Wilberforce Ojiambo Oundo

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, when I saw the proposal in the Bill, I was left wondering how enforceable it is. If it goes for an Initial Public Offer (IPO) and is listed on the Nairobi Stock Exchange, I do not know what miracles or safeguards...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: 8th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 59 Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM)THAT, Clause 29 of the Bill be amended in subclause (1) by deleting the word “eight” appearing immediately after the word “exceeding” and substituting therefore...

Hon (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want the Mover to listen very carefully. In Clause 25, the words used are 'reservations or proposed amendments'. In Clause 26

Hon (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Let me also join the Leader of the Majority Party in commending the drafters on the issue of, 'reservations or proposed amendments'. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, it speaks to the provisions and the spirit of Article 111 (5) where it was never intended that anybody...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I also have an amendment on the same, but now the amendment by the Committee fully addresses our concerns that we had in the Second Reading. I support. When it comes to my amendment, it will go on record that I...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is also a good amendment but, without anticipating debate, national security interests have not been defined in clause 2. Probably, it would be neater for clarity to clearly define. Otherwise, it will remain very amorphous and difficult to enforce. Probably...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) While I support the amendments because they open up to many categories of Kenyans, I do it with reservations because privatisation is an extremely technical process with a whole professional body to deal with it. I am going to use some derogatory statements. Opening...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Chairlady, we need your guidance because similarly, on clause 4, there is an amendment by the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning which seems similar. Then there is this amendment by the Public Debt and Privatisation Committee. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is a timely amendment. However, I must note that probably, it is a kind of over-legislation because the Capital Markets Act, the Competition Act, the Trade Remedies Act and a plethora of Acts already 8th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I second. (Question proposed)

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, perhaps, we need to seek their way of thinking with the Leader of the Majority Party because I had raised the issue of the definition of ‘national security interests’ when we were debating clause 21. I thought it would have been...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, New Clause 37A provides for instances where Parliament will extend the period of doing anything that was required for under the Act, for circumstances beyond its control or other emerging issues. The justification the Chairman has given is completely misplaced and...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, it is not true. Allow the Chairman and the Leader of the Majority Party to consult the technical team just for a second, so that we can get clarity. There seems to be a contradiction … The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) No. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : We did not get you. Go again.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Chairman, we need clarification in view of the amendments we made in Clause 10, which deleted possession of a degree in either economics, accounting, finance, or another relevant degree from a recognised institution or having 10 years of work experience, of which five shall...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, at least now we are a listening Parliament. We raised these concerns during the Second Reading and it is good that it has been addressed. My only point of discomfort was another layer. Privatisation is a timely assignment and the process...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I had actually wanted to move an amendment to the clause, but I hesitated because, many times, matters dealing with finance or money Bills require approval from the National Treasury. So, it might have been rejected. However, I think...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) This is a very well-thought-out amendment. We can probably go further. However, in the fullness of time, even where they have other companies that have got beneficial interest... Let me put it very clearly. For example, an entity that is beeing privatised has bought...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have dropped the amendments so that we can move on. (Proposed amendments by Hon. (Dr) Oundo dropped) (Question, that words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to) (Clause 35 as amended agreed to) Clause 36 The Temporary Chairlady...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I had a similar amendment. I am happy the Committee consulted widely and saw the need of having an interim or an initial evaluation report. An investment proposal without a valuation report is hoodwinking Kenyans. I have been in this space...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I hope the Cabinet Secretary is not distracted. Do not distract the Cabinet Secretary. Through you, I want to pass a message. Cabinet Secretary, the people of Funyula Constituency have asked me to sincerely thank you for gazetting Bumbe...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I am okay on this issue, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) That instead of these protracted tussles between the students and principals, the KNEC can send the results directly to the students. They can use eCitizen just like the way you get your birth certificate.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) You do not have to go through a place where you were born to get a birth certificate. Even if your mother left a bill where you were born, the certificate is not held. The Cabinet Secretary should consider sending the certificates directly to...

