Hansard Summary

The afternoon Senate sitting was dominated by procedural exchanges, with the Speaker and several senators seeking and scheduling pending committee statements on issues such as the suspension of new commercial bank licences, road projects in Kisii County, and teachers’ salaries. While some gratitude was expressed, the debate highlighted delays in obtaining signed statements and the need to reconvene the following week to resolve outstanding matters. Senators debated the imminent visit of Pope Francis, urging the House to adjourn so members could attend the State House reception. While some praised the Pope’s moral leadership, others used the moment to condemn corruption, label certain officials as "economic terrorists," and raise concerns about freedom of conscience. Procedural interruptions highlighted tensions between the majority and opposition over the scope of the debate. The Senate session focused on procedural disputes over which members may issue official statements, particularly concerning the role of the Minority Leader and committee chairs. Senators raised points of order about delays in receiving statements and the constitutional basis for government representation, prompting the Speaker to call for clarification. The debate highlighted tensions between majority and minority sides over parliamentary protocol.

Sentimental Analysis

Mixed

THE PARLIAMENT OF KENYA

THE SENATE

THE HANSARD

November 25, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

PARLIAMENT OF KENYA

Wednesday, 25th November, 2015

[The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro) in the Chair]

STATEMENTS

NON-PAYMENT OF SEPTEMBER SALARIES TO TEACHERS

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Hon. Senators, let us begin with the statement listed as (A) . Is the Chairperson, Committee on Education present? We will come back to this statement.

Let us move on to the next statement. You may proceed, Chairman, Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations.

KILLING OF TWO YOUTHS IN KAJIADO COUNTY BY KWS RANGERS

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the statement is not ready. We will issue it next week.

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

What do you have to say, Sen. Mositet?

Bw. Spika, jana Naibu wa Mwenyeketi alitueleza kwamba tutapata arifa hii lakini Mwenyekiti ameomba nafasi nyingine ili ailete wiki ijayo. Kama nilivyo sema familia za wale vijana ambao waliuawa kinyama wana mshtuko sana kwa sababu mpaka leo hawajui Serikali imefikisha wapi uchunguzi. Pia hawajui watapata haki yao lini.

Kulingana na vile Mwenyekiti amesema, pia anaingoja arifa hii kutoka kwa Wizara ili aweze kutuelezea. Hata kama ningetaka kumpinga, hana mamlaka mpaka aiongoje arifa. Lakini naomba kwamba ile Wizara inayohusika ihakikishe kwamba wakati tunapouliza---

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Order, Senator! The statement will be issued on Wednesday, next week.

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GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE ON ROADS IN KAJIADO COUNTY

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am the one who sought the statement. We have the Members of the Committee led by the Senate Minority Leader. I know he has the statement. Maybe he can tell us the way he wants us to go. I saw it today and, therefore, I have not even interrogated it. There are quite a number of pages to go through.

The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I know I belong to the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget, but as a matter of principle, I cannot possibly issue a statement on behalf of the Government that I interrogate.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. That is a great statement coming from the Senate Majority Leader. I respect the statement that he interrogates Government and, therefore, cannot issue a statement on its behalf. However, lately, we have had lots of statements from the Vice Chairpersons from the Minority side when they are supposed to interrogate the Government. The Senate Minority Leader has just made a great statement.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I know I belong to the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget, but as a matter of principle, I cannot possibly issue a statement on behalf of the Government that I interrogate.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. That is a great statement coming from the Senate Majority Leader. I respect the statement that he interrogates Government and, therefore, cannot issue a statement on its behalf. However, lately, we have had lots of statements from the Vice Chairpersons from the Minority side when they are supposed to interrogate the Government. The Senate Minority Leader has just made a great statement.

