairman, I reject the proposal by Hon. Anthony Oluoch to delete Clause 51 in its entirety because management of e-waste is key in terms of health information system. There is no conflict with the Sustainable Health Management Act No.31 of 2022. This is properly...

Hon (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by— Hon (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Yes. The amendment to Clause 2 is basically to align these definitions with the Health Act (No.21 of 2017) and provide for...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, Hon. Oundo has said that the Authority will have complaints coming within itself. In the fair administration of justice, you must exhaust the internal mechanisms that you have in place. We have also established a Dispute Tribunal appointed by the Judicial...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 6 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by—

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Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by—

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Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. T.J., I have deleted that requirement in Clause 14 of the CEO being an advocate of the High Court of Kenya. I have done that. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. Leader of the Majority Party, go ahead.

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 16 of the Bill be amended—

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 17 of the Bill be amended by inserting the words “upon the advice of the Salaries and Remuneration Commission” immediately after the word “determine”. This is to provide for the involvement of SRC which is...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, this Social Health Insurance Fund will get its money from the Exchequer. Parliament will appropriate its budget. If the Board needs to make any adjustments, then it must be done through a supplementary budget like for any other State organ, or...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) My fellow Chairman, normally, entities make their budgets based on the proposals they have and then take the same to the mother Ministry. Through the mother Ministry, the proposals come to Parliament for appropriation. From there, the entities can spend their money. I do...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 24 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “may” appearing immediately after the words “Cabinet Secretary” and substituting therefor the words “shall in consultation with the Board”. This proposal makes it mandatory for...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) My colleagues have prosecuted it. What we do not want is abuse of the scheme where you put little and spend more. This will deplete the Social Insurance Fund, and other people will not be able to access it.

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 26 of the Bill be amended by—

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Dawood is a third-term Member of Parliament, and he knows the process when he wants to travel to Schengen. For Meru, he does not need a visa. So, in all other countries where we travel, you must attach your medical insurance when applying...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (6) by deleting the word “ten” appearing immediately after the words “equal to” and substituting therefor the word “two”. The proposed penalty of 10 per cent for...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I reject that amendment because medical waste needs regulation which can be done by the Cabinet Secretary. Just a minute, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : As you put your thoughts together, let us have the Leader...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 48 of the Bill be amended by deleting the term “the” appearing in sub-clause (1) and substituting therefor the term “the”. Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is just to correct a minor error in drafting. (Question...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I reject the amendment by Hon. Oluoch. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : You cannot just reject. Give us the reasons. It is good to do so. (Laughter) Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) I oppose it. In paragraph (i)...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also want to thank Hon. Junet for being alert. I hope he will also be alert to the amendments sponsored by cartels. We want to streamline NHIF to be a transparent fund that offers services to our people....

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to thank the Members of my Committee, beginning with my Vice-Chair, Hon. Patrick Ntwiga Munene, Member for Chuka/Igambang'ombe, Hon. Martin Pepela, Hon. Cynthia Muge, Hon. Mary Maingi, Hon. Pauline Lenguris, Hon. Anthony Kibagendi, Hon. Bishop Titus Kamala,...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to second. Allow me to thank your Office and that of the Clerk for the immense support they have given the Departmental Committee on Health on the two Bills. I particularly want to mention the Director of Legal, Mr. Mwendwa,...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Junet. I have consulted with the Leader of the Majority Party. It is about ‘sponsoring of amendments.’ I am not talking of this or that side of the House. This House is alive to and is aware of the fact of...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also want to thank Hon. Junet for being alert. I hope he will also be alert to the amendments sponsored by cartels. We want to streamline NHIF to be a transparent fund that offers services to our people....

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to thank the Members of my Committee, beginning with my Vice-Chair, Hon. Patrick Ntwiga Munene, Member for Chuka/Igambang'ombe, Hon. Martin Pepela, Hon. Cynthia Muge, Hon. Mary Maingi, Hon. Pauline Lenguris, Hon. Anthony Kibagendi, Hon. Bishop Titus Kamala,...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to second. Allow me to thank your Office and that of the Clerk for the immense support they have given the Departmental Committee on Health on the two Bills. I particularly want to mention the Director of Legal, Mr. Mwendwa,...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Junet. I have consulted with the Leader of the Majority Party. It is about ‘sponsoring of amendments.’ I am not talking of this or that side of the House. This House is alive to and is aware of the fact of...

Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA) I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House: Reports of the Departmental Committee on Health on its consideration of: