Tuesday, 6th June, 2023

Clerk, do we have quorum?

Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes.

Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we do have quorum now. So, you may stop the Bell. Clerk, may call the first Order.

Sen. Boy, kindly take your seat.

Hon. Senators as you are all aware, the National Breakfast is an annual event in the calendar of Parliament. It is an interdenominational prayer meeting sponsored by Members of Parliament, both Senate and National Assembly.

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This year's National Prayer Breakfast is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, 7th June, 2023, from 7 a.m. at the Safari Park Hotel in Nairobi. The theme is: ‘Reconciliation with God and with Man’.

The event is co-ordinated by National Organising Committee, which has been working closely with the Kenya National Prayer Breakfast Coordination Team. The Organizing Committee is co-chaired by Senator Daniel Maanzo, MP, of the Senate and hon. Samuel Chepkonga, MP, of the National Assembly.

Hon. Senators, as you may recall, on Wednesday, 31st May, 2023, the Senate passed a resolution to suspend the morning sitting on Wednesday, 7th June, 2023. This was done with a view to allow Senators an opportunity to attend the National Prayer Breakfast.

I, therefore, I urge all Senators to prioritize and attend the events. Further details relating to the event will be issued through the Office of the Clerk.

I thank you.

Hon. Senators, part of our duty as legislators is to continually seek to better the legislative process and contribute to its development. In this respect, the Senate, through the Office of the Clerk, has developed two publications - the compendium of considered rulings, directives and guidelines issued by the Speaker of the Senate of Kenya during the 12th Parliament and a Handbook for Legislators on Plenary and Committee of the Whole, proceedings.

These two publications contribute to the repertoire of publications that document the Senate's practice precedence and procedure over the last decade or so. They also make an input in the continuous capacity development of legislators and parliamentary staff.

Hon. Senators, the Compendium of Considered Rulings, as it is commonly referred, forms part of the practices and traditions of the Senate as it highlights the full text of the rulings as given by the Speaker, the Deputy Speaker and other presiding officers. The rulings serve as a point of reference for future speakers when faced with matters of similar nature.

The Compendium is also a reference point for rulings that may require review of further development. On the other hand, the Handbook for Legislators on Plenary and Committee of the Whole proceedings, offers practical insights on how to prosecute legislative business in the Senate within the framework of the Standing Orders. It highlights the proper order of business and gives tips on what, when and how legislators may make their contribution in the Senate.

Hon. Senators, the two publications are available in the Senate Journals Office, which is located on the ground floor of Parliament buildings. It the first room on the left in the hallway as you make your way to the chamber. It is my hope that you will find the two publications useful in the discharge of your constitutional roles and responsibilities.

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I thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First, I want to thank you for allowing me to welcome the young people from my part of the world, Bungoma County. As you all know, Bungoma is a very unique county to visit us in the Senate.

Bungoma has had the opportunity to produce a Speaker who was sitting exactly where the hon. King is sitting. In addition, Bungoma County has now produced the current Speaker in the National Assembly.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are people of distinction and we want to urge all the counties of Kenya to learn from us. I hope you are all joining me in congratulating them and welcoming them.

With your permission, allow me to tell them murio muno, muchende vulai mukalukha ingo,Were avalinde.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you understand the rules of this House. We do not allow people to speak in tongues. Therefore, kindly proceed to withdraw the last part and speak in English, so that not just the visitors, but also your colleagues can be able to understand.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, to remain strictly within the Standing Orders, allow me to say without withdrawing, if you allow me, that for the words that I spoke in Kiluhya, I quote, and unquote.

Thank you.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, kindly proceed with the Luhya version and translate it to English.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Luhya version was that, you are most welcome. Travel well when you go back and may the God Almighty give you journey mercies.

Clerk, proceed with the next Order.

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Hon. Senators, due to the packed business of the day, I am afraid I will not allow comments on this Petition, pursuant to Standing Order No.237. Instead, I will straightaway proceed to commit the Petition to the relevant committee for its consideration.

In this case, I direct that the Petition be committed to the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare. In terms of Standing Order No.238 (2) , the committee is required, in not more than 60 calendar days from the time of reading this prayer, to respond to the petitioner by way of a report addressed to the petitioner and laid on the Table of the Senate.

The Chairperson Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare to present a report on the Petition.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am guided by your direction on the matter of KEWOTA and TSC. I just want to plead with you to find it okay to just open a window even if it is just one Member each from that and this side. Matters of education, teachers and the TSC are touchy. They are affecting a section of an entire county where members have been drafted into a union without their consent.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, kindly reconsider and open a window for a comment or two from Members.

Sen. Wambua, I am afraid I may not be in a position to allow comments on this. If you look at the Order Paper, you will agree with me that one of your Bills has been with us since the day I was sworn in. The reason is that we have been expending a lot of time on Petitions and Statements.

Today we want to reach your Bill. The only way to do that is to make sure we do not allow comments. Instead, we should commit this Petition to the relevant committee.

In all fairness, I am at pain looking at your Bill appearing like a fixture in the Order Paper. We need to make deliberate efforts to reach this business today. That is the reason we have restricted comments.

The Chairperson of the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, kindly proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for allowing me to table this report on the Petition by Mr. James Muriu Gakonga and other residents of Lamu, Baringo and Nairobi counties concerning Linda Soccer tapping into Kshs302 billion football economy.

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I beg to table.

Let us go to the next Order.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of this Senate, today, 6th June, 2023-

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Kericho Municipality for the year ended 30th June, 2020.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Kericho Municipality for the year ended 30th June, 2021.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Kericho Municipality for the year ended 30th June, 2022.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Kericho County Assembly Members Car and Mortgage Scheme Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2022.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Tana River County Inuka Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2020.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Tana River County Inuka Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2021.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Tana River County Inuka Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2022.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Tana River County Staff Car Loan and Mortgage Scheme Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2022.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Siaya County Emergency Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2021.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Siaya County Emergency Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2022.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Kakamega County Emergency Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2021.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Kakamega County Agricultural Inputs Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2022.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Receiver of Revenue – Revenue Statements of the County Government of Busia for the year ended 30th June, 2022.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Samburu County Assembly Car Loan and Mortgage Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2022.

Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the Bungoma County Assembly Members’ Car Loan and Mortgage Scheme Fund for the year ended 30th June,

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Report of the Auditor General on the Financial Statements of Taita Taveta County Datu Sawazisha Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2022.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following report on the Table of the Senate today, 6th June, 2023:

Report of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget on the Prompt Payment Bill (Senate Bills No. 8 of 2022) .

Next Order.

These are Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.53. When the Petition was read, I gave directions. Again, once you have read out your Statement, it will be committed to the relevant Committee. Therefore, we are not going to have any comments.

However, I will allow only six interventions on Statement No.2; three from the majority and three from the minority side. The Statement is by the Senator for Nandi County and it touches on Members of County Assembly (MCAs) .

Sen. Kathuri, you can seek your Statement now.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.3 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education, on the alarmingly high rate of transfer of teachers at KK Mukalamatu Primary School, Karama Ward in Tigania East Constituency in Meru County.

In the Statement, the Committee should -

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Thank you.

Sen. Cherarkey, proceed to request your Statement.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, on the slashing of salaries and allowances for the Members of County Assemblies (MCAs) in the Financial Year 2022/2023.

In the Statement, the Committee should -

Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity to comment on the Statement by the Senator for Nandi County, on the welfare of MCAs of this Republic. I have just two things to say: We all agree that MCAs are at the bottom of the pyramid when it comes to carrying out oversight responsibilities.

In fact, the courts have pronounced themselves on the important role played by MCAs; that they undertake primary oversight. This includes vetting of officers recruited by their respective county governments.

To expect that an MCA will earn Kshs86,000 and then recruit CECMs who earn Kshs400,000 is laughable. To expect that MCAs will oversight governors who are controlling billions of shillings is to expect too much from our MCAs. In fact, what we should have done is increase the salaries and allowances of our MCAs, to equip them properly for purposes of undertaking primary oversight.

Devolution will either succeed or fail in county assemblies. The success or failure of devolution will be directly related to the amount of money that we give to the MCAs, not just as salaries but as allowances to carry out their responsibilities.

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, lastly, I hope that after we are done with this Statement, he will follow it up from where it goes. I know the Senator for Nandi County is capable of doing this. I hope that he will take a step forward and move this Statement from just being a conversation around salaries and allowances of MCAs, to a situation where we begin to apply our minds and debate on the Ward Development Fund.

(Applause) We need to agree on the proportion of money which goes to governors, that should be allocated to specific wards, to enable our MCAs carry out proper oversight.

I thank the Senator for Nandi County for coming up with this Statement. He is doing a good job these days and trying to endear himself to his people, which is good thing.

Proceed, Sen. Cheruiyot.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join my colleague, Sen. Wambua, in congratulating Sen. Cherarkey for bringing to the Senate a very topical issue. It is a conversation that is going on, unfortunately, in the wrong places.

I have seen our brothers and sisters from the county assemblies trying to prosecute this point in funerals, weddings and churches. Unfortunately, Kenyans are Kenyans. There is no day a Kenyan will ever expect an extra coin to go to the pocket of any politician. At the end of the day, immediately after that function where they have told you that we cannot add you a coin, the same Kenyans will follow you and say: “Please, pay us, we want to go home.”

They are just like Members of Parliament (MPs) who are opposed to the Finance Bill. On one mouth, they oppose it and on the other, they are saying they want to see better roads and development in their counties.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this conversation is better heard in the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations where we can reason as adults. Let the Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC) come and explain before this House the justification for these findings. This is because it is grossly out of order.

It is unfair to expect that our Members of county Assembly (MCAs) will perform their constitutional mandate and be the bodies and organs that Kenyans envisioned when they passed the Constitution of Kenya, 2010 while being paid a paltry Kshs80,000. At the same time, they have been denied car grants and sitting allowance just like they did for Members of this House.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, at least, MPs are slightly paid better and they can survive. Imagine an MCA who wakes up in the village to find a que of 10 to 20 citizens expecting him or her to sort a few of their problems, as is the tradition in this country, with a paltry Kshs86,000. What will MCAs do? They will have to find creative ways of surviving. Unfortunately, some of them involve undermining the very duty for which they were elected.

That is why you find MCAs have turned into choir masters for governors. It is not their wish. They should be properly compensated. As a Senate, we should give them the necessary support and increased their ceiling.

Comparatively, we need to undertake a study. Our allocation for the coming financial year as Parliament is Kshs40 billion in a budget of close to Kshs3 trillion. What

A are the ceilings that we are putting in our various county assemblies? You know the politics that goes with it.

You know the fight that came about until we did an amendment to the Public Finance Management Act to separate the accounts of county assemblies with those of the county executive members. Unfortunately, it has gone through very difficult times. It is until petitions are brought to this House that they benefit from some of these things.

Mr. Speaker Sir, I recall in our first term of this House, MCAs appeared before the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. I was then serving as a Member. They informed us how difficult it was back then when they served under a unified account together with the county executive. There are governors who would even delay salaries of individual MCAs because they either supported or did not support their activities. We do not want to take the county assemblies down that route.

Lyn Mengich, the Chairperson of SRC, must come before the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. Let them give us their justification. This is not about the earning or the wellbeing of MCAs; this is about devolution. Therefore, I expect that the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations will lead us into having a structured conversation so that eventually we can right what is grossly wrong to our MCAs.

Sen. Madzayo, you may have the Floor. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante Bw. Spika. Kwanza, ninamshukuru ndugu yetu, Sen. Cherarkey, Seneta wa Kaunti ya Nandi.

Kama kuna askari ama first-hand solders wa devolution ni MCAs wetu. Bila hao, hakuna devolution kwa sababu hao ndio wanahusika na watu directly. Sisi tukienda kule, inakuwa ni baada ya kuunda policy hapa. Lakini, kama kuna watu ambao wanatakiwa kuangaliwa vilivyo na serikali za ugatuzi, ni MCAs.

Bw. Spika, ni jambo la kusikitisha na aibu kuona kwamba jopo la Ms. Mengich ambalo linahusika na mishahara linazembea. Hatujui ni kwa sababu gani. Lakini, ni jambo la kusikitisha leo kuona wale wanaopanga mambo ya mishahara kuweza kumpatia MCA Kshs80,000 kila mwezi ama ikifika mwisho ni Kshs120,000.

Wale ambao wameandikwa ndani ya kaunti kama Mawaziri ambao hawakuchaguliwa na wananchi, hawajui hata kutafuta kura moja, wanapendelewa na kupewa maofisi, na magavana. Wamepewa magari, walinzi, makatibu na wanapikiwa chai saa nne, ilhali, MCAs ambao walitafuta kura kutoka kwa wananchi hawapewi. Ukiangalia tofauti zao ni kwamba yule aliyepewa kazi, chai na gari anaambiwa kazi yake itakuwa kuzunguka ama kuangalia maswala kulingana na wizara yake. County Executive Committee Member (CECM) anapata Kshs400,000. Hii ni mara nne ama tano zaidi ya MCA. Hii ni makosa na dhambi.

Ni muhimu Ms. Mengich aje hapa tuwe na date na yeye. Ninataka kumwambia kwa kinaga ubaga ya kwamba aliyofanya ni dhambi kwa MCAs. Ikizidi sana, inatakikana CECM wapate Kshs80,000 na MCAs wapate Kshs400,000.

Bw. Spika, dhambi kama hizi hatuwezi kuruhusu hapa ndani. Ninaunga mkono Sen. Cherarkey, ndugu yangu wa Nandi Kaunti, kwa kuleta swala hili hapa.

Sen. Kathuri, you may have the Floor.

Asante Bw. Spika. Kwanza, ninamshukuru ndugu yetu, Sen. Cherarkey, Seneta wa Kaunti ya Nandi. Kama kuna askari ama first-hand solders wa devolution ni MCAs wetu. Bila hao, hakuna devolution kwa sababu hao ndio wanahusika na watu directly. Sisi tukienda kule, inakuwa ni baada ya kuunda policy hapa. Lakini, kama kuna watu ambao wanatakiwa kuangaliwa vilivyo na serikali za ugatuzi, ni MCAs. Bw. Spika, ni jambo la kusikitisha na aibu kuona kwamba jopo la Ms. Mengich ambalo linahusika na mishahara linazembea. Hatujui ni kwa sababu gani. Lakini, ni jambo la kusikitisha leo kuona wale wanaopanga mambo ya mishahara kuweza kumpatia MCA Kshs80,000 kila mwezi ama ikifika mwisho ni Kshs120,000. Wale ambao wameandikwa ndani ya kaunti kama Mawaziri ambao hawakuchaguliwa na wananchi, hawajui hata kutafuta kura moja, wanapendelewa na kupewa maofisi, na magavana. Wamepewa magari, walinzi, makatibu na wanapikiwa chai saa nne, ilhali, MCAs ambao walitafuta kura kutoka kwa wananchi hawapewi. Ukiangalia tofauti zao ni kwamba yule aliyepewa kazi, chai na gari anaambiwa kazi yake itakuwa kuzunguka ama kuangalia maswala kulingana na wizara yake. County Executive Committee Member (CECM) anapata Kshs400,000. Hii ni mara nne ama tano zaidi ya MCA. Hii ni makosa na dhambi. Ni muhimu Ms. Mengich aje hapa tuwe na date na yeye. Ninataka kumwambia kwa kinaga ubaga ya kwamba aliyofanya ni dhambi kwa MCAs. Ikizidi sana, inatakikana CECM wapate Kshs80,000 na MCAs wapate Kshs400,000. (Applause) Bw. Spika, dhambi kama hizi hatuwezi kuruhusu hapa ndani. Ninaunga mkono Sen. Cherarkey, ndugu yangu wa Nandi Kaunti, kwa kuleta swala hili hapa.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to also weigh into this matter.

This body called SRC should be disbanded with immediate effect.

This Commission sits almost thrice a month. You fail to understand what they meet every week and every month to review? This is because once you review the salary for officers, then that is it. Unless Senators have mercy with this body, it can just be temporary or just meet twice or thrice a year.

The allowances that they draw are in excess of Kshs40,000 per meeting. Then, when MCAs who are elected by members of the public sit in a county assembly to execute their mandate, they hardly get Kshs3,000. This is hypocrisy which started when Sarah Serem was the Chairperson of SRC. We battled with her when I was in the other House until the new Chairperson came in. We thought she will be better but she is worse.

That is why I support the sentiments by colleagues that the SRC chairperson and her Board should appear before this House so that we ask them hard questions. That should just be an open forum so that every Senator can be able to express themselves.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, Kshs80,000 as the salary of MCAs is a slap on their face. These are elected members just like us. They are legislators who oversight and also---

Sen. Kathuri, there is a point of information. Do you wish to be informed?

Yes, the Senator for Kitui County, my uncle, can inform me. He has good intentions.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I just want to inform my brother the Senator for Meru County. He is actually my uncle. Do not dispute that.

Maybe we need to ask the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations not to hear that matter at Committee level. The matter should be heard at the Committee of the Whole so that every Senator comes here and deals with it.

Sen. Wambua, are you contributing or informing Sen. Kathuri? I do not see any information there.

Proceed, Sen. Kathuri.

A important for the Senators to have oversight fund to work in the many constituencies that we serve.

(Applause) We have no apologies to make. This is a matter of national importance that should be handled properly. I do not want to overemphasize on this matter. The MCAs are suffering. The Nakuru County Assembly was closed indefinitely today. The others have also closed because of salaries. County assemblies are currently closing shop. They cannot be able to move even to the assemblies and they have suspended their activities.

Sen. Olekina, you can pursue other things but this is a bipartisan matter, on MCAs.

(Laughter) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank you.

A important for the Senators to have oversight fund to work in the many constituencies that we serve.

(Applause) We have no apologies to make. This is a matter of national importance that should be handled properly. I do not want to overemphasize on this matter. The MCAs are suffering. The Nakuru County Assembly was closed indefinitely today. The others have also closed because of salaries. County assemblies are currently closing shop. They cannot be able to move even to the assemblies and they have suspended their activities.

Sen. Olekina, you can pursue other things but this is a bipartisan matter, on MCAs.

(Laughter) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank you.

A for called financial autonomy. We want our county assemblies to have financial autonomy so that they are not captured by governors. We sit here, divide money among counties in the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (CARB) , after we make the law, the governors start treating that money as theirs. They do not want to make MCAs comfortable in terms of discharging their duties.

Members, let us not fall prey TO being set up against Members of the National Assembly. Let us move together with them to ensure that the welfare of all of us is well taken care of. I can assure you that if you send me or Hon. Cheruiyot to the President, with a properly argued case, I can assure you President William Ruto, a ‘hustler’ like all of us, will support it and we will make sure our MCAs are well off.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

A for called financial autonomy. We want our county assemblies to have financial autonomy so that they are not captured by governors. We sit here, divide money among counties in the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (CARB) , after we make the law, the governors start treating that money as theirs. They do not want to make MCAs comfortable in terms of discharging their duties.

Members, let us not fall prey TO being set up against Members of the National Assembly. Let us move together with them to ensure that the welfare of all of us is well taken care of. I can assure you that if you send me or Hon. Cheruiyot to the President, with a properly argued case, I can assure you President William Ruto, a ‘hustler’ like all of us, will support it and we will make sure our MCAs are well off.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Onyonka, you---

I have not called you. You are out of order.

You are totally out of order. I will give you the first caution of the day. Sen. (Prof.) Ojienda, proceed.

A the proposal was that at the third election, MCAs would have at least a minimum degree qualification to be elected.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I believe this is a point that this Senate should push. In as much as we are pushing for better salaries, let us also push for quality MCAs who understand issues, can defend devolution but who are also able to stand up to the Executive. Let us not just talk about giving money to MCAs, some of whom do not understand the role of oversight or the Constitution of this country.

Sen. Cherarkey, it is important that we call a spade a spade and we ensure that we have quality MCAs elected with the Houses. I support in part the need to have better salaries but let us also have capacity---

A the proposal was that at the third election, MCAs would have at least a minimum degree qualification to be elected.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I believe this is a point that this Senate should push. In as much as we are pushing for better salaries, let us also push for quality MCAs who understand issues, can defend devolution but who are also able to stand up to the Executive. Let us not just talk about giving money to MCAs, some of whom do not understand the role of oversight or the Constitution of this country.

Sen. Cherarkey, it is important that we call a spade a spade and we ensure that we have quality MCAs elected with the Houses. I support in part the need to have better salaries but let us also have capacity---

Can the Senator be heard in silence, please?

I am teaching the law. Please listen to me.

The Elections Act ought to be put in effect. I am the advocate who went to court to stop degree qualifications. I will also remind you that I did that then and I got orders to allow MCAs who do not have degrees to be elected in the last election. However, today I am saying that perhaps it is time at the next election that we get MCAs who have degrees to be elected so that they can do oversight.

Let me support Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale on the question of independence and the Division of Revenue Bill so that when monies are taken to the counties, let the Executive not ride roughshod over the county assemblies because county assembly leadership - that is Leader of Majority and Minority - go to bed with the Executive so as to get favours and therefore that undermines devolution and the entire intent of county governments.

So, I support in part, but let the good salaries come with an obligation and a duty on the part of MCAs. Otherwise, we will add money to a marauding crowd that will not undertake oversight.

I thank you.

A Members of Parliament to be where we are today. It was because of his efforts that we ended up with an independent commission that is able to fight for our rights.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wanted us not to forget this fact, not to forget paying tribute to those who went before us. The way to go for these MCAs is not for us to leave it to the whims and the decisions of the Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC) alone. We must have a strong body that is going to establish the standards and payments for these people. It must be a constitutional body so that these people can serve our people at their level without financial embarrassment.

We should support this Petition by Sen. Cherarkey. I submit.

A Members of Parliament to be where we are today. It was because of his efforts that we ended up with an independent commission that is able to fight for our rights.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wanted us not to forget this fact, not to forget paying tribute to those who went before us. The way to go for these MCAs is not for us to leave it to the whims and the decisions of the Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC) alone. We must have a strong body that is going to establish the standards and payments for these people. It must be a constitutional body so that these people can serve our people at their level without financial embarrassment.

We should support this Petition by Sen. Cherarkey. I submit.

Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii kuongezea kauli yangu juu ya taarifa iliyoletwa Bungeni na Sen. Cherarkey, Seneta wa Kaunti ya Nandi. Masaibu yanayokumba Wabunge wa Kaunti zetu ni ya kusikitisha. Ikikumbukwa kwamba ugatuzi ulikuja kuleta tofauti baina ya mabaraza ya miji yalikuwa yanahudumu wakati wa nyuma na mfumo mpya wa Serikali ambao unatumika katika nchi yetu ya Kenya.

Marupurupu wanayopata ni machache sana kulingana na hali ya maisha ilivyo hususan kwa wale ambao wako katika miji mikubwa na miji midogo pia. Tukiangalia, kwa mfano, katika Kaunti ya Mombasa, Wabunge hawa wa Bunge la Kaunti ya Mombasa wanahitajika kupata ofisi na nyumba ambazo zinastahili hadhi yao. Nyumba hizi haziwezi kukodishwa bila pesa. Kwa hivyo, yale marupurupu wanayopata hayawawezeshi kukabiliana na maisha kisawasawa. Ndio mara nyingi, wanapatikana wakihujumu kazi zao kupitia kwa ile ruzuku ndogo ndogo wanazopata kutoka kwa wakuu wa kaunti.

Bw. Spika, ijapokuwa sheria ilibadilishwa na ikawa fedha za county assembly na fedha za county executive ziko mbalimbali, lakini bado utapata kwamba Waziri ama Mwanakamati ambaye anahusika na mambo ya fedha za kaunti husika anahujumu utendakazi wa Bunge la Kaunti kwa sababu pesa zinazokuja kutoka kwa mfuko wa Serikali kuu sio hizo ambazo zinakwenda katika kulipa mishahara au marupurupu ya MCAs.

Kwa hivyo, kuna haja ya kubadilisha ama kurekebisha sheria ya fedha, yaani, Public Finance Management (PFM) Act kuhakikisha kwamba bunge la kaunti lina fedha zake mbali na zile fedha ambazo ziko katika serikali ya kaunti. Hii ni kwa sababu serikali ya kaunti mara nyingi wakiitisha pesa, wanapunguziwa ama wanatolewa pesa kidogo kidogo ili kuhakikisha kwamba kazi zao zinahujumiwa.

Nakubaliana na wenzangu ambao wametoa kauli kwamba swala hili lizungumzwe na Bunge nzima; kauli nzima ya Bunge hili iweze kuzamia swala hili ili wabunge wetu wa county assembly waweze kupata marupurupu ya kisawa sawa. Vile vile, SRC wapewe onyo kwamba kupunguza marupurupu haya kunahujumu ugatuzi katika nchi yetu.

Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii.

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Statement by Sen. Cherarkey. All of us in this House come from different backgrounds and experiences. I was privileged to have participated in three elections alongside the Members of the County Assembly (MCAs) . They go through hell for them to get elected into office especially in the area I come from.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the issue is that the Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC) may act and make decisions behind desks without having the reality of what the MCAs undergo.

For the SRC to remain relevant and be seen to be doing something in their functional responsibility, they decide to reduce. However, the reality is that these grassroots leaders are suffering yet they are the first contact who live and stay with the public. They are the first people the public faces every time there is a problem.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the SRC to have made an unfortunate decision just before the last general election to drastically reduce the remuneration meant for the MCAs, is extremely unfortunate and arrogant.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and Sen. Cherarkey, kindly take your seats.

Sen. Madzayo, take your seat too. Senator of Kilifi, take your seat.

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My appeal to my colleagues is that we need to take up this issue of county assemblies. As the Committee of Finance and Budget, we have received over 16 requests on that issue. Speakers and Clerks are saying they are unable to run those county assemblies with what is going on.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg my colleagues Senators to agree that we scale this issue up for the Committee of the Whole to take drastic action. It is not only about the MCAs but it has also affected devolution by closure of executive activities because budgets are not going to be processed. Finance Bills and other things will stall because assemblies have closed shop.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

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My appeal to my colleagues is that we need to take up this issue of county assemblies. As the Committee of Finance and Budget, we have received over 16 requests on that issue. Speakers and Clerks are saying they are unable to run those county assemblies with what is going on.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg my colleagues Senators to agree that we scale this issue up for the Committee of the Whole to take drastic action. It is not only about the MCAs but it has also affected devolution by closure of executive activities because budgets are not going to be processed. Finance Bills and other things will stall because assemblies have closed shop.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sifuna.

A work in public service, wanaitwa wakubwa, and are called senior people on the ground there, yet their salaries have not grown.

Let us not have this conversation in the context in which the country is in right now. What I want us to do---

A work in public service, wanaitwa wakubwa, and are called senior people on the ground there, yet their salaries have not grown.

Let us not have this conversation in the context in which the country is in right now. What I want us to do---

What is your point of order, Sen. Methu?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would not have wanted to disrupt my big brother, Sen. Sifuna, but it is fair I quote Standing Order No. 105- Responsibility for Statement of Fact -

“A Senator shall be responsible for the accuracy of any facts that the Senator alleges to be true and may be required to substantiate any such facts instantly.” Mr. Speaker, Sir, I find the argument of Sen. Sifuna misleading that the more amount of money we sent to counties, the more MCAs will get because capping of what the MCAs or any public servant earns is by the SRC.

