Tuesday, 1st April, 2025

Clerk, do we have quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly, ring the quorum bell for 10 minutes.

Hon. Senators, I am informed that we do have quorum now. Clerk, you may proceed to call the first Order.

Order, Senator for Kakamega County.

Hon. Senators, I take this opportunity to welcome you back from the recess. I hope that you had time to meet with your constituents, friends and families over the past week. I also hope that you took some time to rest and rejuvenate your spirits for the resumption of the regular sittings.

Part II of the Senate Calendar commences today and will run until the rise of the Senate on Thursday, 17th April, 2025. As I indicated in today's Order Paper and the programme of business, the legislative agenda before the Senate is heavy.

Services, Senate.

To dispense with the business in a timely manner, it requires sacrifices to be made on the part of hon. Senators, including coming into the Plenary early, sitting through, and in some instances late, for progress to be made on the business scheduled.

Above all, it is imperative that the Movers of the business listed in the Order Paper are in the Chamber to prosecute the same.

On my part, I will, in consultation with the Senate leadership, implement measures aimed at expediting the processing of business in the Senate. These measures will include reinforcement of time limits on questions and statements as well as the allocation of time for Motions and Bills in accordance with the Standing Orders.

Furthermore, the Majority and Minority Party Whips are urged to ensure that the requisite number of delegations is achieved whenever there are divisions to be undertaken.

Hon. Senators, as I conclude, I wish to reiterate that my office remains open and accessible to all Senators for consultations and support in fulfilling your duties. I wish you fruitful deliberations in Part II of the Fourth Session.

I thank you. Let us proceed to the next Order. The Senate Majority Leader, please, proceed.

The Chairperson of the Senate Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, please, proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, 1st April, 2025.

Report of Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare in consideration of National Assembly amendments to the Persons with Disabilities Bill 2023 (Senate Bill No. 7 of 2023)

Services, Senate.

Next Order, Clerk. Let us proceed to Statements pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) . Hon. Sen. Alexander Mundigi, please, proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) to ask for a statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources regarding the relocation of Embu Sewerage Treatment Plant (ESTP) by Embu Water and Sanitation Company (EWASCO) .

In the Statement, the committee should address the following-

Sen. Mohammed Chute, please proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and

Services, Senate. Housing regarding the progress of the affordable housing and related infrastructure development.

In the Statement, the Committee should address the following-

construction costs, the amount already paid to contractors, any pending payments and the selling cost of the housing units per square metre highlighting variations based on location and unit type;

plays in overseeing affordable housing projects, particularly in ensuring compliance and maintaining quality standards;

currently constructing, the number handed over, the outstanding payment due to National Housing Corporation, and disclose any loans secured by the National Housing Corporation from commercial banks, including their interest rates and the payment terms;

of monies to the various housing projects, the number of fully paid-for houses handed over to beneficiaries, the number of land titles issued under the affordable housing programme, the total land size in acreage that was transferred, and the distribution of title deeds between individual developers and the joint ownerships; and,

and if so, what are the applicable interest rates and investment durations.

Services, Senate.

progress on development projects and any challenges affecting implementation and recommend strategies to ensure that documented achievement aligns with actual outcomes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Veronica Maina.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of Sen. Veronica Maina, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Education regarding the financial crisis at the Technical University of Kenya (TUK) and plans to lay off staff and alter employment contracts.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the planned staff reductions and restructuring raise serious concerns about the quality of education, staff welfare and the long-term sustainability of the institution.

In the Statement, the Committee should address the following-

Order, hon. Senators. May Sen. Miraj be heard in silence, please?

Additionally, query the financial rationale behind these changes and their projected cost savings.

Services, Senate.

reliance on Government funding and avoid future financial crises.

(The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker)

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move-/

Services, Senate. THAT Clause 5 of the Bill be amended—

Clauses 6, 7 and 8

Services, Senate.

First Schedule

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting the First Schedule and substituting therefor the following new Schedule—

FIRST SCHEDULE (s. 5(1)

Services, Senate. Conditional Additional Allocations to County Governments from National Government’s Share of Revenue in FY 2024/25 (Kenya Shillings)

FY 2023/24

Services, Senate. Conditional Additional Allocations to County Governments from National Government’s Share of Revenue in FY 2024/25 (Kenya Shillings)

FY 2023/24

Services, Senate.

This amendment to the Schedule is to delete allocation on transfer of museums function and increase the allocation on archives from Kshs2 billion to Kshs2.9 billion.

(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma): Division will be at the end. Second Schedule

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting the Second Schedule. Noting that the High Court in Issa, Elanyi Chemau Versus National Assembly Case No. HCPE423/2024 issued a conservatory order freezing funds held by the Kenya Roads Board collected as roads maintenance levy fund for FY 2024/2025 amounting to Kshs10.522 billion which was proposed to be allocated in the county government. The allocation may not be utilized due to High Court conservatory order freezing the proposed allocation to the counties in RLFM.

The Temporary Chairperson

(Sen. Mumma)

: Division will be at the end.

The Third Schedule

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma) : Division at the end. Fourth Schedule

Division will be at the end. Second Schedule

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting the Second Schedule. Noting that the High Court in Issa, Elanyi Chemau Versus National Assembly Case No. HCPE423/2024 issued a conservatory order freezing funds held by the Kenya Roads Board collected as roads maintenance levy fund for FY 2024/2025 amounting to Kshs10.522 billion which was proposed to be allocated in the county government. The allocation may not be utilized due to High Court conservatory order freezing the proposed allocation to the counties in RLFM. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services, Senate.

