Wednesday, 25th June 2025

Hon. Members, let us proceed. First Order.

The Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Before I lay the Papers, I would like to inform Hon. Maj (Rtd) Waluke on a matter of procedure. As much as he is a retired Major, he cannot march behind the Serjeant-at-Arms when they are retreating. They are supposed to march back on their own without any escort.

I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

The next Paper is by Hon. Mwirigi. Where is he? He is not in. Next Order. Hon. Members, with your concurrence, allow me to skip Order No.7 and move to Order No.8. We shall come back to Order No.7 later.

Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to move the following Procedural Motion:

THAT, this House resolves to exempt the business appearing as Order Nos.11, 12, 13 and 14 in today’s Order Paper from the provisions of Standing Order 40 (3) , being a Wednesday Morning, a day allocated for business not sponsored by the Majority or Minority Party or business sponsored by a Committee. This is a Procedural Motion to allow us to transact on important Government business on a Wednesday morning. This day is usually allocated for private Members’ Motions. I request Hon. Pukose to second.

Proceed, Hon. Pukose.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I second.

Put the question.

Thank you, Hon. Members. I will now put the question.

consulted with the Clerks-at-the-Table) Give us a moment. There are some ongoing consultations. Next Order.

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Yes, Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, for the convenience of the House and record purposes, the Procedural Motion that we just moved should have read Orders Nos. 11, 12, and 13, as there is a Supplementary Order Paper from the Clerk’s Office. The Clerks-at-the-Table ought to be more diligent than they are this morning. This is because they had that Supplementary Order Paper, but none of us did. They did not notify the Speaker or me.

I also realised that my Order Paper only reads Orders Nos. 11, 12 and 13. Allow me to retake the Question and mention Order No.14. Hon. Members, should we retake it? Hon. Members, allow me to put the Question again.

The Leader of the Majority Party needs to move the Motion again.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion:

THAT, this House resolves to exempt the business appearing as Order Nos. 11, 12, 13 and 14 in today’s Order Paper from the provisions of Standing Order 40 (3) , being a Wednesday Morning, a day allocated for business not sponsored by the Majority or Minority Party or Business sponsored by a Committee. I beg to move and request Hon. Pukose to second.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I second.

Hon. Members, I think we are moving too fast.

Put the Question!

The earlier Order will then be expunged. Let us proceed.

the duty of the Government to provide a reliable transport system for efficient traffic management, economic development and bolstering interconnectivity among all regions in the country and beyond; now therefore, this House resolves that the Government, through the Ministry of Roads and Transport, undertakes an expansion programme of national trunk roads with a view of upgrading all classes A, B and C roads in the country from two-way lanes to dual carriageway (one- way roads) with the necessary infrastructure that include footbridges, safe crossing zones at regular intervals, proper drainage systems, and other requisite infrastructure for their optimal operation.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I want to take this opportunity to thank the Members for their contributions and insightful comments during the debate on this Motion. From the various views given by Members in this House, it is clear that this matter requires urgent consideration by the Government.

I note the views from Members that we not only need safe dual carriageways in our country, but more importantly, every part of Kenya should have roads. This is in agreement with the intention of the Motion, which is that as roads are being constructed, safe crossing areas and general road safety should be a major consideration.

In this regard, I wish to note that central to the efforts to seek development through road construction and infrastructure projects is the safety of our people. Roads are not just a means of transportation, but also lifelines for families, businesses, and communities. However, those projects become sources of pain and loss when they lack essential safety features such as proper signage, pedestrian crossings, speed control measures and lighting. Development must never come at the expense of human lives.

Therefore, I request that Members support this Motion and call upon the Government to ensure that all road projects, from planning to completion, are guided by strict safety standards with regular safety audits.

In conclusion, road development projects should not merely be investments in infrastructure, but also a moral responsibility to protect the lives of citizens.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to reply.

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

What is your point of order?

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I have noted that Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, the Member for Seme and Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health, who sits behind me, rose and walked all the way to the front, near the

Table. Then, he proceeded to... It is worrying. Sometimes, you can walk two metres and then realise that the Speaker is on his or her feet. He has walked for quite a distance. Is that in order? This also happened last Wednesday. While you were on your feet, some Members were walking around. I would like to know whether this is a new trend and, if so, whether it is in order.

Thank you.

I did not notice. Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, you can just apologise.

He has walked out.

He has left? Very well. Hon. Members, you know what the rules and Standing Orders say. Let us proceed.

Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations Committee

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion:

THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Budget and Appropriations

SECOND SCHEDULE SUMMARY OF INCREASES/DECREASES IN THE THIRD SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR THE FY 2024/2025 SECOND SCHEDULE: SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES III FOR FY 2024/25 VOTE CODE VOTE & PROGRAMME SUPPLEMENTARY III BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/25 (Changes) GROSS CURRENT ESTIMATES GROSS CAPITAL ESTIMATES GROSS TOTAL ESTIMATES Executive Office of the President 80,000,000 - 80,000,000

Office of the Deputy President 200,000,000 - 200,000,000

Secretary 3,038,189 - 3,038,189

3,038,189 State Department for Parliamentary Affairs (16,018,507) - (16,018,507)

SECOND SCHEDULE: SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES III FOR FY 2024/25 VOTE CODE VOTE & PROGRAMME SUPPLEMENTARY III BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/25 (Changes) GROSS CURRENT ESTIMATES GROSS CAPITAL ESTIMATES GROSS TOTAL ESTIMATES State Department for Performance and Delivery Management (5,000,000) - (5,000,000)

State Department for Cabinet Affairs 3,038,189 - 3,038,189

3,038,189 State House 3,698,814,811 - 3,698,814,811

3,698,814,811 State Department for Correctional Services 300,000,000 - 300,000,000

25,100,000 State Department for Immigration and Citizen Services 100,000,000 - 100,000,000

National Police Service 1,214,272,400 - 1,214,272,400

1,214,272,400 State Department for Internal Security & National Administration 2,348,140,012 - 2,348,140,012

(169,072,988) State Department for Devolution (14,000,000) 106,000,000 92,000,000

92,000,000 State Department for ASALs and Regional Development 1,100,000,000 (1,314,930,000) (214,930,000)

(370,004,061) Ministry of Defence -

State Department for Foreign Affairs 379,313,850 - 379,313,850

10,000,000 State Department for Diaspora Affairs (20,000,000) - (20,000,000)

(20,000,000) State Department for Technical Vocational Education and Training 890,880,790 (327,000,000) 563,880,790

State Department for Higher Education and Research 3,667,390,447 (199,867,400) 3,467,523,047

State Department for Basic Education 140,564,888 (2,236,500,000) (2,095,935,112)

81,964,888 The National Treasury 3,953,000,000 571,617,460 4,524,617,460

SECOND SCHEDULE: SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES III FOR FY 2024/25 VOTE CODE VOTE & PROGRAMME SUPPLEMENTARY III BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/25 (Changes) GROSS CURRENT ESTIMATES GROSS CAPITAL ESTIMATES GROSS TOTAL ESTIMATES State Department for Economic Planning (263,000,000) (10,000,000) (273,000,000)

(16,014,475) State Department for Medical Services (51,500,000) (791,404,332) (842,904,332)

(24,500,000) State Department for Public Health and Professional Standards 226,429,884 (270,000,000) (43,570,116)

SECOND SCHEDULE: SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES III FOR FY 2024/25 VOTE CODE VOTE & PROGRAMME SUPPLEMENTARY III BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/25 (Changes) GROSS CURRENT ESTIMATES GROSS CAPITAL ESTIMATES GROSS TOTAL ESTIMATES State Department for Roads (70,000,000) (11,736,000,000 ) (11,806,000,000)

(11,806,000,000) State Department for Transport (382,060,387) (1,293,000,000) (1,675,060,387)

State Department for Shipping and Maritime Affairs (116,030,953) - (116,030,953)

(116,030,953) State Department for Housing and Urban Development 30,184,451 7,757,643,443 7,787,827,894

SECOND SCHEDULE: SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES III FOR FY 2024/25 VOTE CODE VOTE & PROGRAMME SUPPLEMENTARY III BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/25 (Changes) GROSS CURRENT ESTIMATES GROSS CAPITAL ESTIMATES GROSS TOTAL ESTIMATES State Department for Public Works (56,182,841) - (56,182,841)

(7,000,000) State Department for Irrigation 1,107,231 (1,429,000,000) (1,427,892,769)

1,107,231 State Department for Water & Sanitation - 3,114,217,313

State Department for Lands and Physical Planning - 1,000,000,000

State Department for Information Communication Technology & Digital Economy (15,046,833) 4,414,000,000 4,398,953,167

(18,410,384) State Department for Broadcasting & Telecommunications (4,000,000) - (4,000,000)

State Department for Sports 1,691,837,642 42,000,000 1,733,837,642

1,733,837,642 State Department for Culture and Heritage (6,186,715) - (6,186,715)

(2,000,000) State Department for Youth Affairs and the Creative Economy (8,000,000) (300,000,000) (308,000,000)

(1,000,000) State Department for Energy (6,960,182) 34,379,848 27,419,666

SECOND SCHEDULE: SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES III FOR FY 2024/25 VOTE CODE VOTE & PROGRAMME SUPPLEMENTARY III BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/25 (Changes) GROSS CURRENT ESTIMATES GROSS CAPITAL ESTIMATES GROSS TOTAL ESTIMATES State Department for Livestock 45,569,330 (459,375,274) (413,805,944)

(413,805,944) State Department for the Blue Economy and Fisheries (5,334,711) (900,000,000) (905,334,711)

State Department for Agriculture 109,596,804 921,087,336 1,030,684,140

State Department for Cooperatives (5,882,124) - (5,882,124)

(5,882,124) State Department for Trade (13,000,000) - (13,000,000)

(4,252,162) State Department for Industry 35,326,081 260,000,000 295,326,081

State Department for Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises Development 4,469,708 - 4,469,708