Even if we were to send Kshs1 trillion to the counties and money has been capped at Kshs86,000, the county assembly or county Government cannot raise their salaries. Sen. Sifuna is contributing to a Statement that has not been sought. What Sen. Cherarkey sought this afternoon is a review by the SRC and not a review by DORA, the Senate or by anybody. The only body that has that mandate is the SRC.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sifuna, in your statement, you alluded to the fact that the more money goes to the counties, the more MCAs will--- Is that correct?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is not what I said. When Sen. Cherarkey was speaking, he talked of salaries, allowances and the welfare of MCAs. Let me give an example.

There is a time when the County Assembly of Nairobi could not purchase water. You are also aware that there is a capping on the percentage that can be utilized in terms of emoluments and salaries in the counties. This is what I am saying and it has been submitted on the Floor. Salaries are not the only way to make a Member effective as a legislator and a person who does oversight. Whenever we get an opportunity to grow that basket---

We have had this conversation with MCAs who have appeared before us. They want to have autonomy of their own budgets. I do not think Sen. Methu understood what I was saying because these are matters that had been canvassed here.

On a point of information!

Sen. M. Kajwang’, what is your point of order?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am rising on a point of information to Sen. Sifuna, if he accepts.

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, unfortunately, he is the Chair of the County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) . Since he is my Chair, I have to say yes. I do not have any option.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not know why he said unfortunately but---

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the matter raised by Sen. Methu is not true. Sen. Sifuna is right. If you look at the Public Finance Management

(County Governments)

Regulations of 2015, specifically Regulation 25

(1)

(f)

, you will see that whatever county assemblies get is supposed to be based on the equitable share of a county. The Regulations that we passed currently puts it at 7 per cent of a county’s equitable share, or twice the personnel emoluments, whichever is greater.

So, it is not farfetched for Sen. Sifuna to say that the money we send to counties, the more money is available to county assemblies and not necessarily for salaries. It could be for operations or to facilitate public participation and public outreach and to enable them to carry out their oversight and representation mandate.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wanted to remind Sen. Sifuna of this because we discussed it in the morning. He does not have to apologize to Sen. Methu for making an impression that if we would have voted for Kshs407 billion, then county assemblies would have been given more access to money to carry out operations.

I know the matter before us is about salaries, payments and benefits, but county assemblies would have gotten more money if the Senate gave more money to the counties.

Sen. Sifuna, proceed to conclude your remarks.

Let us rest this matter there. Proceed, Sen. Sifuna.

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Kindly, let us not run away from our primary responsibility and vilify other organizations such as the Commission on Revenue Allocation (CRA). Let us have a conversation with the CRA about allocation of more resources to those who provide oversight once we grow our devolution basket.

I thank you.

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Kindly, let us not run away from our primary responsibility and vilify other organizations such as the Commission on Revenue Allocation (CRA). Let us have a conversation with the CRA about allocation of more resources to those who provide oversight once we grow our devolution basket.

I thank you.

To be fair, I am going to allow our lady Senators to speak. We will start with Sen. Tabitha Mutinda and thereafter Sen. Kavindu Muthama, then we rest this matter.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to support the Statement by Sen. Cherarkey concerning our colleagues on the ground none other than MCAs.

The Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC) Chair allocated themselves a car grant worth Kshs10 million whereas MCAs allocation is Kshs2 million but it is still taxed. That is quite unfair because we know the role MCAs play on the ground level. They are an easy connection between them and the people.

One thing that comes out clearly is lack of autonomy for the county assemblies to budget for their resources. They have to wait for governors to transfer funds after they have been allocated to counties. This has brought friction.

As we address the issue of the welfare of MCAs, we must also address the issue of autonomy by the county assemblies. MCAs should budget for their own funds without depending on the governors. This has made the governors hardheaded. They have to coerce MCAs because they hold the money. It is high time the National Treasury started remitting funds directly to the assemblies, so that MCAs can plan and budget for it.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, MCAs are the ones who elect the Speakers, just like we elected you to sit on that particular seat. The Speaker at the county level earns more than Kshs500,000, among other allowances, yet an MCA earn Kshs86,000. That is quite unfair.

MCAs vet and approve appointment of County Executive Committee Members (CECMs) but the CECMs end up calling the shots eventually. That is wrong and it should stop.

The Senator had requested my Committee on Finance and Budget. I also want to support what my senior colleagues mentioned in terms of this matter being debated in plenary, so that we get to the bottom of this issue.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also request that the issue be given the urgency it deserves. I thank you.

A Fund, I remember telling this House that we should not only push for ours but also for the county assemblies so that they can oversight.

They are at the mercies of the governors because of lack of funds. This means that they will sing the song of the governors and cannot oversight properly. The SRC should review their salaries.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this matter should not be taken to the Committee on Finance and Budget but to a Committee of the Whole House so that all of us can discuss it as a House. This should be treated as an urgent matter, since I have heard some MCAs say that they will lay down their tools. Governors will have a hard time passing their budgets for the coming financial year.

I support this Statement fully.

A Fund, I remember telling this House that we should not only push for ours but also for the county assemblies so that they can oversight.

They are at the mercies of the governors because of lack of funds. This means that they will sing the song of the governors and cannot oversight properly. The SRC should review their salaries.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this matter should not be taken to the Committee on Finance and Budget but to a Committee of the Whole House so that all of us can discuss it as a House. This should be treated as an urgent matter, since I have heard some MCAs say that they will lay down their tools. Governors will have a hard time passing their budgets for the coming financial year.

I support this Statement fully.

