George Peter Opondo Kaluma

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Member. The Temporary Speaker is on his feet. I am grateful, Hon. Members, for the interest demonstrated in this particular Motion. The Motion should be debated for three hours. I am informed that we have only debated it for one hour and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Julius Sunkuli. The Member for Marsabit County, Dr Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Seme, Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Member for Kanduyi, Hon. John Makali.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Makali, just before you sit, Article 40 speaks to the right to property. I am asking you this as a lawyer. One has the right to acquire, possess, abuse, misuse and dispose of property. There is also Article 68, to which you have...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You have indicated that you stood as a learned person.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Kericho County, Hon. Beatrice Kemei. You look very anxious to contribute. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Mpuru Aburi, Member for Tigania East. I hear you are a squatter.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Samburu County, Hon. Pauline Lenguris. Hon. Members, we have barely 10 minutes to the end of debate today. If you could use even fewer minutes, we will accommodate more.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice Elachi, are you on an intervention button or you want to contribute? Can you use less than three minutes?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)(Technical hitch)Let us have the Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Joseph Gitari. Is there a problem with the system there? It is barely audible.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Leah Sopiato, Member for Kajiado County. Let a pastoralist speak after a landlord. 16th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 50 (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The MP for West Mugirango, Hon Stephen Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member for Emuhaya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Omboko, you can move to the next microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Omboko Milemba. I wish Members can take that approach because the requests are very many against the time that we have. If you can make your point in five minutes, you do not have to use 10 minutes. Can...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Is the Member of Parliament (MP) for Runyenjes in the House; Hon. Eric Muchangi? Hon. Yusuf, Member for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Yussuf, for being brief. Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Joseph Gitari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gitaru, you should pursue such talks outside the House. Next is the Member for Masinga, Hon. Joshua Mwalyo. Is he in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. John Waweru, Dagoretti South MP.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Kiarie. The Member for Karachuonyo, Hon. Andrew Adipo Okuome.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Emgwen, Hon. Lelmengit. I am only giving you two minutes. I do not know whether you will make it because the Mover has reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Josses Lelmengit. Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo, Member for Rangwe Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo. Hon. Jessica Mbalu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Eric Muchangi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Muchangi. Where is Hon. Maina Mathenge? Is he in? He has left. So, Mover?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Hon. John Waweru.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. John Waweru. Hon. Members, I will defer the putting of the question on this Motion to an appropriate time when the House will be next siting, as requested by Hon. John Waweru under Standing Order 53 (3) . (Putting of the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The MP for West Mugirango, Hon Stephen Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Omboko Milemba, Member for Emuhaya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Omboko, you can move to the next microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Omboko Milemba. I wish Members can take that approach because the requests are very many against the time that we have. If you can make your point in five minutes, you do not have to use 10 minutes. Can...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Is the Member of Parliament (MP) for Runyenjes in the House; Hon. Eric Muchangi? Hon. Yusuf, Member for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Yussuf, for being brief. Member for Kirinyaga Central, Hon. Joseph Gitari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gitaru, you should pursue such talks outside the House. Next is the Member for Masinga, Hon. Joshua Mwalyo. Is he in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. John Waweru, Dagoretti South MP.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Kiarie. The Member for Karachuonyo, Hon. Andrew Adipo Okuome.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Emgwen, Hon. Lelmengit. I am only giving you two minutes. I do not know whether you will make it because the Mover has reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Josses Lelmengit. Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo, Member for Rangwe Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. (Dr.) Lilian Gogo. Hon. Jessica Mbalu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Eric Muchangi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Muchangi. Where is Hon. Maina Mathenge? Is he in? He has left. So, Mover?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Hon. John Waweru.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. John Waweru. Hon. Members, I will defer the putting of the question on this Motion to an appropriate time when the House will be next siting, as requested by Hon. John Waweru under Standing Order 53 (3) . (Putting of the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, we have less than ten minutes to go. If the next speakers could crunch time, it would help a lot. Hon. Nabii Nabwera, Member for Lugari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Let us have the Member for Ndia, Hon. George Kariuki.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you for the wise counsel, Hon. Naicca Johnson. I hope the proponents of the Bill are listening. Turudi kwa lugha ya Kiswahili. Nampatia fursa hii Mjumbe wa Subukia, Mhe. Samuel Gachobe, azungumzie mjadala huu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. George Gachagua, and congratulations on your election. Let us have Hon. Yussuf Mohammed, Member of Parliament for Wajir West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. John Bwire. For those who knew you before, like myself, you are a great addition to Parliament as a whole, not just the National Assembly. I wish you well as I congratulate you in this journey to join us in being...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Kimilu. Ndugu John Bwire, Mbunge wa Eneo Bunge la Taveta, ninaomba uturudishe kwenye lile gurudumu la lugha ya taifa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Those are great contributions. I hope the proponents of this constitutional amendment are taking notes. I cannot see them in the House. Are they here? They have run away. Hon. Kathambi Chepkwony.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you for those passionate contributions. I hope the nation has been watching and listening to Hon. Kathambi. Is Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi in the House? (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Member. I will give you a minute. Hon. Gachobe,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I just wanted to notify you if you were leaving. You have waited for far for too long. You are very close to speaking. You may continue. I will add her an additional minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana. Tuendelee kwa hiyo lugha kidogo. Nataka Mhe. Rashid Bedzimba, Mbunge wa Kisauni, aendelee vivyo hivyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ahsante sana, Mhe. Rashid. Tunaye Mhe. Janet Sitienei, Mjumbe wa Eneo Bunge la Turbo. Tuendelee katika Kiswahili, dada.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Sitienei Janet for those educative words and your generosity to Members. I think this is the trend we should continue with so that as many Members as possible can talk. We are honoured to be with the Chair of the Committee...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Nyoro, you did not address the House on the proposed Oversight Fund. I assume those are the matters you have indicated you could discuss with the proponents separately. We take your word seriously because when you speak, the Government is speaking. Do you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, Member for Kiharu. Thank you for the good work you are doing with NG-CDF. I would request the new Members of Parliament to visit Kiharu Constituency if they want to check on how transformative to society the NG-CDF or...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Sigor, Hon. Peter Lochakapong. 8th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 63