(1,496,086) State Department for Investment Promotion 85,871,886 - 85,871,886

85,871,886 State Department for Labour and Skills Development 31,000,000 - 31,000,000

State Department for Social Protection and Senior Citizen Affairs 12,460,443,280 - 12,460,443,280

(1,000,000) State Department for Mining 262,300,000 50,000,000 312,300,000

318,300,000 State Department for Petroleum 24,642,800 (309,100,000) (284,457,200)

(284,457,200) State Department for Tourism (13,028,679) - (13,028,679)

State Department for Wildlife (5,305,800) (149,500,000) (154,805,800)

(154,805,800) State Department for Gender and Affirmative Action - (190,000,000)

283,166 State Department for Public Service (173,000,000) 98,000,000 (75,000,000)

State Department for East African Community (8,000,000) - (8,000,000)

(8,000,000) The State Law Office 67,176,910 (15,000,000) 52,176,910

8,710,204 Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission 6,300,000 - 6,300,000

6,300,000 National Intelligence Service 3,000,000,000 - 3,000,000,000

Public Prosecutions 2,500,000 3,000,000 5,500,000

SECOND SCHEDULE: SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES III FOR FY 2024/25 VOTE CODE VOTE & PROGRAMME SUPPLEMENTARY III BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/25 (Changes) GROSS CURRENT ESTIMATES GROSS CAPITAL ESTIMATES GROSS TOTAL ESTIMATES Witness Protection Agency (3,000,000) - (3,000,000)

(3,000,000) State Department for Environment & Climate Change 383,916,010 (40,850,708) 343,065,302

State Department for Forestry 246,000,000 200,000,000 446,000,000

(4,000,000) Kenya National Commission on Human Rights 2,957,801 - 2,957,801

2,957,801 National Land Commission 202,187,531 - 202,187,531

SECOND SCHEDULE: SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES III FOR FY 2024/25 VOTE CODE VOTE & PROGRAMME SUPPLEMENTARY III BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/25 (Changes) GROSS CURRENT ESTIMATES GROSS CAPITAL ESTIMATES GROSS TOTAL ESTIMATES Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (37,000,000) - (37,000,000)

(2,068,878) The Commission on Revenue Allocation 22,700,000 - 22,700,000

22,700,000 Public Service Commission 87,000,000 - 87,000,000

Teachers Service Commission 3,330,380,000 - 3,330,380,000

30,000,000 National Police Service Commission (972,000) - (972,000)

(972,000) Auditor General - (23,000,000)

Budget (70,000,000) - (70,000,000)

(70,000,000) Commission on Administrative Justice (11,126,298) - (11,126,298)

(11,126,298) National Gender and Equality Commission -

Independent Policing Oversight Authority (7,021,769) - (7,021,769)

(7,021,769) Sub-Total: Executive 39,051,693,126 (3,422,582,314) 35,629,110,812

SECOND SCHEDULE: SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES III FOR FY 2024/25 VOTE CODE VOTE & PROGRAMME SUPPLEMENTARY III BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/25 (Changes) GROSS CURRENT ESTIMATES GROSS CAPITAL ESTIMATES GROSS TOTAL ESTIMATES The Judiciary 75,327,460 44,500,000 119,827,460

119,827,460 Judicial Service Commission (12,029,246) - (12,029,246)

(12,029,246) Sub-Total: Judiciary 63,298,214 44,500,000 107,798,214 Parliamentary Service Commission -

Sub-Total: Parliament - Grand Total 39,114,991,340 (3,378,082,314) 35,736,909,026

The intention of Supplementary Estimates III, which is before the House, is to align public expenditures with the revised revenue outlook. As we approach the end of the financial year, we have realised that the projected revenues we anticipated have not been achieved. This calls us to revise public expenditures so that we close the year in a balanced position.

I also wish to highlight that for the first time, departmental committees were unable to meet to consider these estimates due to a limited timeframe. However, the Budget and Appropriations Committee met with the Chairpersons of departmental committees, who provided us with some insights on the newly introduced expenditures as well as reallocations. I would like to thank the Chairpersons of the departmental committees who took the time to appear before us. I also thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee for sitting over the weekend to examine these estimates.

In considering these estimates, we also reviewed the votes that fall under Article 223 of the Constitution. This provision allows the Government to expend money that was not factored into the budget. Ultimately, we can regularise those expenditures in Supplementary Estimates III. Overall, Supplementary Estimates III proposes to increase the budget by Ksh35.7 billion in total expenditure and net lending. Thus, raising the overall budget from Ksh4.07 trillion as per Supplementary Estimates II. This adjustment is primarily driven by an additional increase of Ksh39.1 billion in ministerial current spending by the national government and a reduction of Ksh3.3 billion in development expenditures.

You will note that we are recording a reduction of Ksh3.3 billion in development expenditure. As I have already explained, this has been occasioned by the failure to realise the projected revenue. There has been concern that every time we undertake supplementary estimates, the Vote that suffers is development expenditure. Also, the programmes contained under BETA have been affected by these reductions. It is important for the House to take note of the implications of these estimates, both now and in the future.

Under Article 223 of the Constitution, the following expenditures were approved and spent. About Ksh33.9 billion in total, comprising Ksh28.58 billion in recurrent expenditure and Ksh5.5 billion in development expenditure. Of this amount, Ksh23.2 billion has already been disbursed. The remaining requests are contained in the estimates we are approving today. I would like to highlight that the notable disbursements include Ksh10.3 billion in cash transfers under the Inua Jamii Programme, Ksh5 billion for the leasing of police vehicles, Ksh1.7 billion for operations and maintenance at the State House, and Ksh1.7 billion allocated to the National Intelligence Service (NIS) for enhanced security operations. Additionally, Ksh1.68 billion was allocated to the Department of Sports in preparation for Kenya’s planned hosting of the African Nations Championship (CHAN) Tournament and Ksh1.5 billion to the State Department for Internal Security and National Administration.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, Supplementary Estimates III has allocated additional funding to help with emergency concerns. There are emerging national priorities that cannot wait for the new Budget we just approved. That is why we are considering the Supplementary Estimates III.

The security sector continues to take the lion's share of Supplementary Estimates, with an allocation of Ksh 5.2 billion in Supplementary Estimates III. Out of that, Ksh3 billion has been earmarked for the National Intelligence Service (NIS), and Ksh1.3 billion has been allocated to the State Department of Internal Security and National Administration.

The Supplementary Estimates III has also affected the education sector due to an upward revision in Appropriations-in-Aid (AIA). This includes an additional Ksh2 billion for the Higher Education Loans Board (HELB), Ksh1.6 billion for various public universities, and approximately Ksh800 million earmarked for technical and vocational training institutes. There

is a Ksh 2 billion reduction in donor financing for the Kenya Primary Education Equity in Learning Programme (KPEEL).

We have also seen adjustments in the infrastructure sector, where Ksh11.7 billion has been reduced in the road sub-sector. The cut spans multiple projects and is composed of a Ksh11 billion decrease in the Government of Kenya's funding and a Ksh700 million reduction in donor financing.

The Committee noted that these revisions reflect ongoing fiscal consolidation efforts and may impact the pace of implementation of key transport infrastructure projects. The reductions in the road sub-sector will have an impact because a reduction of Ksh11 billion means that some ongoing projects may stall.

As I wind up, the report on Supplementary Estimates III is very brief. I would like Hon. Members to quickly approve it so that revenue projections align with public expenditures as we close the year in the next two or three days.

I hereby move the Motion and ask my able Vice-Chairman to second the Motion. Thank you.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I stand to second the Supplementary Estimates III.

This is a very short Motion that seeks to regularise already incurred expenditure. Among them is Ksh12 billion for the NG-CDF, which had been removed, but we have returned it. Therefore, it will be important that Members pass this Motion very quickly so that they get their money.

This Motion also has money for intern doctors that had not been factored in. The Departmental Committee on Health factored Ksh121 million so that the intern doctors could be paid for their last quarter. This is a very important but small Motion. I do not think Members will have much to say about it. The gist of the matter is that you have your NG-CDF returned.

If we pass it very fast, we can move to the Supplementary Appropriation (No.2) (National Assembly Bill No. 26 of 2025) and finish it by this afternoon so that it can be sent to the President for assent. Thereafter, the National Treasury can move with speed before the close of the financial year. As you are aware, today is 25th June, 2025. We have only five days to go. It is important that we pass this Motion very fast. I do not think there is even much to debate about it.

With those few remarks, I second.

Sorry. Okay. I can concentrate if you just desist from talking over my voice. I think it is rude.

Put the Question.

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Yes, Hon. TJ.

We cannot pass things here without debating. This is a House of debate. This is the Supplementary Estimates III. We have to question the validity and the integrity of agencies to spend money. That is a requirement by the Constitution.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I do not know if you may have heard. The Hansard has it that the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee (BAC) , as he was moving this Supplementary Estimates III, said that the Departmental Committees did not look at the Estimates. That, because of time, they called the Chairpersons of Committees to represent the Departmental Committees.

Is it in order that Chairpersons of Departmental Committees take the place of Committees if Estimates are sent to Departmental Committees? Is it by order that they can surpass debates in Departmental Committees, which then make reports to BAC, and then BAC finds out how Estimates were dealt with at the Committee level? Committee proceedings are the underpinning of this House. What is the integrity of these Estimates? How valid are these Estimates before we discuss them?

Hon. Members, can I allow some of the Chairpersons of the Departmental Committees to comment? Hon. Sir George.

Yes. I will also give him an opportunity.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. What the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee has said is true. Due to time constraints, we may not have had the occasion to look at these proposals or Estimates in the full Committees. However, Chairpersons who had issues were to appear and express them on behalf of the Committees. May it go on record that Committees are an extension of this House. Today is the day when every Member is looking at these Estimates. Therefore, whether the Committees looked at them or the Chairpersons went there does not matter. What matters today is that you are here, looking at the Estimates, and you can either approve or disapprove them. That is the position.