Serjeant-at-arms, kindly proceed to ring the Division Bell for five minutes.

Serjeant-at-arms, proceed to ring the Bell for a further five minutes.

Serjeant-at-Arms, proceed to close the Door and draw the Bar.

Serjeant-at-arms, kindly proceed to ring the Division Bell for five minutes.

Serjeant-at-arms, proceed to ring the Bell for a further five minutes.

Serjeant-at-Arms, proceed to close the Door and draw the Bar.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed to your designated seat. Serjeant-at-Arms, once you are done collecting the cards that are in the delegates units, kindly let me know. Have you collected all the cards remaining in the delegates units?

Hon. Senators, you may proceed to vote. Just log in your cards in the delegate units and vote by pressing ‘yes’, ‘no’, or ‘abstain’.

(Voting in progress)

Proceed from now. The following Senators will proceed to vote manually- Sen. Gataya Mo Fire; Sen. M. Kajwang’; Sen. Wafula and Sen. Faki. Kindly proceed to vote manually so that we conclude this exercise.

Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed to your designated seat. Serjeant-at-Arms, once you are done collecting the cards that are in the delegates units, kindly let me know. Have you collected all the cards remaining in the delegates units?

Hon. Senators, you may proceed to vote. Just log in your cards in the delegate units and vote by pressing ‘yes’, ‘no’, or ‘abstain’.

(Voting in progress)

Proceed from now. The following Senators will proceed to vote manually- Sen. Gataya Mo Fire; Sen. M. Kajwang’; Sen. Wafula and Sen. Faki. Kindly proceed to vote manually so that we conclude this exercise.

Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats.

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(Question, that the Cotton Industry Development Bill (Senate Bills No.5 of 2023, be now read a Second Time, put and the Senate proceeded to vote by County Delegations) AYES: Sen. Ali Roba, Mandera County; Sen. Boy, Kwale County; Sen. Cheptumo, Baringo County; Sen. Cheruiyot, Kericho County; Sen. Chesang’, Trans Nzoia County; Sen.Chute, Marsabit County; Sen. Faki, Mombasa County; Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, Tharaka Nithi County; Sen. Githuku, Lamu County; Sen. Joe Nyutu, Murang’a County; Sen. Kathuri, Meru County; Sen. Kavindu Muthama, Machakos County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Kakamega County; Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, Samburu County; Sen. Lomenen, Turkana County; Sen. M. Kajwang’, Homa Bay County; Sen. Madzayo, Kilifi County; Sen. Mandago, Uasin Gishu County; Sen. Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. Mungatana, MGH, Tana River County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita Taveta County; Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, Siaya County; Sen. Okiya Omtatah, Busia County; Sen. Olekina, Narok County; Sen. Onyonka, Kisii County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen. Seki, Kajiado County; Sen. Sifuna, Nairobi County; Sen. Thang’wa, Kiambu County; Sen. Wamatinga, Nyeri County; Sen. Wambua, Kitui County; and, Sen. Wafula, Bungoma County.

Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly proceed to withdraw the Bar and open the Doors.

Next Order.

Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly proceed to withdraw the Bar and open the Doors.

Next Order.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I need assistance to vote electronically.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Thang’wa, please, come and vote manually.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Hon. Senators, we are going to the second set. Clause 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and the Schedule

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(Question of the amendment proposed) We will vote electronically. You can vote now. You do not need to log out, the system is set and, therefore, just vote.

Sen. Okiya Omtatah and Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, please approach the Chair. Come and vote manually.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I need assistance to vote electronically. The Temporary Chairperson (

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NOES: Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County. The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Veronica Maina): The results of the vote is as follows.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the Senate its consideration of the Equalization Fund Appropriation Bill (Senate Bills No. 3 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Thank you.

The Temporary Chairperson

: We are now going to the next Bill.

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(Question of the amendment proposed) We will vote electronically. You can vote now. You do not need to log out, the system is set and, therefore, just vote.

Sen. Okiya Omtatah and Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, please approach the Chair. Come and vote manually.

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The results of the vote is as follows.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the Senate its consideration of the Equalization Fund Appropriation Bill (Senate Bills No. 3 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. Thank you. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Chairperson (

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the Senate its considerations of the County Vocational Education and Training Bill (Senate Bills No.3 of 2022) and its approval thereof with amendments.

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The Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot, please approach the Chair. Assisted voter.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the Senate its considerations of the County Vocational Education and Training Bill (Senate Bills No.3 of 2022) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Hon. Members, kindly do not leave. Let us finish up with this business.

The Temporary Chairperson of the Committee of the Whole, please report.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Equalization Fund Appropriation Bill (Senate Bills No.3 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Who is seconding?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the County Vocational Education and Training Bill (Senate Bills No.3 of 2022) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Sen. M. Kajwang’.

It should be seconded first?

I request Sen. Mungatana, MGH, to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

No, I called the Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Let us have the Mover again. Sen. M. Kajwang’, you are the Mover. Kindly move that it goes for the Third Reading.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the County Vocational Education and Training Bill (Senate Bills No.3 of 2022) be now read a Third Time. I ask Sen. Sifuna to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Let the Division Bell be rung for three minutes.

Serjeant-at-Arms, please, close the door and draw the Bar.

Hon. Senators, we are now on the Equalization Fund Appropriation Bill (Senate Bills No.3 of 2023) . We will vote on this Bill and the next one; one at a time.

No, I called the Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report.

Who is seconding?

I request Sen. Abdul Haji to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Let us have the Mover again. Sen. M. Kajwang’, you are the Mover. Kindly move that it goes for the Third Reading.