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Order, Sen. Kembi-Gitura! What is out of order in making a great statement?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is a great statement because there has been an issue in this House on whether or not a statement from the Government can be issued from the Minority side. We have received statements as late as yesterday from the leadership of the Minority in this House. That is an issue the Speaker needs to look into and give direction because it is fundamental.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir! I do not agree with the Deputy Speaker. Perhaps, we need to define the Government. We should look at what the Constitution constitutes.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not agree with the Deputy Speaker. When we have the opposition side issuing statements, it is normally done by the Vice Chairpersons of Committees who do it in the absence of the Chairpersons. However, in this case, Sen. Wetangula is the Senate Leader of Minority, therefore, his statement carries a lot of weight.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Senate Minority Leader is a Member of a Committee and operates as a Member of the Committee at that level. The question was directed to the Committee. Is he now foregoing the responsibility of a membership of that Committee?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we need to think more deeply about the issue raised by Sen. Kembi-Gitura. Should you find that the Senate Minority Leader cannot issue a statement on behalf of the Government, then it means we should also

November 25, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the statement has just been handed over. Maybe you can dispose of the points of order first then deal with it later. The Senate Minority Leader (

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you very much for agreeing with me.

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

The Deputy Speaker is in a very good mood of being grateful today. He was grateful to the Senate Minority Leader for making a major statement. Now, he is very grateful to the Chair.

What is it, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., in response to Sen. Mositet?

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My understanding is that Sen. Mositet is not ready to prosecute that particular statement; in a way, you agree with him. You may have no problems with tables, but that might be his source of grief. So, let us give him an opportunity to learn the tables. The statement should come next Wednesday.

Next Statement.

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

The Deputy Speaker is in a very good mood of being grateful today. He was grateful to the Senate Minority Leader for making a major statement. Now, he is very grateful to the Chair.

What is it, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., in response to Sen. Mositet?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have just been given the statement and it appears to be brief. I do not know the position of Sen. Mositet. However, since facts and figures do not lie and there is a schedule, I am not sure whether Sen. Mositet will not be in good state to allow me to read before he could interrogate it in future.

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

My understanding is that Sen. Mositet is not ready to prosecute that particular statement; in a way, you agree with him. You may have no problems with tables, but that might be his source of grief. So, let us give him an opportunity to learn the tables. The statement should come next Wednesday.

Next Statement.

STATUS OF NYS PROJECTS IN THE COUNTRY

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

November 25, 2015 SENATEDEBATES SUSPENSION OF NEW COMMERCIAL BANKS LICENSING BY THE CBK GOVERNOR

Vice Chairperson, Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget.

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I know that the Senate plans to go on recess next week, but we will try to push and see whether we could give the answer next week on Thursday.

November 25, 2015 SENATEDEBATES SUSPENSION OF NEW COMMERCIAL BANKS LICENSING BY THE CBK GOVERNOR

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Vice Chairperson, Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget.

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The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Is the Chair not here?

STATUS OF MOGONGA-KENYENYA-ETAGO -KAMAGAMBO ROAD IN KISII COUNTY

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) (b) to seek a statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Roads and Transportation, regarding Mogonga-Kenyenya-Etago-Kamagambo Road in Kisii County. In the statement, the Chairperson should:-

November 25, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

It is so ordered.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I apologise to the Chair and the House for coming in late. I know two of the statements to be issued were sought by me. I am aware that you have directed that one of the statements be issued next week on Tuesday and I am glad about that. However, there is the first one, which I listened to you on radio saying that you will come back to it; that is, Statement (A) .

Is the Chairperson, Committee on Education not here? What about the Vice Chairperson, Sen. Mohamud?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was informed by the Committee clerk that the statement is ready, but it had not been signed by the Cabinet Secretary (CS) . The clerk was looking for the Principal Secretary (PS) to sign it. Up to now, it has not been signed. I promise to report progress next week on Tuesday.

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Sen. Khaniri, are you okay with Tuesday, next week?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I oblige. However, you ordered that the Chairperson must avail himself and deliver the statement, because of the urgency of the matter to do with teachers’ salaries. I guess we have no choice, but to wait for Tuesday, next week, so that we can prosecute the Statement.

Thank you.

NON-PAYMENT OF SEPTEMBER SALARIES TO TEACHERS

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Is the Chairperson, Committee on Education not here? What about the Vice Chairperson, Sen. Mohamud?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was informed by the Committee clerk that the statement is ready, but it had not been signed by the Cabinet Secretary (CS) . The clerk was looking for the Principal Secretary (PS) to sign it. Up to now, it has not been signed. I promise to report progress next week on Tuesday.

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Sen. Khaniri, are you okay with Tuesday, next week?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I oblige. However, you ordered that the Chairperson must avail himself and deliver the statement, because of the urgency of the matter to do with teachers’ salaries. I guess we have no choice, but to wait for Tuesday, next week, so that we can prosecute the Statement.