Hon. Emaase, Member for Teso South.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Supplementary budgets are very important because they allow the Government to respond to emerging circumstances and address urgent needs affecting the people of Kenya. However, are we in order as a House to depart from procedure and tradition where representatives of the people at the Committee level are given the opportunity to scrutinise the Supplementary Estimates and advise? Why are we looking at the Supplementary Estimates on the Floor of the House at the time of passing it when we should have been given the opportunity to scrutinise it earlier?

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Let us have Hon. Keynan, and then

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I take note of what Hon. TJ Kajwang’ has said. However, if we consider it alongside the response given by the Senior Counsel, the Budget-making process is a function of the entire House. The Committee system is a purely administrative issue for managing the process due to the large numbers involved. Every Member is supposed to play their role as a representative of the people. Forget about everything else.

If we do that, we will not function effectively. Certain matters must be left to the Executive. This is the tradition, whether in Westminster or elsewhere. The Supplementary Estimates III seeks to endorse post-expenditure, that is, to allow, legalise and put into perspective what has already been spent.

I would also like to agree to some extent with my good friend, Hon. Emaase. In future, the National Treasury should allow a bit more time, two or three weeks, because we understand how these processes work. This will allow Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee and relevant Committees ample time to go through the Estimates.

As it stands, and I know the good Counsel is aware, there is nothing illegal. Play your role. If you want to bring an amendment, please do so. If you want to voice your concern, do it. If you want to vote against it, do so. The Bill is properly before the House. You should play your role as a representative of the people.

Hon. Oundo.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is very perturbing how we are handling the affairs of this House regarding to the Budget-making process. The drafters of the Constitution provided for Article 223 to take into account exigencies that might occur during the financial year, but, honestly, bringing the matter to the House at the very end of the financial year smacks of mischief, considering that Article 114 provides that a Member of Parliament cannot move any amendments without the concurrence of the National Treasury. This is a matter we must reflect upon as a country. Otherwise, we might risk making the Budget-making process unpredictable and mess up the economic and proper management of national resources.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, if you peruse the document, you will find areas with increments and others with massive reductions. It is a symptom that at the beginning of the budgeting process, we seem to have problems with proper forecasting and understanding of our responsibilities. For example, there was a promise to extend the railway line to Malaba, yet we are now reducing railway transport by Ksh1.9 billion. Are we keeping our promises? Are we keeping our word? The promises made outside the House appear to be empty rhetoric, not grounded in law.

Finally,

we are

Hon. Oundo, you have used many superlatives, but you are not backing up your claims with concrete facts. I will allow Hon. Kimani Kuria and Hon. Ochieng' to comment, after which we will close this debate.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, on the matter raised by Hon. Kajwang', it is important that we realise that once a Bill is tabled in this House, it becomes a property of the House. A Committee Report just informs the House. It does not mean that this House must abide by the Report of the Committee. This, therefore, means that even the Report tabled by my colleague, the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, Hon. Atandi, is not necessarily binding. Any Member of this House can rise in their position and amend any of the proposed allocations in that particular Bill.

That said, it is important to know that Supplementary Estimates III has been necessitated by the fact that, although our revenues have increased based on how much we

collected at the same time last year, we are still off target. Therefore, this necessitated the need to reduce the expenditures in line with the reduction in the actual revenues that occurred.

However, it is very important to note that this Parliament, being the House that appropriates money, has endeavoured to reduce our deficit as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP). In the Financial Year 2022/2023, the deficit as a percentage of GDP was 5.7 per cent. In 2023/2024, we were able to reduce it to 4.9 per cent. For 2024/2025, we have brought it further down to 3.1 per cent. It means that this House has been cognisant of fiscal discipline and measures being put in place by the National Treasury, and we have agreed with them. We look forward to a time when our deficit as a percentage of GDP will be zero.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is possible that in the next few years, especially with the decision to focus more on non-tax revenue, which includes Appropriations-in-Aid and Public- Private Participation projects, we will reach a point where this House will pass a balanced Budget. We will not have to borrow, whether externally or domestically, to finance the Budget.

Article 223 is necessitated by emergencies that may not have been envisioned. With those remarks, Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to support the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. I urge this House to support it. Thank you.

Hon. TJ, I gave you an opportunity to ventilate on what you thought about this Supplementary Budget. Please also allow other Members to air their views.

Hon. TJ, I have not given you the opportunity to speak. I will allow you to respond after everyone has spoken. Kindly sit. I will get to you.

Let us now have Hon. Ochieng’.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, this is not the first time we are doing a third Supplementary Estimates. In fact, there are times when it has been done on the last day of a financial year. These Estimates were tabled here one week ago. They were accordingly committed to all the Committees concerned. I sit in the Budget and Appropriations Committee. All chairpersons of Committees were given the opportunity to appear before the Budget and Appropriations Committee. In fact, more than half of the Committee Chairpersons appeared before the Committee. It is, therefore, not true to say that Committees had no chance to look at this document. More than half of the Committee Chairpersons appeared. In fact, for those who did not appear, it means that they were happy with the recommended cuts or increases, as it were.

I, therefore, want to disagree with Hon. Kajwang’. Every Committee had a chance to sit, look at the Supplementary Estimates III and appear before the Budget and Appropriations Committee. On Monday, 23rd June 2025, we sat at a venue. There were times we sat for two hours waiting for Chairpersons, but they never appeared. We cannot force them to come before the Budget and Appropriations Committee. That is what happened. Let me tell the House that the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, and the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education all appeared. Those who did not appear, Hon. Deputy Speaker, let no one lie to you, sent letters to the Budget and Appropriations Committee telling us what they believe should happen. So, in terms of participation, Hon. Deputy Speaker, I want to assure and confirm to you that every single Committee participated in the process of the Supplementary Estimates III. It is wrong to say they did not.

It is important to note that this is not the stage where we are going to start saying that there are sinister motives about a third Supplementary Estimates. The Hon. Member knows

that there are times when we have discussed a third Supplementary Estimate on 29th June. If the country feels that monies we put in a State Department will not be spent and should be moved, and if there are monies that are lacking for a department that is crucial, like security... What do we do? Do we sit back and say that if we put it, Hon. Oundo will say that this is sinister? This Parliament must do its job regardless of what someone thinks, sinister or not.

I support this Report and support the Supplementary Estimates III.

Hon. Mugambi, I will give you two minutes.

Thank you. I was looking at the State Department of Housing and Public Works because I am the Vice-Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works. I have looked at the Estimates and what has come up. One of the greatest problems we face, particularly in the State Department of Public Works, is that it has been stifled from the beginning. In all the Supplementary Budgets, there is nothing positive that comes to the State Department of Public Works. When I see this coming towards the tail end of a financial year, it is really discouraging.

Let us not forget that the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG- CDF) money was reduced. Let it be on record that it is not right not to scrutinise what is being presented to the House. That is my concern. I repeat that the State Department of Public Works has been stifled and continues to be stifled. Somebody needs to be sensitive to that State Department. Therefore, the Budget and Appropriations Committee and the National Treasury must be sensitive, as we are likely to close some State departments at the end of the day.

I thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Member for Laikipia, Hon. Jane Kagiri.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to raise concerns regarding Supplementary Estimates III. I sit in the Budget and Appropriations Committee. I am well aware that the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection submitted to our Budget and Appropriations Committee a request for reinstatement of Ksh500 million that was deducted from the National Government Affirmative Action Fund (NGAAF) in the Second Supplementary Estimates. It leaves me wondering why the request was not honoured.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, the NGAAF serves the vulnerable, including women, widows, People with Disabilities (PwDs) , and needy students. When we do not make it a priority to service the NGAAF, I wonder if it is our people we are trying to stifle and weaken.

Second, we have a challenge with the money meant for sanitary towels. Let me teach this House a little Biology. Our female students in schools have monthly periods. It is one year later, and we are still seeking money for sanitary towels for our students. I think it is a dishonour! I believe that in this House, everybody is related to a young girl in this country, either as an uncle, a father, a brother, or even a grandfather. Let us be sensitive to the needs of our girls. We owe them their money. Such money is required urgently. Roads are not a bigger priority than the health of our students, women, and children!

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Last, I will listen to Hon. Peter Kaluma. I will rule on your point of order in a minute, Hon. TJ Kajwang’. Proceed.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, the response to the matter raised by Hon. TJ Kajwang’ is in Standing Order 207 of the National Assembly Standing Orders. This Standing Order provision, Hon. Deputy Speaker and Members, establishes the Budget and Appropriations Committee, designates its mandate and sets out the procedure by which it proceeds when executing its mandate. According to Standing Order 207 (3) , the Committee's functions are to discuss and review the estimates and make

recommendations to the House. Part (d) states thus: to examine Bills related to the national Budget, including Appropriations Bills. Of course, there are other mandates spelt out there.

Hon. TJ Kajwang' is concerned with Standing Order 207(6), which says that the Committee shall invite Chairpersons of all Departmental Committees to make presentations during the consideration of the Budget. It is not denied before us that the Budget and Appropriations Committee invited all Chairpersons of Departmental Committees. If the Chairpersons, upon invitation, went before the Budget and Appropriations Committee without remitting the matter initially to their Departmental Committees for deliberation, that is a failure of the Chairpersons and a matter for the Chairpersons in terms of how they relate with their Committees and Committee Members.

It is not, however, the reason to deny that Supplementary Estimates III is properly before the House, having been tabled last week. In fact, it is the business of the House to proceed, those chairpersons having been invited. If we have any issues regarding whether the Chairpersons presided or referred this matter to the Committee for consideration, those are internal Committee issues. What is required is that the Budget and Appropriations Committee invites the Chairpersons when they make their decisions on the Supplementary Estimates. It has been confirmed that it happened. Therefore, the matter is properly before the House, and we are ready to transact it straight away.