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

These are the results of the Division:

Open the doors.

Hon. Senators, these are the results of the Division:

Senators, proceed and vote.

These are the results of the Division:

He cannot even hear.

We are now back to Statements. We will get Statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) from Sen. Mbugua.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I seek your indulgence that we defer this Statement. This is because what I had forwarded and what is here differs substantially.

Very well. Statement deferred.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have three Statements to make. I will start with the most important one affecting dairy farmers in Murang’a.

Sen. Ali Roba.

He cannot even hear.

Proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I need him to listen to this. It is important. I will take it again.

I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Energy regarding the last mile electricity connectivity to public schools.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

Thank you. Sen. Sifuna has two Statements. I saw him here this afternoon up to the time of Division.

Those Statements are dropped.

What is your point of order?

I want to inform the Senator for Nyandarua that I am in the House.

Thank you, Sen. Joe Nyutu from Murang’a County. I hope you note that I am a ‘Madam Speaker’ not a ‘Speaker Sir.’

Sen. Methu, you may proceed.

I apologize, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Sen. Joe Nyutu is your Senator. I am sure that he would not want to give you a title that does not belong to you.

I rise to comment on these two Statements that have been sought by my neighbour and colleague, Sen. Joe Nyutu.

I shall start with the first on Murang’a County Creameries. Those of us who come from agricultural counties are strongly opined and believe that the breakthrough for our farmers shall come when we start processing our produce. As it is the case for Nyandarua County, which is the leading producer of potatoes in the Republic, we look forward to having the Nyandarua County Government doing a potato processing plant in the potato growing areas.

It is such a sad state of affairs that this landmark government entity in Murang’a County, which we all feel proud of because it came at a point where milk was being bought at low prices and it injected the market and the processing of milk. The people of Murang’a County have been big beneficiaries from it. It will not and should not collapse. I want to believe because the Committee you commit this to will bring the answers. I hope that the creamery did not collapse because of the Governor who launched it left. There must be continuity of service. Taxpayers’ money has been used.

Sen. Sifuna and I sit in the Senate Public Accounts Committee (PAC) , and we always insist that there is perpetuity of offices. It cannot be that when a Governor leaves, he does so with his legacy and dreams and the public money has been spent. This matter is not for the Murang’a County Government alone. The creamery affects the prices of milk in the entire region, Nyandarua County, the leading producer of milk, Kiambu

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developed to facilitate the overhaul or replacement of obsolete water production and supply equipment, and;

is adopting in order to reduce or eliminate instances of non-revenue water such as the one sold by water cartels in the city.

Madam Temporary Speaker, with your permission I would like to read the second Statement on the destruction of property in tea estates belonging to private investors in Kericho and Bomet Counties.

On a point of order!

What is your point of order?

I want to inform the Senator for Nyandarua that I am in the House.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I am holding brief for the Senator for Kirinyaga. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources regarding the supply of clean piped water for domestic use by residents of settlement villages in Mwea Constituency, Kirinyaga County.

In the Statement, the Committee should -

Yes, my Chairman of the caucus can dully inform me. I know he was attending very serious Government business. I did not know he was meticulous enough to finish and come back in good time. However, the point I was making was that, especially from our region; every time a case comes up, it will most likely be from Nyeri or Kirinyaga and remotely from Nyandarua Counties because most of us are settlers from the other counties. This campaign against GBV must cut across for men and women.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank you.

I thank you Sen. Methu. We can have Sen. Sifuna to give his Statement.

Thank you for your indulgence, Madam Temporary Speaker. I had two Statements. The first one was on water shortage in Nairobi City County.

Thank you, Senator. Next Order.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order 53

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Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I am holding brief for the Senator for Kirinyaga. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources regarding the supply of clean piped water for domestic use by residents of settlement villages in Mwea Constituency, Kirinyaga County.

In the Statement, the Committee should -

A clean water for domestic use, particularly the residents of Nguka, Ndorome, Kiuria, Ciagini, and Mathangauta villages who currently draw, water from irrigation canals which expose them to diseases.

whether it will be implemented within the FY 2023/2024.

I thank you.

(Bill deferred)

In line with directions that were earlier on issued by the Chair and based on the decision and resolution of the Senate Business Committee (SBC) , The Tea (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bill No.1 of 2023) will go back to be queued for Second Reading. We will take it out of the Order Paper for today. Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of order?

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise Pursuant to Standing Order No.41 on the quorum during proceedings of the Senate. So that the business on the Order Paper does not suffer the consequences that were discussed at the Senate Business Committee (SBC) , I would like to notify the Chair that we do not have quorum to continue with this particular Sitting.

I confirm that there is no quorum.

Serjeant-at-Arms, could you ring the bell for 10 minutes.

Debate is now open on this Bill. There being no one wishing to contribute on this Bill, I will defer the putting of the question to give the Mover time to respond.

Next Order.

Second Reading

I will defer this Bill. It will be listed on the Order Paper when the Senate resumes tomorrow in the afternoon at 2.30

(Bill deferred)

In line with directions that were earlier on issued by the Chair and based on the decision and resolution of the Senate Business Committee (SBC) , The Tea (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bill No.1 of 2023) will go back to be queued for Second Reading. We will take it out of the Order Paper for today. Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of order?

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise Pursuant to Standing Order No.41 on the quorum during proceedings of the Senate. So that the business on the Order Paper does not suffer the consequences that were discussed at the Senate Business Committee (SBC) , I would like to notify the Chair that we do not have quorum to continue with this particular Sitting.

I confirm that there is no quorum.

Serjeant-at-Arms, could you ring the bell for 10 minutes.