George Peter Opondo Kaluma

Hon. Peter Kaluma Hon. Shabbir, what time are you worried about?

Hon. Peter Kaluma Hon Shakeel, never worry about time when you want to speak and I am on the Chair. Proceed.

Hon. Peter Kaluma Hon. Shakeel Shabbir, because of your stand on matters of integrity and corruption, and given that you are discussing debt, you have two more minutes.

Hon. Peter Kaluma Thank you, Hon. Shakeel Shabbir. Member for Gichugu, Hon. Gichimu Githinji, Senior Counsel. Thank you for your patience. You have been waiting for too long.

Hon. Peter Kaluma Order, Hon. Gichimu. Did the Member for Roysambu want to contribute to this? The Member who is now going out. 22nd February 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43

Hon. Peter Kaluma Did the Member for Kieni want to contribute to this? He is speaking from within Parliament. Let him go. Proceed, Hon. Gichimu. He has been quite patient for the entire afternoon, but I do not know whether he wanted to contribute to this.

Hon. Peter Kaluma Give him ex debito justitiae two minutes. That is a language only understood by Hon. Githinji and myself.

Hon. Peter Kaluma You will have two minutes ex debito justitiae as a matter of justice. I am interpreting it for the Chair of the Committee to understand. You, therefore, have two minutes from the time I finish speaking. Hon. Gichimu Githinji (Gichugu, UDA) : Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker....

Hon. Peter Kaluma Thank you very much. Hon. Esther Passaris, Member of Parliament for Nairobi County.

Hon. Peter Kaluma The point has been made Hon. Esther Passaris. Let us have Hon. Gideon Ochanda, the Member for Bondo.