Thank you, Hon. Members. We are now repeating ourselves on this matter. It is very clear that the Chairpersons appeared before the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Right now, the Budget and Appropriations Committee has brought its report to the House. So, all the committees are sitting here, and it is now for you, as a House, to decide. We are not going to say it was the Budget and Appropriations Committee that decided without Committees. It is now before all the Committee Members who are seated in this House. That is what we have discussed. So, Hon. TJ Kajwang’ your matter has been dealt with. It is now before the House. We can proceed.

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. TJ Kajwang’, what more can you say, really? If it had not come before the House now, we would have had an issue. But, it is now before the House.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I want to appreciate you for the ruling that you have given. In fact, I have listened to the expert from Homa Bay County, and he has squarely touched on all those issues. The problem may or may not have been with the Chairpersons, who would have moved their Departmental Committees to scrutinise those responses.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Put the Question.

What is your question, Hon. Nyamai?

I will call the Mover to reply, but I will allow Hon. Donya to speak. Make it brief, and then we call the Mover.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I appreciate it. I have gone through the Third Supplementary Estimates. Yesterday, the Hon. Speaker stated that they had factored our Ksh500 million into the Supplementary Estimates. We have to ask the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, Hon. Atandi, about it. I have gone

through it, but I cannot locate it. Since he is right here, could he please clarify where the Ksh500 million for the County Women Representatives is? He can provide us with an answer that we can work with. Thank you.

I call upon the Mover to reply. As you do, kindly answer Hon. Donya’s question.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to reply. I also appreciate the Members who have raised various concerns. I thank the Members who have responded to the concerns raised by Hon. TJ Kajwang’.

Please keep quiet, Hon. Members. As a matter of fact, the Committee of the whole House is the budget-making Committee. Therefore, all Members of this House have the opportunity to make the Budget as we talk. We are moving forward to the Supplementary Appropriation Bill. Once there, let Members bring their amendments. Regarding the question raised by Hon. Donya about the National Government Affirmative Action Fund (NGAAF) , it is not included in the Third Supplementary Estimates. However, you can bring an amendment and introduce it so that it is passed. However, in the current Estimates before you, NGAAF is not factored in, as I mentioned to you yesterday.

Why?

I will allow you to move an amendment to this Report so that you can introduce the NGAAF allocation. With the permission of the Chairperson, you can move your amendment. Some members have raised concerns about the cuts, particularly those affecting housing. They are programmes that have not been tendered. Therefore, those amounts cannot be passed here. If the projects have not even taken off, then there is no reason we should allow them to stay on the books.

On the last issue of Committee Chairpersons, I said earlier that they appeared before us.

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

What is your point of order, Hon. Junet? Give him a chance.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for your indulgence. The Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee needs to tell the House that these are the Third Supplementary Estimates. All these monies we are asking for, including the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) and NGAAF, were all appropriated in the Appropriation Bill that we passed and assented to by the President. Therefore, the Third Supplementary Estimates are largely based on Article 223 of the Constitution. The Cabinet Secretary spent money without parliamentary approval, and we are rectifying that. All the other monies that we passed are in the Budget Estimates and have been appropriated. We now expect the Cabinet Secretary to release the Exchequer. That is all. Even if he has not appropriated the money in these Supplementary Estimates, it means the money is in the real Budget and was in the Supplementary Budget. Let us not create confusion.

Okay. Hon. Atandi, please wind down in two minutes, and then we can put the Question.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, with those many remarks, I reply.

Thank you.

Where has the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee disappeared to? Hon Atandi.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, there is a lot of noise in the Chamber.

Hon. Members, kindly resume your seats.

Hon. Tonkei, your concern has been responded to because what Hon. Junet said is the correct position. NGAAF is in the main Budget.

Hon. Atandi, proceed.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the Supplementary Appropriation (No. 2) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 26 of 2025) be now read a Second Time.

This is the same Bill which we have just passed. Therefore, I do not want to belabour the points. The Bill gives the National Treasury the power to spend the money. Since we have already discussed it during the Second Reading, I will not say much.

I ask my Vice-Chairman to second. Thank you.

Hon. Pukose.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I second that the Supplementary Appropriation (No. 2) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 26 of

Put the Question.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is out of order, Hon. Kaluma?

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, everything is out of order. The Leader of the Majority Party is the Leader of the Majority Party of the House. We are transacting the most fundamental role of the National Assembly under Article

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move:

THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting clause 5 and substituting therefor the following new clause— The supply granted for the services of the year ending on 30th June 2025, in respect of Votes R1014, R1015, R1032, R1054, R1064, R1072,

I have already summarised. The Temporary Chairlady

(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai)

: Okay. Thank you, Chairperson.

Put the Question. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : I heard the interjection of the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, mine is just a point of information, since Hon. Kaluma seems to insinuate that I am under siege. I was consulting with the Women Representatives to assure them—I hope Hon. Tonkei and Hon. Donya are listening—that the Ksh500 million that was taken away in this Financial Year has been added to the Ksh3.5 billion in the 2025/2026 Estimates. Only three weeks from now, you will have Ksh4 billion, up from Ksh3.5 billion. The 'siege' I was under can now end. The National Government Affirmative Action Fund (NGAAF) now has an additional Ksh500 million, bringing its total to Ksh4 billion. The Women Representatives are very good people,

especially those who are keen to detail while doing their work in this House, not just shouting out there.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I thank the Leader of the Majority Party for that clarification. NGAAF money is very important to this country. That Ksh4 billion will not only be budgeted for, but we will also ensure it is appropriated and released from the Exchequer even before the release of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) money.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Member for Seme and Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, if the money had been left here, they would have lost it. Because in the next two days, it would be virtually impossible to have used the money. The fact that the money has now been moved to the next financial year, we have saved it for our colleagues. That is the point I wanted to clarify.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you, Hon. Members, for your comments.

First Schedule

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : There is an amendment. Hon. Atandi.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move:

THAT, the First Schedule to the Bill be deleted and replaced with the following new Schedule—

R1012

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Office of the Deputy President in the following programmes 200,000,000 - 0734000 Deputy President Services 200,000,000 - R1013

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Office of the Prime Cabinet Secretary in the following programmes 3,038,189 - 0755000 Government Coordination and Supervision 3,038,189 - R1016

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Cabinet Affairs in the following programmes 3,038,189 - 0758000 Cabinet Affairs Services 3,038,189 - R1017

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State House in the following programmes 3,698,814,811 - 0704000 State House Affairs 3,698,814,811 - R1023

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Correctional Services in the following programmes 300,000,000 - 0627000 Prison Services 280,000,000 - 0628000 Probation and After Care Services 20,000,000 - R1024

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Immigration and Citizen Services in the following programmes 100,000,000 - Population Management Services 100,000,000 - R1025

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the National Police Service in the following programmes 1,270,000,000 (55,727,600) 0601000 Policing Services 1,270,000,000 (55,727,600) R1026

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Internal Security and National Administration in the following programmes 2,340,927,012 7,213,000 0629000 General Administration and Support Services 2,500,000,000 7,213,000 0630000 Policy Coordination Services 10,000,000 - 0632000 National Government Field Administration Services (169,072,988) - R1036

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current 1,100,000,000 -

expenses of the State Department for the ASALs and Regional Development in the following programmes Accelerated ASAL Development 899,822,412 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services 90,181,649 - Integrated Regional Development 109,995,939 - R1053

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Foreign Affairs in the following programmes 336,613,850 42,700,000 General Administration Planning and Support Services 36,613,850 - Foreign Relation and Diplomacy 300,000,000 32,700,000 0742000 Foreign Policy Research, Capacity Dev and Technical Cooperation - 10,000,000 R1065

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Higher Education and Research in the following programmes 996,300,000 2,671,090,447 0504000 University Education 997,300,000 2,531,090,447 Research, Science, Technology and Innovation (1,000,000) 140,000,000 R1066

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Basic Education in the following programmes 40,564,888 100,000,000 0501000 Primary Education (535,935,550) - 0502000 Secondary Education 335,935,550 100,000,000 Quality Assurance and Standards 158,600,000 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services 81,964,888 - R1071

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of The National Treasury in the following programmes 4,253,000,000 - General Administration Planning and Support Services 5,328,649,334 - Public Financial Management (1,075,649,334) - R1083

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Public Health and Professional Standards in the following programmes 222,429,884 4,000,000 0406000 Preventive and Promotive Health Services (14,600,000) 10,000,000

Health Resources Development and Innovation (998,255) - 0408000 Health Policy, Standards and Regulations - (6,000,000) 0412000 General Administration 238,028,139 - R1094

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Housing and Urban Development in the following programmes 30,184,451 - 0102000 Housing Development and Human Settlement 16,300,000 - 0105000 Urban and Metropolitan Development 4,984,451 - General Administration Planning and Support Services 8,900,000 - R1104

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Irrigation in the following programmes 1,107,231 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services 1,107,231 - R1132

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Sports in the following programmes 1,685,837,642 6,000,000 0901000 Sports 1,685,837,642 6,000,000 R1162

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Livestock Development in the following programmes 41,858,030 3,711,300 Livestock Resources Management and Development 41,858,030 3,711,300 R1169

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Agriculture in the following programmes 99,596,804 - General Administration Planning and Support Services 134,700,000 - 0108000 Crop Development and Management (45,003,196) - Agribusiness and Information Management 9,900,000 - R1184

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Labour and Skills Development in the following programmes 31,000,000 - General Administration Planning and Support Services 67,900,000 - 0906000 Labour, Employment and Safety Services (36,900,000) - R1185

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current 12,460,443,280 -

expenses of the State Department for Social Protection and Senior Citizens Affairs in the following programmes 0908000 Social Development and Children Services (9,000,000) - 0909000 National Social Safety Net 12,470,443,280 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services (1,000,000) - R1193

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Petroleum in the following programmes 1,000,000 23,642,800 0215000 Exploration and Distribution of Oil and Gas 1,000,000 23,642,800 R1202

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Tourism in the following programmes 886,971,321 (900,000,000) Tourism Product Development and Diversification 886,971,321 (900,000,000) R1252