Thank you.

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Sen. Halima, we hope that the Committee will fast- track this particular matter.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I know I walked in late, but I was following the proceedings on radio. I listened very carefully to your ruling, where you said that Parliament is part of the Government. Is the Senate Minority Leader, my elder brother Sen. Wetangula, in order to go against your own ruling?

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Order, Sen. Khaniri! You must have been navigating the Nairobi traffic. You only heard one aspect, but you did not hear the conclusion. I finally agreed with the Senate Minority Leader that he is perfectly in order to do it. By virtue of his position, it will not look proper for him to respond.

Proceed, Senate Minority Leader. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.45, this is to present the Senate Business for the coming week, Tuesday 1st December, 2015.

The RBC will meet on Tuesday, 1st December, 2015 at 12 noon to schedule business of the Senate for the week. Subject to further direction by the RBC, the Senate will continue with business that was not concluded this week, focusing on debate on Bills at the Second Reading stage and the Committee of the Whole.

The House will also consider the President’s Memorandum on the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Bill (National Assembly Bill No.40 of 2014) and the Public Audit Bill (National Assembly Bill No.38 of 2014) .

In addition, the following Bills will be scheduled for Second Reading and the Committee of the Whole. Bills for Second Reading are:- 1) The County Attorney Bill (Senate Bill No.37 of 2014) – Division. 2) The County Governments Disaster Management Bill (Senate Bill No.40 of 2014) – Division. 3) The Kenya National Examinations Council (KNEC) (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bill No.7 of 2015) – Division. 4) The Preservation of Human Dignity and Enforcement of Economic and Social Rights Bill (Senate Bill No.8 of 2015) – Division.

November 25, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Order, Senators! I support the appeal made by the Senate Minority Leader in reading that statement on behalf of the RBC. Next week will be a very critical week for us. I direct that all of you be present so that we can transact the business.

BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 1 STDECEMBER, 2015

(Laughter)
The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Order, Senators! That is the end of that particular statement. Let us go back to Order No.5 – Papers.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.45, this is to present the Senate Business for the coming week, Tuesday 1st December, 2015. The RBC will meet on Tuesday, 1st December, 2015 at 12 noon to schedule business of the Senate for the week. Subject to further direction by the RBC, the Senate will continue with business that was not concluded this week, focusing on debate on Bills at the Second Reading stage and the Committee of the Whole. The House will also consider the President’s Memorandum on the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Bill (National Assembly Bill No.40 of 2014) and the Public Audit Bill (National Assembly Bill No.38 of 2014) . In addition, the following Bills will be scheduled for Second Reading and the Committee of the Whole. Bills for Second Reading are:- 1) The County Attorney Bill (Senate Bill No.37 of 2014) – Division. 2) The County Governments Disaster Management Bill (Senate Bill No.40 of 2014) – Division. 3) The Kenya National Examinations Council (KNEC) (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bill No.7 of 2015) – Division. 4) The Preservation of Human Dignity and Enforcement of Economic and Social Rights Bill (Senate Bill No.8 of 2015) – Division.

November 25, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Order, Senators! I support the appeal made by the Senate Minority Leader in reading that statement on behalf of the RBC. Next week will be a very critical week for us. I direct that all of you be present so that we can transact the business.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, with your permission, I beg to give notice of the following Motions:-

(Laughter)
The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Order, Senators! That is the end of that particular statement. Let us go back to Order No.5 – Papers.

PAPERS LAID

REPORTS OF VARIOUS SESSIONS OF THE ACP PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY AND THE ACP-EU JOINT PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY

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NOTICES OF MOTIONS

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise under Standing Order No.31 on the Adjournment of the Senate. I move that the Senate do now adjourn.

As my colleague Senators are aware, His Holiness Pope Francis is coming to this country. This is the first time that he will visit any country in Africa since his papacy began. Kenya is honoured that the Holy Father would be visiting Kenya for the first time in his papacy. He has already left Fiumicino Airport in Italy. He is expected to arrive in Nairobi at 5.00 p.m. As my colleagues are aware, Senators and Members of Parliament across the board regardless of religion or faith are invited to the reception with the Holy Father at State House at 5.00 p.m. today.