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Lochakapong. I am very sorry you have used only one minute. You will have nine minutes the next time the House will sit to discuss this matter. My regret is also to Hon. Edwin Gichuki. I do not know whether he is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Your nomination was truly merited. Hon. Joshua Kimilu, Member for Kaiti Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Tonui, I hope our new colleagues are learning something from the old colleagues like you in terms of how we are generous with time once we put in our points. Let us have Hon. Dorothy Ikiara, Nominated Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana ndugu Mawathe kwa mawaidha hayo. Umenena vyema. Tuko na dada Phylis Bartoo, Mjumbe wa Moiben. Ni nafasi yake kunena.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Gachobe. Let us have Hon. Julius Mawathe, MP for Embakasi South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gachobe, did you require more time? You were just going into a point which should be relayed more strongly than by one sentence as you are doing in a rush. Even in my constituency, students have been sent back home, majorly by extra-county...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, Member for Masinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, we have less than ten minutes to go. If the next speakers could crunch time, it would help a lot. Hon. Nabii Nabwera, Member for Lugari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Let us have the Member for Ndia, Hon. George Kariuki.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you for the wise counsel, Hon. Naicca Johnson. I hope the proponents of the Bill are listening. Turudi kwa lugha ya Kiswahili. Nampatia fursa hii Mjumbe wa Subukia, Mhe. Samuel Gachobe, azungumzie mjadala huu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. George Gachagua, and congratulations on your election. Let us have Hon. Yussuf Mohammed, Member of Parliament for Wajir West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. John Bwire. For those who knew you before, like myself, you are a great addition to Parliament as a whole, not just the National Assembly. I wish you well as I congratulate you in this journey to join us in being...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Kimilu. Ndugu John Bwire, Mbunge wa Eneo Bunge la Taveta, ninaomba uturudishe kwenye lile gurudumu la lugha ya taifa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Those are great contributions. I hope the proponents of this constitutional amendment are taking notes. I cannot see them in the House. Are they here? They have run away. Hon. Kathambi Chepkwony.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you for those passionate contributions. I hope the nation has been watching and listening to Hon. Kathambi. Is Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi in the House? (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Member. I will give you a minute. Hon. Gachobe,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I just wanted to notify you if you were leaving. You have waited for far for too long. You are very close to speaking. You may continue. I will add her an additional minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana. Tuendelee kwa hiyo lugha kidogo. Nataka Mhe. Rashid Bedzimba, Mbunge wa Kisauni, aendelee vivyo hivyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ahsante sana, Mhe. Rashid. Tunaye Mhe. Janet Sitienei, Mjumbe wa Eneo Bunge la Turbo. Tuendelee katika Kiswahili, dada.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Sitienei Janet for those educative words and your generosity to Members. I think this is the trend we should continue with so that as many Members as possible can talk. We are honoured to be with the Chair of the Committee...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Nyoro, you did not address the House on the proposed Oversight Fund. I assume those are the matters you have indicated you could discuss with the proponents separately. We take your word seriously because when you speak, the Government is speaking. Do you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, Member for Kiharu. Thank you for the good work you are doing with NG-CDF. I would request the new Members of Parliament to visit Kiharu Constituency if they want to check on how transformative to society the NG-CDF or...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Member for Sigor, Hon. Peter Lochakapong. 8th November 2022 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 63

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Lochakapong. I am very sorry you have used only one minute. You will have nine minutes the next time the House will sit to discuss this matter. My regret is also to Hon. Edwin Gichuki. I do not know whether he is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Your nomination was truly merited. Hon. Joshua Kimilu, Member for Kaiti Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Tonui, I hope our new colleagues are learning something from the old colleagues like you in terms of how we are generous with time once we put in our points. Let us have Hon. Dorothy Ikiara, Nominated Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana ndugu Mawathe kwa mawaidha hayo. Umenena vyema. Tuko na dada Phylis Bartoo, Mjumbe wa Moiben. Ni nafasi yake kunena.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Gachobe. Let us have Hon. Julius Mawathe, MP for Embakasi South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gachobe, did you require more time? You were just going into a point which should be relayed more strongly than by one sentence as you are doing in a rush. Even in my constituency, students have been sent back home, majorly by extra-county...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Joshua Mwalyo, Member for Masinga.