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Law Office in the following programmes 67,176,910 - 0606000 Legal Services 43,466,706 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services 23,710,204 - R1261

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of The Judiciary in the following programmes 68,000,000 7,327,460 0610000 Dispensation of Justice 68,000,000 7,327,460 R1281

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the National Intelligence Service in the following programmes 3,000,000,000 - National Security Intelligence 3,000,000,000 - R1331

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Environment and Climate Change in the following programmes 203,916,010 180,000,000 1002000 Environment Management and Protection 251,916,010 180,000,000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services (30,000,000) - 1012000 Meteorological Services (18,000,000) - R1332

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Forestry in the following programmes 546,000,000 (300,000,000)

Forests Development, Management and Conservation 550,000,000 (300,000,000) General Administration, Planning and Support Services (4,000,000) - R2011

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights in the following programmes 2,957,801 - 0616000 Protection and Promotion of Human Rights 2,957,801 - R2021

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the National Land Commission in the following programmes 297,187,531 - 0119000 Land Administration and Management 297,187,531 - R2061

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Commission on Revenue Allocation in the following programmes 11,000,000 11,700,000 Inter-Governmental Transfers and Financial Matters 11,000,000 11,700,000 R2071

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Public Service Commission in the following programmes 87,000,000 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services 107,200,000 - Human Resource Management and Development (20,200,000) - R2091

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Teachers Service Commission in the following programmes 3,340,380,000 (10,000,000) Teacher Resource Management 3,340,380,000 - 0510000 Governance and Standards - (40,000,000) General Administration, Planning and Support Services - 30,000,000 Sub Cluster Total 37,786,343,834 1,811,657,407

Vote No.

Service or Purpose Supply Appropriation in Aid Development Expenditure Kshs. D1032

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Devolution in the following programmes 106,000,000 - 0712000 Devolution Services 106,000,000 - D1082

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital 113,595,668 (905,000,000)

expenses of the State Department for Medical Services in the following programmes National Referral and Specialised Services (197,296,120) (195,000,000) 0410000 Curative and Reproductive Maternal New Born Child Adolescent Health RMNCAH 310,891,788 (710,000,000) D1094

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Housing and Urban Development in the following programmes 7,757,643,443 - 0102000 Housing Development and Human Settlement 7,415,510,309 - 0105000 Urban and Metropolitan Development 342,133,134 - D1109

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Water and Sanitation in the following programmes 2,009,417,313 1,104,800,000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services (1,620,000) - Water Resources Management (411,546,687) 633,800,000 Water and Sewerage Infrastructure Development 2,422,584,000 471,000,000 D1112

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Lands and Physical Planning in the following programmes 1,000,000,000 - 0101000 Land Policy and Planning 1,000,000,000 (31,116,271) Land Information Management - 31,116,271 D1122

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Information Communication Technology and Digital Economy in the following programmes 250,000,000 4,164,000,000 ICT Infrastructure Development 250,000,000 4,164,000,000 D1132

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Sports in the following programmes 42,000,000 - 0901000 Sports 42,000,000 - D1152

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Energy in the following programmes 2,054,947,438 (2,020,567,590) 0212000 Power Generation (508,552,562) (840,000,000) 0213000 Power Transmission and Distribution 2,349,500,000 (1,180,567,590)

Alternative Energy Technologies 214,000,000 - D1169

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Agriculture in the following programmes 1,048,375,274 (157,287,938) General Administration Planning and Support Services - (22,000,000) Crop Development and Management 1,048,375,274 (135,287,938) D1175

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Industry in the following programmes 260,000,000 - Standards and Quality Infrastructure and Research 260,000,000 - D1213

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Public Service in the following programmes 98,000,000 - Public Service Transformation 98,000,000 - D1261

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of The Judiciary in the following programmes 44,500,000 - 0610000 Dispensation of Justice 44,500,000 - D1291

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions in the following programmes 3,000,000 - 0612000 Public Prosecution Services 3,000,000 - D1332

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Forestry in the following programmes 200,000,000 - Forests Development, Management and Conservation 200,000,000 - Sub Cluster Total 14,987,479,136 2,185,944,472 Cluster Total 52,773,822,970 3,997,601,879 (Question of the amendment proposed)

Put the Question! The Temporary Chairlady

(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai)

: Thank you, Chair.

Would you like to make a comment, Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu? Yes, you may. You have the microphone.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we are discussing figures. I am sure we have not amended the whole Schedule. Why can we not be told what has been changed and what it is for, because we are discussing the Budget, not general things? We are taking this process so casually as a House. I do not know why we want to do this. Why can we not just be told what has been changed, because we could not have changed the whole Schedule?

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. (Dr) Makali, since you are a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, I thought you would also expound.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is out of order, Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Junet Mohamed?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, as the Minority side…

Just wait. Wacha nipige yeye. Sorry, that is not in The Hansard. As the Minority side, we have given Hon. (Dr) Makali the privilege and honour to represent us in the Budget and Appropriations Committee. It is he who should tell us what this Report contains. He is behaving like a layman here, asking for details in front of the House and the public. If he was sleeping during the budget sessions, then let him give way to someone else who understands budget-making.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Can I put the question? Yes, Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu, let me give you a chance to respond and expound on what is in this Schedule.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, with all due respect… I think Members should listen to me.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Order, Hon. Kaluma. Let the Member for Kitui Central be heard in silence.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, with all due respect...

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Let him be heard.

Kaluma, you cannot gag me. Kaluma, I have been elected by the people of Kitui Central, just as you were elected by the people of Homa Bay. You can go to hell.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Order, Hon. CNN. Hon. Charles Nguna, please take your seat. Order, Hon. Kaluma.

You know, Hon. Temporary

Hon. Kaluma, you are not seated on the Speaker's Chair.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Order, Hon. Kaluma. Normally you are an orderly Member.

I want to tell Hon. Kaluma that Hon. Makali Mulu is not the kind of person he can intimidate.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu now.

I cannot be intimidated by anybody in this House. With all due respect to my “Leader of the Minority Party”, he knows very well that I cannot be late when it comes to budget-making in this country.

This is what I was saying in the earlier debate – which Hon. Kajwang’ raised – the issue of when this Budget was presented and discussed. I can tell you for sure that I am a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. However, communication to our Committee came late at night when we were proceeding with our own things on Friday and Saturday. I did not even sit in that session. It is not a mistake that I did not sit; what I am saying is that we are in a Committee of the whole House…

Even if I sat there… The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. (Dr) Makali, you have made your point.

Hon. Junet. Hon. Kaluma, you know very well that when you are on your feet, and Hon. Junet Mohamed is on his feet, in terms of order of precedence, he is the one to speak.

Please proceed.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, the Supplementary Estimates were tabled in this House in good time. Members had enough time to scrutinise it. The Committee also had enough time under the able Chairmanship of Hon. Atandi. If Hon. Makali was busy coordinating and supervising other functions, like what is happening today in the country, then that is up to him. I know our colleagues in the Wiper Democratic Movement were busy organising a different matter.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. Kaluma. After that, I will give the Chair of the Committee a chance to summarise.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, my only point is to say that the matter being raised by Hon. Makali Mulu was raised by Hon. Kajwang’, and there was a substantive ruling on it. We are now contributing clause by clause based on the information we have as Members. This thing has left the Committee. My point of order is that we should not be taken back to what the Speaker substantively ruled on in the Committee. We should proceed to the subject matter under the Committee of the whole House.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you very much, Hon. Kaluma.

Chairman, you will be the last on this one.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Hon. (Dr) Makali…

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. Chair, I will give a chance first to the Leader of the Majority Party, and then I will come back to you.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to agree with the Members who have spoken, especially Hon. Kaluma and Hon. Junet. It is wrong for Hon. Makali to insinuate that there was no time for consideration of these Supplementary Estimates. We were all seated here when these Estimates were tabled, and the Chair stood in his place and gave a programme of events on what would happen. Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu is a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee that considered these Estimates. Therefore, to stand in his place and insinuate that there was no time for consideration when all the other 26 Members had time to sit and consider those Estimates is misleading.

I was just checking whether Hon. (Dr) Makali attended those meetings. However, I am told he was unable to attend because it was held over the weekend. He was attending some church, the Salvation Army Church, somewhere in Karen with Hon. Kalonzo Musyoka. He is speaking against economic empowerment programs, yet he and Hon. Kalonzo Musyoka were empowering a church; a church of very wealthy men in Karen, when the people of Kitui Central have no churches. How I wish Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu was using that time to empower churches in Kitui Central, and not to empower rich men in Karen.

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu with your party leader, please go and empower those mabati churches in Kitui and Mwingi instead of empowering rich men in Karen; men who live in houses worth half a billion shillings. How can you go and empower such people in Karen when you are not empowering people in Kitui Central, Hon. Makali Mulu, honestly? That is the time you would have used in Committee. The Committee sat on Friday, Saturday, and even on Sunday and Monday. They missed your expertise, Hon. Makali. Please, next time, spend your time with the Committee rather than empowering rich men in Karen.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Chair, you are the last on this one.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Hon. (Dr) Makali is a competent Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Unfortunately, he was not with us when we were processing the Supplementary Estimates.

Having said that, I would like to explain the changes we are making. The First Schedule contained votes that were presented to us by the National Treasury. After the Bill was presented to us, we made changes. Some of the changes we made include the inclusion of the NG-CDF, which was not in the original Schedule. There are also additional changes introduced by the National Treasury through a memo. That is why we are changing the entire Schedule.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you very much, Hon. Members.

Second Schedule

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Chair, we have an amendment.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I would like to move that Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words…

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Chair, we are on the Second Schedule.

You may come to the table, Hon. Chair.

Hon. Members, after consultations, I would like us to go back to the Second Schedule. Chairman, would you like to say something before we proceed?

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we have an amendment on the Second Schedule. I beg to move:

THAT, the Second Schedule to the Bill be amended and substituted with the following new Schedule— Second Schedule

Vote No.