This is a great moment for all us because this is a world renowned leader. It is such a situation that even if it was another religious leader coming to visit our country, be it Islam, Hindu or any internationally recognised leader, and we are invited for a reception to be with him at State House or any other place, most of us would feel obliged to attend that kind of reception because the world is moving more and more to a closer relationship amongst nations, states and faiths.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this reason and without saying too much about it, I request under Standing Order No.31 that this House do now adjourn, discuss this issue as a matter of national importance, and then, adjourn in good time so that those who wish to attend the reception at State House at 5.00 p.m. may do so.

Having said that, I am not a Catholic but I appreciate the position that the Holy Father holds in matters of faith in this country. I welcome and invite all my colleagues from all the faiths to find it fit to attend the reception this evening at State House, so that we, as a nation and as a country, may welcome the Holy Father’s visit to our country

NOTING OF THE REPORT OF THE 38 TH SESSION OF THE ACP PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY AND THE 29 TH SESSION OF THE ACP-EU JOINT PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY

NOTING OF THE REPORT OF THE 37 TH SESSION OF THE ACP PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY AND INTERCESSIONAL MEETINGS OF THE ACP-EU JOINT PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY

Hon. Senators, you may resume your seats.

Order, Senators; before I propose the Question, let me allow Order No.8, which is just the First Reading to be conducted, and then, we proceed with this Motion.

(Laughter)

November 25, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Order, Senators! We will all appreciate that we had actually gone through all those Orders and concluded Order No.7. Sen. Kembi-Gitura had canvassed with the Chair to table that particular document because it reached him after the Orders had already been read. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, if you recall, he laid the Papers and also requested the Speaker to allow him to proceed with the other Order of giving notices of Motion.

Just because it was not called out, he was properly seized of the matter and the Chair allowed. You know sometimes we allow these things by leave of the House. When you do not challenge, then you have allowed. That is also in our Standing Orders. So, I am unable to throw out Sen. Kembi-Gitura.

MOTION OF ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER NO.31 ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE IN HONOUR OF THE STATE VISIT BY HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise under Standing Order No.31 on the Adjournment of the Senate. I move that the Senate do now adjourn.

As my colleague Senators are aware, His Holiness Pope Francis is coming to this country. This is the first time that he will visit any country in Africa since his papacy began. Kenya is honoured that the Holy Father would be visiting Kenya for the first time in his papacy. He has already left Fiumicino Airport in Italy. He is expected to arrive in Nairobi at 5.00 p.m. As my colleagues are aware, Senators and Members of Parliament across the board regardless of religion or faith are invited to the reception with the Holy Father at State House at 5.00 p.m. today.

This is a great moment for all us because this is a world renowned leader. It is such a situation that even if it was another religious leader coming to visit our country, be it Islam, Hindu or any internationally recognised leader, and we are invited for a reception to be with him at State House or any other place, most of us would feel obliged to attend that kind of reception because the world is moving more and more to a closer relationship amongst nations, states and faiths.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this reason and without saying too much about it, I request under Standing Order No.31 that this House do now adjourn, discuss this issue as a matter of national importance, and then, adjourn in good time so that those who wish to attend the reception at State House at 5.00 p.m. may do so.

Having said that, I am not a Catholic but I appreciate the position that the Holy Father holds in matters of faith in this country. I welcome and invite all my colleagues from all the faiths to find it fit to attend the reception this evening at State House, so that we, as a nation and as a country, may welcome the Holy Father’s visit to our country

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The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Hon. Senators, you may resume your seats.

Order, Senators; before I propose the Question, let me allow Order No.8, which is just the First Reading to be conducted, and then, we proceed with this Motion.

THE PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 35 OF 2014)

The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro)

Order, Senators. Let me now propose the Question. (Question proposed) The Senate Minority Leader (

On a point of order Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. When we were adjourning to go and welcome our visitor, Pope, I thought we were going to confine our debate to the visit. I am so surprised when you hear the opposition side complaining. I think it is wise for them to do a memorandum if they have a problem and, may be, find a way they can hand it over to the relevant authority. It is so pathetic to stand every time and accuse the Government on every issue. What Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is talking about is not related to the Motion that is before this House. Is the Senator in order?