Hon (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you.It is gratifying to note that the Cabinet Secretary is considering alternative means of adjudication so that we do not continue punishing our children and burdening the parents to take kids very far distances. Probably we could also make it a policy to...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) As we said earlier, it seems the Cabinet Secretary is under-informed. I do not want to say misinformed. He is under-informed. Frantically, even as today morning, the sub-county director of education of Samia District told 8th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33 Hon. (Dr)...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to ask the Cabinet Secretary two questions. Number one is on the issue of capitation. There are many new schools that we have established through the National Government- Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) , which already have a...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Through you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, can the Cabinet assure this House and the people of Kenya that the reconciliations going to take place for the 2017/2021 CBA will be concluded early enough? Preferably, by the end of this week, so that the lecturers can...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, when you were in the House yesterday, Hon. Donya raised an issue. There was a suggestion that when the Cabinet Secretary comes here, we offer these suggestions to him, so that when he goes back to the office, he can review...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, we appreciate and respect your ruling because the speaker's ruling cannot be challenged.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I accept. Hon. Deputy Speaker, there are some matters of public interest that transcend an individual Member. These particular Questions are not domiciled to a particular constituency. They cannot be categorised as personal Questions that affect a particular constituency. We just seek your indulgence,...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me also comment on the NYOTA Programme. Our youth in this country who did not have the ability to go to universities and the premier colleges and those who are disposed towards entrepreneurship and business have been routinely...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to sympathise with my colleague because when road designs are made, they must accommodate every aspect of the road. Those of us who are old like you, remember the story of Kipipiri where electricity poles were dropped...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The beauty of our new Constitution is that any member of the public can petition Parliament on any matter falling under the sun. The Petition has raised pertinent issues. Many of us have listened to the Petition. We are,...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to be very clear from the onset. Unlike what my colleagues are alluding to, we are dealing 1st October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14 Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM)with a Sessional Paper. Our Report on a...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to support the Report by the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture. I commend the Committee for going into the archives and retrieving some long-standing issues in their Report here. Two issues require clarification...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. In view of what has happened in the recent past, where even boys who, simply, threw stones have been charged under the Terrorism Act, if the amendment passes as it is, it means that even on your phone, if...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Chair, I wish to join in support of the sentiments expressed by Hon. Dawood. Article 115 of the Constitution of Kenya has been routinely abused by subsequent presidents to assume the right to make laws, a right enshrined in the Constitution and vested fully...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I commend the Departmental Committee Chairperson for this timely amendment. To be honest, 25th September 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 18 Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM)police officers and other members of the disciplined forces seem to be going through...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, during the Second Reading, I cautioned my good friend, Hon. Aden, that he is preparing a rope that will hang him sooner than later by including the word “terrorism” in this Bill. We already have an Anti-Terrorism Act. Introducing “terrorism” here...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, while these amendments are laudable, I think we are being over-reactionary. I have always told young people that if you do not have thick skins, enough shock absorbers or a big heart, then do not join public space. Because whichever way,...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I second. (Question proposed)

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker…

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I just want to make a point. I commend Hon. Daudi. Many times, Members prepare Bills, but getting to this level is a herculean task. It is a long and rigorous process. We should encourage as many Members as possible to bring Bills, so...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) No, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am just saying that people in public spaces are not only here; they are also in the Executive, Judiciary, and among church leaders.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On that account…

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you. The devil does not come across my mind. In respect to what Members probably think I imputed the wrong motive…

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) It was never my intention and I withdraw that particular aspect. However, I want to make it very clear that everybody in this country is obliged to lead and live a straight life. As a community, we must not castigate or criminalise objective criticism,...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Truly, sometimes, it is an embarrassment to the people of Kenya. Members of Parliament are elected to represent, oversee and legislate. It baffles many of us how a Member of Parliament can fail to attend a sitting of the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. At the outset, let me stand to support the Bill, which seeks to grant county governments additional funds to undertake functions assigned to them in the Fourth Schedule and expressly stated in the Constitution. At the outset, let us...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to join my colleagues in thanking Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, the Member for the famous Westlands and probably the incoming governor, for bringing this subject matter to public debate. We have debated this matter for many years, since...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, given the time remaining before the session concludes, I recognise the significance of this Bill to the people of Kenya, particularly in rural areas. I respectfully request that, in your wisdom, the debate be adjourned to a later time so that...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On behalf of the people of Funyula Constituency, allow me to congratulate and sincerely thank the athletes who brought honour and fame to the people of Kenya. It was always refreshing and captivating to watch. Whenever I had time, I...

Order, Prof. Wilberforce

Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) From the outset, the Bill looks like an innocuous proposed amendment. However, it is an extremely important Bill. I am lucky that in Funyula Constituency, there is a registration section with very hardworking men and women who facilitate registration. I want to echo the...

Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to support the Bill that Hon. Martha Wangari has sponsored. If I do not support the Bill, I will lose some privileges that I have always had in some places. (Laughter) 14th August 2025...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me also stand in solidarity with my colleague Hon. Daudi Aden in supporting the Computer Misuse and Cybercrime (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.41 of 2024) . I come from a liberal world that is averse to censorship...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) But I am still on the Floor, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Perhaps the Bishop needs to pray for fathers to accept the outcomes of their endeavours so that they do not abandon their children's lives. With those many remarks, I support.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) As we now delve into registration details, as provided for in the Children’s Act and the Constitution, we must find a way to solve this conundrum. It is very traumatising for a child to go to school and be requested to produce a birth...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Bishop, for that clarification. Let me rephrase.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I join my colleagues in supporting the Motion for the consideration of nominees for appointment as Chairperson and Member of the National Police Service Commission of the Republic of Kenya. Hon. Temporary Speaker, the National Police Service (NPS) is...