Service or Purpose Supply Appropriation in Aid Recurrent Expenditure Ksh. 0505000 Technical Vocational Education and Training (130,000,000) 1,020,880,790 R1072

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Economic Planning in the following programmes (263,000,000) - Monitoring and Evaluation Services (9,725,125) - 0706000 Economic Policy and National Planning (237,260,400) - 0709000 General Administration Planning and Support Services (16,014,475) - R1082

The amount required in the year ending 30th June, 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Medical Services in the following programmes (331,500,000) 280,000,000 0402000 National Referral & Specialised Services (307,000,000) 280,000,000 0412000 General Administration (24,500,000) - R1091

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Roads in the following programmes (70,000,000) - 0202000 Road Transport (70,000,000) - R1092

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Transport in the following programmes (485,060,387) 103,000,000 0201000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services 22,197,636 - 0203000 Rail Transport (500,000,000) - 0205000 Air Transport (7,258,023) 103,000,000 R1093

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Shipping and Maritime Affairs in the following programmes (24,030,953) (92,000,000) 0220000 Shipping and Maritime Affairs (24,030,953) (92,000,000) R1095

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Public Works in the following programmes (56,182,841) - 0103000 Government Buildings (41,000,841) - Coastline Infrastructure and Pedestrian Access (6,000,000) - 0106000 General Administration Planning and Support Services (2,182,000) - 0218000 Regulation and Development of the Construction Industry (7,000,000) - R1122

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Information Communication Technology & Digital Economy in the following programmes (25,046,833) 10,000,000 0210000 ICT Infrastructure Development 3,363,551 -

Vote No.

Service or Purpose Supply Appropriation in Aid Recurrent Expenditure Ksh. 0217000 E-Government Services (28,410,384) 10,000,000 R1123

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Broadcasting & Telecommunications in the following programmes (4,000,000) - 0207000 General Administration Planning and Support Services 10,297,478 - 0208000 Information and Communication Services (14,297,478) - R1134

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Culture, the Arts and Heritage in the following programmes (6,186,715) - 0903000 The Arts (2,186,715) - 0905000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services (2,000,000) - 0916000 Public Records Management (2,000,000) - R1135

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Youth Affairs and Creative Economy in the following programmes (8,000,000) - 0748000 Youth Development Services (7,000,000) - 0749000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services (1,000,000) - R1152

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Energy in the following programmes (8,000,000) 1,039,818 0211000 General Administration Planning and Support Services (3,637,586) - 0212000 Power Generation (4,362,414) (10,000,000) Power Transmission and Distribution - 11,039,818 R1166

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for the Blue Economy and Fisheries in the following programmes (5,334,711) - Fisheries Development and Management (3,000,000) - 0117000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services (2,334,711) - R1173

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Cooperatives in the following programmes (7,882,124) 2,000,000 0304000 Cooperative Development and Management (7,882,124) 2,000,000 R1174

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Trade in the following programmes (13,000,000) - 0309000 Domestic Trade and Enterprise Development (1,411,929) -

Vote No.

Service or Purpose Supply Appropriation in Aid Recurrent Expenditure Ksh. 0311000 International Trade Development and Promotion (7,335,909) - 0312000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services (4,252,162) - R1175

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Industry in the following programmes (14,673,919) 50,000,000 0301000 General Administration Planning and Support Services (14,673,919) - Industrial Promotion and Development - 50,000,000 R1176

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises Development in the following programmes (5,556,086) 10,025,794 0316000 Promotion and Development of MSMEs (4,060,000) - 0317000 Product and Market Development for MSMEs - 10,025,794 0319000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services (1,496,086) - R1177

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Investment Promotion in the following programmes (8,157,062) 94,028,948 Investment Development and Promotion (8,157,062) 94,028,948 R1192

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Mining in the following programmes (6,000,000) 268,300,000 1007000 General Administration Planning and Support Services (6,000,000) - Geological Survey and Geoinformation Management - 268,300,000 R1203

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Wildlife in the following programmes (5,305,800) - Wildlife Conservation and Management (5,305,800) - R1212

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Gender and Affirmative Action in the following programmes - 0912000 Gender Empowerment (283,166) - 0913000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services 283,166 - R1213

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for Public Service in the following programmes (173,000,000) -

Vote No.

Service or Purpose Supply Appropriation in Aid Recurrent Expenditure Ksh. 0710000 Public Service Transformation (187,000,000) - 0709000 General Administration Planning and Support Services 14,000,000 - R1221

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the State Department for East African Community Affairs in the following programmes (8,000,000) - 0305000 East African Affairs and Regional Integration (8,000,000) - R1271

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission in the following programmes - 6,300,000 0611000 Ethics and Anti-Corruption - 6,300,000 R1291

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions in the following programmes - 2,500,000 0612000 Public Prosecution Services - 2,500,000 R1321

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Witness Protection Agency in the following programmes (3,000,000) - 0615000 Witness Protection (3,000,000) - R2031

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission in the following programmes (37,000,000) - 0617000 Management of Electoral Processes (34,931,122) - Delimitation of Electoral Boundaries (2,068,878) - R2051

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Judicial Service Commission in the following programmes (19,529,246) 7,500,000 0619000 Judicial Oversight (19,529,246) 7,500,000 R2101

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the National Police Service Commission in the following programmes (972,000) - 0620000 National Police Service Human Resource Management (972,000) - R2121

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Controller of Budget in the following programmes (70,000,000) - 0730000 Control and Management of Public Finances (70,000,000) - R2131

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Commission on Administrative Justice in the following programmes (11,126,298) - 0731000 Promotion of Administrative Justice (11,126,298) -

Vote No.

Service or Purpose Supply Appropriation in Aid Recurrent Expenditure Ksh. R2151

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for current expenses of the Independent Policing Oversight Authority in the following programmes (7,021,769) - 0622000 Policing Oversight Services (7,021,769) - Sub Cluster Total (1,861,585,251) 1,763,575,350

Vote No.

Service or Purpose Supply Appropriation in Aid Development Expenditure Ksh. D1023

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Correctional Services in the following programmes - 0627000 Prison Services (5,100,000) - 0628000 Probation & After Care Services 5,100,000 - D1036

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for the ASALs and Regional Development in the following programmes (1,028,370,000) (286,560,000) 0733000 Accelerated ASAL Development (738,370,000) (96,560,000) 1013000 Integrated Regional Development (290,000,000) (190,000,000) D1064

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Technical Vocational Education and Training in the following programmes (242,000,000) (85,000,000) 0505000 Technical Vocational Education and Training (242,000,000) (85,000,000) D1065

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Higher Education and Research in the following programmes (192,867,400) (7,000,000) 0504000 University Education (192,867,400) (7,000,000) D1066

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Basic Education in the following programmes (2,016,500,000) (220,000,000) 0501000 Primary Education (2,036,000,000) (100,000,000) 0502000 Secondary Education 19,500,000 (120,000,000) D1071

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of The National Treasury in the following programmes (297,447,311) 1,169,064,771 0717000 General Administration Planning and Support Services 902,000,000 (99,000,000) 0718000 Public Financial Management (5,443,447,311) 1,268,064,771 0719000 Economic and Financial Policy Formulation and Management 4,244,000,000 - D1072

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Economic Planning in the following programmes - (10,000,000) 0707000 National Statistical Information Services - (10,000,000)

Vote No.

Service or Purpose Supply Appropriation in Aid Recurrent Expenditure Ksh. D1083

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Public Health and Professional Standards in the following programmes (175,000,000) (95,000,000) 0406000 Preventive and Promotive Health Services (195,000,000) (95,000,000) 0407000 Health Resources Development and Innovation 20,000,000 - D1091

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Roads in the following programmes (11,502,000,000) (234,000,000) 0202000 Road Transport (11,502,000,000) (234,000,000) D1092

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Transport in the following programmes (1,330,000,000) 37,000,000 0201000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services - (63,000,000) 0203000 Rail Transport (1,240,000,000) (200,000,000) 0204000 Marine Transport - 500,000,000 0216000 Road Safety (90,000,000) (200,000,000) D1104

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Irrigation in the following programmes (350,000,000) (1,079,000,000) 1014000 Irrigation and Land Reclamation (450,000,000) (1,079,000,000) 1015000 Water Storage and Flood Control 100,000,000 - D1135

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Youth Affairs and Creative Economy in the following programmes (50,000,000) (250,000,000) 0711000 Youth Empowerment Services 200,000,000 (250,000,000) 0748000 Youth Development Services (250,000,000) - D1162

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Livestock Development in the following programmes (459,375,274) - 0112000 Livestock Resources Management and Development (459,375,274) - D1166

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for the Blue Economy and Fisheries in the following programmes (900,000,000) - Fisheries Development and Management (1,200,000,000) - 0118000 Development and Coordination of the Blue Economy 300,000,000 - D1192

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Mining in the following programmes - 50,000,000

Vote No.

Service or Purpose Supply Appropriation in Aid Recurrent Expenditure Ksh. Geological Survey and Geoinformation Management - 50,000,000 D1193

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Petroleum in the following programmes - (309,100,000) 0215000 Exploration and Distribution of Oil and Gas - (309,100,000) D1203

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Wildlife in the following programmes - (149,500,000) Wildlife Conservation and Management - (149,500,000) D1212

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Gender and Affirmative Action in the following programmes - (190,000,000) 0912000 Gender Empowerment - (190,000,000) D1252

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Law Office in the following programmes (15,000,000) - 0609000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services (15,000,000) - D1331

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the State Department for Environment & Climate Change in the following programmes (850,708) (40,000,000) 1002000 Environment Management and Protection (850,708) (40,000,000) D2111

The amount required in the year ending 30th June 2025 for capital expenses of the Auditor General in the following programmes (23,000,000) - 0729000 Audit Services (23,000,000) - Sub Cluster Total (18,582,410,693) (1,699,095,229) Cluster Total (20,443,995,944) 64,480,121 Grand Total 32,329,827,026 4,062,082,000 (Question of the amendment proposed)

Put the question.