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[The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro) left the Chair]
[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mositet) took the Chair]

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Thank you Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to thank the Deputy Speaker for moving this House to adjourn. I rise to strongly support his Motion. Allow me to welcome the Pope to the great Republic of Kenya. How I wish that the Pope had enough time not just to be in Nairobi, but to also make his way to Mukumu where the oldest mission of the Catholic Church is with its rich history and how Catholicism has grown not just in western Kenya but in the rest of the country.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Pope is a holy and loved man. He is a man who has demonstrated in the few years he has been in leadership that he embraces and respects freedom of conscience. This is a time when some of our colleagues led by Sen. Muthama are being haunted by the State because of exercising freedom of conscience. I hope that the State machinery, especially the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and Coordination, Maj-Gen

Joseph Nkaissery who has been sending threatening messages to the opposition leaders - it will prick his conscience that even the Pope respects and embraces freedom of conscience.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to ask the Pope to pray for Kenya and Kenyans. More importantly, the Pope should pray for the economic terrorists that we have in this country. Economic terrorists are busy terrorizing this country. You hear stories of Kshs791 million having been stolen through the National Youth Service where a biro pen was being bought at Kshs8, 700.

As the economic terrorists who also sit in higher office do this, they are completely ignorant of how innocent poor Kenyans are dying in villages because of lack of medication, lack of clean water and lack of food. We have tried to fight them by speaking to the issue of corruption but they are not listening. Probably, when the Pope prays, they might listen to the prayer.

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The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mositet)

Order Senator. I want us to confine ourselves to the Motion. Confine yourself to Standing Order No. 31 (3) .

Thank you Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I was just saying that the Pope should remember to pray for the economic terrorists.

We love peace and people cannot be expected to be peaceful when they are hungry and live in abject poverty. We want to appeal to the President - I was glad to hear that he is a Catholic like me - to extend the fight against bad governance not just through pronouncements at State speeches but into actual practice.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, finally, as we prepare to go to State House this afternoon, I want to remind the protocol at the State House that State House is our House. It is not a House that belongs to an individual. We, therefore, expect that as we go there, protocol is going to be upheld. I had an opportunity to attend the inauguration ceremony of President Uhuru Kenyatta at Kasarani Stadium and there was no protocol. We arrived there as Senators and we were thrown in some corner of the stadium and we regretted why we went there. I hope that now when we go to State House, some busy people will not abuse protocol and then ---

On a point of order Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. When we were adjourning to go and welcome our visitor, Pope, I thought we were going to confine our debate to the visit. I am so surprised when you hear the opposition side complaining. I think it is wise for them to do a memorandum if they have a problem and, may be, find a way they can hand it over to the relevant authority. It is so pathetic to stand every time and accuse the Government on every issue. What Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is talking about is not related to the Motion that is before this House. Is the Senator in order?

Thank you Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. It is precisely because of this kind of attitude that, may be, time for prayer has come. They say: The more things change, the more they remain the same. Some of us remember during the many years of the struggle, a politician from the young Senator’s community saying in Nakuru that anybody who will be seen lifting two fingers, those fingers will be chopped off. Power is even starting to get into her head as early as now.

The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mositet)

Order, Senator! Please, confine yourself to the Motion before the House.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I was actually concluding on the important issue of protocol at Kasarani Stadium. If we are going to State House to be humiliated, then we better not go. Since the Government is in the habit of humiliating leaders, as evidenced by the incident where I was humiliated at home, I had to say it so that they know that I am going to our State House and not the home of the President.

I beg to support.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for allowing me to commend the Mover of the Motion and join my colleagues in welcoming the man of God. Kenya has been honoured and privileged to welcome a number of dignitaries this

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The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mositet)

Hon. Senators, since there are quite a number of you who want to contribute, please, try to limit your contributions, so that you can have ample time to drive to State House.

Sen. (Prof.) Lesan!

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I wish to also join my colleagues in congratulating Sen. Kembi-Gitura for moving this Motion of Adjournment. This country is privileged to have been visited by dignitaries, one of whom is Pope Francis. Such dignitaries carry a message. I am sure that the Pope will deliver a message to us.

I am sure that one of the messages that he will deliver is to do with the environment. I have heard him before making comments about the preservation of the environment. This is, perhaps, one of the very important things that we should constantly be reminded about. We should conserve the environment so that we continue to stay in the “Garden of Eden.”