Clause 2

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): We have an amendment. Chairman, proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move:

THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “Forty-Nine Billion Three Hundred Ninety Million Nine Hundred and Seven Thousand Nine Hundred Thirteen, appearing after the words “the sum of” and substituting therefor the words “Fifty-Two Billion Seven Hundred Seventy-Three Million Eight Hundred Twenty-Two Thousand Nine Hundred Seventy”

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. Members, we have concluded consideration of the Bill.

Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Supplementary Appropriation (No.2) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 26 of 2025) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Chairperson.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Supplementary Appropriation (No.

Mover.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report.

I second.

Mover.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the Supplementary Appropriation (No.2) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 26 of 2025) be now read a Third Time.

I request my able deputy to second.

I second.

Put the question.

Next order.

Who is moving on behalf of the Chairman, Public Debt and Privatisation Committee?

On a point of order.

What is your point of order, Dr Oundo?

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I was just wondering. With your indulgence, we can dispense with Order 7 in the Order Paper, as we

skipped it in view of the urgency and importance of the Supplementary Appropriation (No. 2) Bill. I am sure there are not too many questions and requests.

Now that I have read Order 14, allow us to dispense with it and then we re-arrange the Order Paper to accommodate Statements and Questions.

Proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion:

THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Public Debt and Privatisation

In this regard, the Committee has recommended that the National Treasury develop and publish a comprehensive national liability management policy within 60 days of the adoption of this Report. This Policy should articulate clear guidelines and measurable targets aimed at reducing the debt service burden and enhancing fiscal space.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move and request Hon. Kasalu to second.

Proceed, Hon. Kasalu.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I second.

That is pretty unusual.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I will be very brief as I support this very important Motion. We have not had such a report for a long time. The Report is part of the Budget because it indicates which debts we are paying. The Report indicates that the information should be published within 60 days.

I urge the Committee to avail that Report in good time. This Report was tabled yesterday, and many Members have probably not seen it. However, we would like the detailed Report to come in good time so that we can read it. If we are not careful about how debts are handled, they may actually be paid in a preferential manner. A committee is dealing with this, and we will receive a report. However, that Report should be tabled in the House within 60 days so that we can see how to handle our debts and the details therein.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Member for Funyula.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is sometimes difficult to deal with this matter. Just a few days ago, during the Budget process, similar recommendations of a 60-day timeline were made. The same timeline was recommended when we were doing the Supplementary Budget. Hon. Temporary Speaker, one day you will have to guide us on when the 60 days start and end because it is becoming a boring song.

The Report is not very clear on exactly what is happening, and that is why the Member who was asked to second the Motion had nothing useful to add. The timing of these fundamental Supplementary Budgets, whether under Articles 114 or 223 of the Constitution, is highly suspicious. Accountants will tell you that it is important to clean up the books at the end of a financial year, but there are always restatements that can happen after the financial year.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, if you received Ksh1 billion right now, how would you absorb it between now and Monday? Something is wrong somewhere. If it were a recurring expenditure, we could argue that there is a loan under the CFS that we had forgotten to repay, which is due on Friday. We could understand that. How the National Treasury can forget the maturity of a loan is very baffling. Everybody would imagine that the recurrent expenditure for salaries, allowances, and remuneration for constitutional officeholders is fixed. I am probably not an expert on the issue of Supplementary Budgets under the CFS, but if you give Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu an opportunity to speak on this Motion, he can educate the uneducated.

Otherwise, I have nothing useful to add other than being left in Wonderland. How can the CFS have a Supplementary Budget at the tail-end of the financial year?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Next is Hon. Makali Mulu. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, wait for a minute. Let us hear Hon. Makali Mulu.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I can explain some scenarios that necessitate a Supplementary Budget for CFS expenditures. Hon. Members, you know well that most of our external debt is in foreign currency, such as dollars and euros. One of the reasons for a supplementary budget is a change in the exchange rate, which could trigger the need for additional resources for repayment. Once the rates change, you will automatically have more than you budgeted for.

Another situation occurs when tabulating the loans due; if you miss one that is due within the year and needs to be paid, you must factor in that amount. In my view, Consolidated Fund Services (CFS) is the easiest option for managing supplementary budgets because, once it is approved, you only need to focus on making the payments. Some of the earlier issues we were discussing require procurement, and you may lack time. However, there is a way to address this.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, regarding this Report, the challenge we face with CFS expenditures is the budget deficit. Every financial year, we address the budget deficit. For instance, we have agreed that it will be 4.5 per cent of the gross domestic product (GDP) for the Financial Year 2025/2026. When the Chairperson presented the Budget summary, 4.5 per cent of our total Budget amounted to Ksh876 billion. However, when Hon. Mbadi, the Cabinet Secretary, specified the amount to be borrowed, he indicated Ksh920 billion, resulting in a difference of Ksh47 billion. Thus, the Report approved here by the Public Debt and Privatisation Committee was Ksh876 billion, while the Cabinet Secretary's Report was Ksh920 billion. So, when the budget deficit fluctuates, it complicates the predictability of the Budget. We have a budget that is a moving target, and as a House, we must firm up our approach.

Once we agree on the amount to be borrowed by the Government in this financial year, we should not allow these figures to change midway, which would lead to the unpredictability we currently experience. All said and done, CFS expenditures represent the highest expenditure item in our Budget, now approximately Ksh1.2 trillion. This leaves minimal fiscal space for other activities. As a House, we need to deliberate seriously about managing CFS expenditures. Within these expenditures, the most significant item is the payment of public debt, encompassing both interest repayments and principal payments. This is a serious matter requiring our attention to assist the country in addressing it.

Hon. Oundo raised the issue of timing. I have been listening since morning, including your contribution to the earlier Motion. We, as a House, should not apologise for the National Treasury's inadequacies. The pressure we face stems from the late presentation of budgets, which does not allow sufficient time for the House to process them. We must establish a firm deadline, instructing that if a Supplementary Budget is not submitted one month before the end of the financial year, it will not be considered. This will enable us to examine the Budget in detail and ascertain what payments will be made.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, Article 223 has been controversial. Since we joined this House together, we have engaged extensively in the Budget and Appropriations Committee, consistently discussing Article 223 and its loopholes regarding the National Treasury's utilisation. I wish we could dedicate more time to reviewing proposed expenditures under Article 223, as these represent some of the easier avenues used by certain technocrats to misallocate public resources. As a House, we must discuss this issue and take a firm position. I recall a past discussion when Hon. Mbadi was a Member of Parliament, where we both

advocated for a thorough scrutiny of Article 223 in the National Treasury to ensure its proper utilisation. Otherwise, we risk turning the 13th Parliament into a mere talking shop regarding budget matters, which is unfortunate. We must treat this issue with the seriousness it deserves. Nevertheless, I support this Report to ensure that all necessary payments for CFS expenditures are processed before June.

I submit.

Thank you. Member for Kibra.

Thank you, Honourable Speaker. I rise to join my colleagues in discussing the long-standing issue of public debt in this country. I believe we need to itemise these debts when they are brought to the House for discussion. We must understand what debts we are repaying; otherwise, we could end up paying for air for an extended period. This debt increases every year. It is now about Ksh9 trillion to Ksh10 trillion. When the Cabinet Secretary was here last, he promised to constitute a committee to address the debts he inherited. We remain hopeful that he will uphold his commitment and that the 60- day timelines often set by Cabinet Secretaries will be a thing of the past.

As a House, as Hon. (Dr) Makali has said, we need adequate time to review documents. We must not be hurriedly handed materials that should have been available for the past month. Furthermore, concerning Article 223, which is often used to regularise expenditure after the fact, this House must implement measures to ensure that expenditures are approved before being incurred. Otherwise, I support this Motion.

Member for Teso South.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also rise to support the Report, but I wish to make some observations. As a House and as a country, we can certainly do better than this. We are witnessing an excessive number of supplementary budgets. Supplementary budgets should only be used for essential adjustments to address unexpected expenditures. However, many of the costs we are adjusting were not unexpected, such as reductions in the energy sector and the National Affirmative Action Fund (NGAAF) .

We have seen reductions in funding for various ministries, departments, and agencies (MDAs) , including education capitation and university funding. These were already known expenditures that should have been accounted for and, therefore, should not be subject to adjustment under supplementary budgets. Furthermore, the reductions in capital expenditure, stemming from an inability to generate projected revenues, highlight the need for MDAs to adopt realistic projections to prevent unnecessary adjustments that negatively impact implementation. The uncertainty surrounding MDAs cannot continue. We must reduce the frequency of supplementary budgets going forward to ensure that Kenyans receive the services they need without affecting functions that are already budgeted for.

For instance, many constituencies across the country did not receive their electricity allocations due to various adjustments made in the last financial year. This issue arose partly because the Finance Bill, which would have provided funding, collapsed. I call for those constituencies that did not receive funding for last-mile connectivity to be considered for affirmative action. Had we had the opportunity as committees to scrutinise these matters, we would have insisted on maintaining those allocations affected in Supplementary III.

Thank you.

Thank you. Now, let us hear from the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I commend the Committee for the good Report and agree with them on one of the recommendations. You will notice that the stock of debt, particularly the Trade Development Bank (TDB) syndicated

loan, is decreasing from Ksh173.8 billion to Ksh58.97 billion, representing a reduction of Ksh114.87 billion. This means an additional fiscal space of Ksh114 billion has been created. We need to implement a policy that ensures this fiscal space, created by the reduction in debt stock, is used for development expenditures so that it does not end up funding the repayment of other debts or current spending. I urge the Committee to ensure that the National Treasury develops a policy to ensure that each fiscal space created, such as the one outlined in this Report of Ksh114 billion, is reflected in the development side.

Secondly is the issue of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) allocation, which we discussed in this Budget. I noticed that both Supplementary Estimates II and Supplementary Estimates III have deliberately not provided resources for the NG-CDF allocation. Therefore, the onus has been left to this House to fill that gap. In Supplementary Estimates III, it was Ksh12 billion, and in Supplementary Estimates II, I think it was Ksh24 billion. This means that instead of the Departmental Committees— last time the Budget was done by the Liaison Committee, and this time by the Budget and Appropriations Committee – trying to scrutinise the whole Budget to ensure that the allocations are on priority projects, they focus on trying to fill that Ksh12 billion gap. The risk is that we now fail to apply our minds to overseeing the rest of the Budget.

We need to send very good communication and ensure that by the time these Estimates are tabled in the House, funds that are ring-fenced, either through the Constitution or through an Act of Parliament, are sufficiently provided for. This way, the Committee will have no business finding resources to fill that gap. As it stands, we seem to concentrate only on that particular area at the expense of ensuring that the Budget is appropriated fairly and transparently according to the country's priority areas.

With that, I beg to agree and support the Report. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Thank you. There being no further interest in this matter, I would like to request the Mover to reply. Mover.

Just a minute, Hon. Rindikiri. I had said that if you wanted to work on this, you should put your card in the intervention, and you did not. Hon. Rindikiri, you have three minutes. Have a say on this.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The Report from the Committee urges the Government to consider implementing a national liability management policy. This is very key. The Policy will address the usage, costs, and sustainability of the debts that we have. More importantly, that Policy is also going to address the limit of these debts.

The problems we have now are due to the lack of such a policy that sets the guidelines. When we passed the Tax Policy in this country, things started to shape up in terms of how tax management would be handled. In the absence of a national liability management policy, the National Treasury has the leeway to conduct debt management activities as it sees fit. Therefore, I urge that this Policy be put in place immediately. It will establish guidelines and measures aimed at reducing debt servicing.

We have a very serious problem. How are the loans being used? Currently, we do not know the costs of various debts. We need to determine whether to pursue short-term or long- term debt and what we will do with the loans. Without such a policy, that is why you see money not being allocated to some issues in the Budget.

I agree with the Committee's Report that there is a need to have a national liability management policy. It will clearly outline the guidelines on how we will manage the debts of this Republic.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Thank you. Mover, proceed.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I thank the Members for their support and comments. I fully concur with the comments of Hon. Makali Mulu, especially on the exchange rates and all other Members who have contributed to this Motion. The Committee will continue to work hard to ensure that this House is well informed on the changes to the Consolidated Fund Services and the sustainability of these mandatory expenditures that affect other critical budget expenditures. I also thank Hon. Irene Kasalu for her support in moving this Motion.

With that, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to reply. Thank you.

Hon. Members, if you remember, we had reorganised the Order Paper to cover the Orders we just finalised. I, therefore, wish we go back to Order No. 5. Hon. John Mwirigi, you have a paper to lay. Hon. Mwirigi, go ahead.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to lay the following paper on the Table:

A report of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) Kenya delegation to the 67th Commonwealth Parliamentary Conference held in Sydney, Australia, from 3rd to 8th November 2024. Thank you.

The paper is accordingly laid. Proceed to lay.

Next Order.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This is a very important matter that affects all of us seated here, as well as those who are not here, representing the people of Kenya in their constituencies. It is a request for a Statement regarding the re-categorisation of public secondary schools.

Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44(2)(c), I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education regarding the recent re- categorisation of public secondary schools.

The Ministry of Education has recently issued guidelines on the re-categorisation of secondary schools in preparation for the transition of Grade 9 pupils to Grade 10 in 2026. Although these guidelines have not yet been officially published on the Ministry's website, a document categorising public secondary schools into Clusters C1, C2, C3, C4, and C5 is already circulating on various online platforms and social media. Strikingly, only two schools in the entire Busia County have been classified as Cluster 1 national schools: Butula Boys High School and Kolanya Girls High School. Notably, no school in Funyula Constituency has been elevated to national school status, despite several schools within the county and across the country being elevated to this status. Among those elevated in Busia County are Nambale Boys High School and St Stephen's Lwanya Girls Secondary School.

It is concerning that two prominent schools in Funyula Constituency, namely Sigalame Boys High School and St. Cecilia Nangina Girls High School, have not been considered for elevation to National School Cluster C1 status. Sigalame Boys High School, founded in 1965, currently has an enrolment of 1,062 learners and has maintained an average mean score of 6.9 over the past three years. St. Cecilia Nangina Girls High School, founded in 1966, has a student population of 1,419 and has also maintained an average mean score of 6.8 in the Kenya Certificate of Secondary Education (KCSE) over the past three years. In addition, the two schools have recorded a mean score of 7.26 and 7.031, respectively, for the 2004 KCSE, thus ranking fifth and seventh in Busia County.

It is against this background that a request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education on the following:

I cannot see any Member from the Departmental Committee on Education.

Hon. Orero, are you a Member of the Committee? How long will it take for this to be processed by the Committee? Hon. Gisairo?

We should have an answer to that one week after we resume from recess.

Okay. This should be responded to on 29th July 2025. You are free to appear before the Committee and have this processed before it is brought back to the House.

That is a very good ruling. However, I wish it could come much earlier.

We have already made a decision.

I have something to put into perspective so that he can understand the urgency of the matter. Currently, the grade nine...

No. Order. Order, Hon. Oundo. Sit down. You had a chance to read out your request. I allowed you without any interruption. We have made an order that the response by Statement be brought back here on 29th July 2025. Meanwhile, you are free to appear before the Committee to canvass this and any other matter you would want canvassed on the Floor.

It will not help the House if you are giving more information now. Appear before the Committee concerned. Otherwise, the report will be brought back to us on 29th July 2025. This report must cover the whole country, not just Busia. Thank you.

Next is Hon. (Dr) Irene Kasalu.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No. 44 (2) (c) . It regards the unlawful detention of the body of Mrs Priscilla Nyokabi Gaku by Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) Farewell Home.

The late Ms Priscilla Nyokabi Gaku was admitted to the KNH Private Wing on 2nd April 2024, under inpatient number IPOO75640. Ms Gaku was treated in hospital for 43 days but unfortunately lost her life on 30th May 2024, leaving an outstanding bill of Ksh1,155,486. The family was only able to raise Ksh234,000. As a result, the hospital unlawfully detained the body of the deceased and demanded that the family offset the pending bill.

The continued detention of Ms Gaku's body by the hospital has subjected the family of the deceased to inhumane torture. It is against this background that I request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health on the following:

Thank you. Hon. Chair of the Departmental Committee on Health.

Thank you. This is an urgent matter because I understand that the body is still detained. We are going to work on the issue immediately. A report will come within one week after we resume from recess. However, action definitely needs to be taken even before recess is over because the body is still detained. Hence, it is an urgent matter.

Thank you. The report will be brought on 29th July 2025. In any case, the Member is advised to liaise with the Chairman of the Committee so that any urgent matters that could be handled before then can be dealt with.

Hon. Jematiah Florence, do you have a Request for a Statement?

I have.

Go ahead. You have the microphone. Is it a Request for a Statement on a clean environment?

I do not have it here, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Sorry.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.44 (2) (C) , I request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Committee on Implementation regarding the status of implementation of a resolution of the National Assembly regarding initiatives to promote a clean environment.

By a resolution passed on Thursday, 21st April 2016, during the 11th Parliament, the House approved a Motion sponsored by the then Member of Emuhaya Constituency, Hon. (Dr) Wilber Ottichilo. It resolved that the government declares one Thursday of each month to be dedicated by every Kenyan household, organised groups, public and private institutions, and corporate organisations, to cleaning and beautifying the immediate environment and public places. The government is supposed to initiate proactive programmes in all schools to inculcate a culture of keeping our environment clean and healthy. The intent behind this policy is to foster environmental responsibility, reduce pollution and promote sustainable waste management practices as anchored in Articles 69 and 70 of the Constitution.

Standing Order No.209 (2) (a) empowers the Committee on Implementation to scrutinise resolutions of the House and examine whether or not such decisions and undertakings have been implemented, the extent to which they have been implemented, and whether the implementation has taken place within the minimum time necessary. It is, therefore, imperative that the House is apprised of the progress made by the Ministry of Environment, Climate Change and Forestry in the development and implementation of this initiative.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is against this background that I seek a Statement from the Chairperson of the Select Committee on Implementation to provide a comprehensive report on the progress made in implementing the initiative to promote a clean environment as passed by the National Assembly on Thursday, 21st April 2016.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Thank you. Is any Member of the

Committee on Implementation in the House today? This request is referred to the Committee

(Motion deferred)

Is Hon. Sabina Chege in the House? The Motion is deferred. Next Order.

(Motion deferred)

Hon. Tim Wanyonyi is not in the House. Therefore, the Motion is hereby again deferred.

(Motion deferred)

Hon. Charles Ngusya is not here. The Motion is accordingly deferred for the non-attendance of the sponsor. Next Order.

Hon. Shurie? This is quite unusual. The same thing happened last week on Wednesday. Members have their Motions listed on the Order Paper, but they do not appear to prosecute them. When the Majority side decides to take that time, complaints arise. I will, therefore, advise the Speaker to permanently drop the Motions listed last week and this week from the Order Paper.

(Motion dropped)

Motion 18 is also dropped due to the sponsor's non-attendance. Next Order.

I thought I saw Hon. Jack Wamboka in the House today. The Bill is also deferred to the next time it appears on the Order Paper.

(Bill deferred)

(Bill deferred)

This Bill is also deferred for the second time due to the sponsor’s non-attendance. The House should note the same. Next Order.

(Bill dropped)

Hon. Members, this Bill was also deferred last week for further consultations. It will now be dropped, and the Speaker and the House Business Committee will debate it accordingly. Next Order.

(Bill deferred)

I cannot see Hon. Didmus Barasa, although I saw him in the House earlier on. The Bill is thereby deferred due to the sponsor's non-attendance.

Hon. Members, there being no further business, the House stands adjourned until 2.30 p.m.

The House rose at 11.45 a.m.

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