I welcome the Pope to this country which has many Catholics. We also appreciate the contribution that the Catholic Church has made in this country, particularly in terms of developing education institutions. Most Kenyans in leadership positions have gone through such institutions. The point of convergence at the moment is to welcome the Pope and pray together with him. Those who pray together shall be comforted, healed and will prosper.

I support the Motion of Adjournment and urge all Kenyans, irrespective of their faith to welcome the Pope and share together until he leaves the country.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to speak as a Muslim. In fact, I can say for a fact that Pope Francis has transcended what I can call “religious fault lines”

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Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me a chance to also support this Motion of Adjournment. As a Christian who was born Catholic and now Pentecostal, I think this is a very good opportunity for us to receive the Pope. It is a message from God that Kenya is not forgotten. We still have a chance to heal and get peace.

We should be inspired to receive the Pope and pray together as a country. We should pray for peace, love and togetherness. The Pope is not coming to sanctify the Jubilee Government but to pray for our country so that we can move together in peace, love and unity. As leaders of this country, we should welcome him in a loving and kind way.

Thank you.

The Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 1st December, 2015, at 2.30 p.m.

The Senate rose at 3.50 p.m.

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Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion for Adjournment. We all pray to one God. I studied Christian Religious Education (CRE) and the only difference between Muslims and Christians is the New Testament. The Old Testament and the Quran is one and the same. The prayer that will be offered by the Pope will be acceptable before God. We appreciate the honour given to us by the Pope. I hope that this particular time, when we need prayers as a country, the Pope will pray for love, peace and unity in this country. The Almighty God will touch our hearts, so that we can be unified as a country and work together for a better future.

With those few remarks, I beg to support.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I also support the Motion for Adjournment in honour of the Pope. It would have been more proper for us to adjourn and head to State House, but because this is a House of records, I wish to go on record that I supported this Motion.

I consider the Pope to be a great man and as a nation we will learn from his humility. We have got a lot of differences as a nation. There are those of us who have the opinion that certain things could be done better, but I urge the entire nation to unite, have a sense of purpose and reap some points from this moment because we will be in the global limelight. The brand value that we will get out of the Pope’s visit will be difficult for a nation that is suffering a cash crunch to attain.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, let us take advantage of the Pope’s visit to reposition ourselves and create visibility in the global market place, but let it not be a temporary truce. I hope that the Pope will pray for this nation to bring about meaningful reconciliation and understanding. I also hope that in his prayer he will wake up those

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The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mositet)

Sen. Kembi-Gitura, reply as a matter of procedure.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I take this opportunity to thank my colleagues for supporting the Motion for Adjournment. What has made me feel humbled, like I said when moving the Motion, is that it is bi-partisan and cuts across religious beliefs. Our colleagues, who are Muslims, have contributed very effectively to this Motion in support of the papal visit to Kenya. Like my colleagues, including Sen. Francis Wetangula, have said in their contributions, Pope Francis is an extremely unusual Pope; at least for those of us that have been following him.

On Friday, he will give a speech on climate change at Gigiri, which will be the first time that a Pope has discussed issues of climate change. This has ruffled a lot of feathers across the world, particularly in the so-called First World. It is important we discuss the issues that are before the world, from a perspective of faith, love and knowing that we must co-exist north, south, east and west, because we are custodians of one world given to us by God to nurture.

Sen. Adan has said that there is no difference in religion because, at the end of the day, we pray to and believe in the same God. It is for the greater glory of our country that we must stand together at moments like this, realizing that the Pope’s visit should help us, as a people, to heal the wounds that often seem or tend to divide us as a nation.

We are a prayerful nation and we have been going through prayers for our nation. I believe that the visit by the Pope will enhance the prayerfulness of this nation as we pray not just for ourselves, but particularly for the children of this great nation who aspire to grow up in a beautiful country and at one time become part and parcel of this great country, not just in its leadership but in the struggles that we go through every day to make it a better place to live in.

With those few remarks, I am grateful for the opportunity and for the support by my colleagues; that we adjourn to Tuesday of next week, so that everyone can attend the Papal reception at State House this evening. All of us should come together and welcome our great visitor, Pope Francis.

Thank you.

ADJOURNMENT

The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mositet)

The Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 1st December, 2015, at 2.30 p.m.

The Senate rose at 3.50 p.m.