Division will be at the end. The Third Schedule (Question, that the Third Schedule be part of the Bill, proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Division at the end. Fourth Schedule

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting the Fourth Schedule and substituting therefor the following new Schedule-

A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services, Senate. Conditional Additional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2024/25 (Kenya Shillings)

A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services, Senate. Conditional Additional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2024/25 (Kenya Shillings)

A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services, Senate. Conditional Additional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2024/25 (Kenya Shillings)

A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services, Senate. Conditional Additional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2024/25 (Kenya Shillings)

A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services, Senate. Conditional Additional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2024/25 (Kenya Shillings)

Services, Senate.

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma): Hon. Senators, I will now announce the results.

Division will be at the end. Clause 2, the Title and Clause 1(Question, that Clause 2, the Title and Clause 1 be part of the Bill, proposed) Division will be at the end. Can the Division Bell be rung for five minutes so that we go into Division?

Services, Senate.AYES: Sen. Abass, Wajir County; Sen. Ali Roba, Mandela County; Sen. Chesang, Trans Nzoia County; Sen. Cheruiyot, Kericho County; Sen. Dullo, Isiolo County; Sen. Faki, Mombasa County; Sen. Githuku, Lamu County; Sen. Joe Nyutu, Murang’a County; Sen. Ogolla, Homa Bay County; Sen. Muthama, Machakos County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Kakamega County; Sen. Korir, Bomet County; Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, Samburu County; Sen. Lomenen, Turkana County; Sen. Madzayo, Kilifi County; Sen. Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. (Dr.) Murango, Kirinyaga County; Sen. Mungatana, MGH, Tana River County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita Taveta County; Sen. Omogeni, Nyamira County; Sen. Omtatah, Busia County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen. Seki, Kajiado; Sen. Sifuna, Nairobi City County, Sen. Thang’wa, Kiambu County and Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda SC, Kisumu County.The Temporary Chairperson (

Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows:

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report.

I request Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to second.

Madam Temporary Speaker, very happily, I rise to second. I want it to remain clear that the reason we are struggling this much, this late in the financial year, is because Members of the National Assembly agreed on controlling more and more millions of shillings. That is the reason we were forced to remove the Kshs10.5 billion for the Road Maintenance Levy (RML) so that life can go on.

Hon. Members of the National Assembly, please, style up. Even if you control the entire budget of Kenya, some of you will win and many of you will lose.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Senators, I will now announce the results.

Hon. Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the Senate the consideration of the County Government Additional Allocations Bill (Senate Bills No. 1 of 2025) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Serjeant-at-Arms, can you ring the Bell for two minutes, please?

Serjeant-at-Arms, you may stop ringing the Bell. Please, close the doors and draw the bars.

Hon. Senators, we are now taking Division on the County Government Additional Allocations Bill (Senate Bill No.1 of 2025) . Hon. Senators, just give them a few seconds to sort the system.

Hon. Senators, you may now vote.

Hon. Senators, because of the system error, I would like to ask you to vote again. Please, display the question properly.

I wish to direct that we vote by roll call. Could we have the Tellers for the ‘Ayes’ and ‘Noes’? Majority and Minority sides, please provide Tellers for the ‘Ayes’ and ‘Noes.’ We have Sen. Mundigi and Sen. Shakila. Thank you.

Clerk, please, call out the names.

Senate Majority Leader, please report.

Teller of the Ayes:

Sen. Shakila Abdalla

The results of the division are as follows -

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the County Governments Additional Allocation Bill (Senate Bill No.1 of 2025) be now read a Third Time.

I request Sen. Edwine Sifuna to second.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I second.

Services, Senate.

Serjeant-at-Arms, can you ring the Bell for two minutes, please?

Serjeant-at-Arms, you may stop ringing the Bell. Please, close the doors and draw the bars.

Hon. Senators, we are now taking Division on the County Government Additional Allocations Bill (Senate Bill No.1 of 2025) . Hon. Senators, just give them a few seconds to sort the system.

Hon. Senators, you may now vote.

Hon. Senators, because of the system error, I would like to ask you to vote again. Please, display the question properly.

I wish to direct that we vote by roll call. Could we have the Tellers for the ‘Ayes’ and ‘Noes’? Majority and Minority sides, please provide Tellers for the ‘Ayes’ and ‘Noes.’ We have Sen. Mundigi and Sen. Shakila. Thank you.

Clerk, please, call out the names.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to make two Statements. My first Statement is on the operations and impact of the Kisumu Fish Market Complex.

Teller of the Ayes:

Sen. Shakila Abdalla

The results of the division are as follows -

Services, Senate.

Services, Senate.

Madam Temporary Speaker, on my behalf and on behalf of the other Senators, I take this opportunity to extend a warm welcome to the visitors from ESAMI who are visiting the Senate.

I hope that their interaction will enrich the work that they do. The Senate appreciates visitors and we warmly welcome them.

Thank you. Madam Temporary Speaker, I wanted to make a comment on the system because it is a matter that touches on our welfare.

Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Services, Senate.

Thank you. Madam Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53---

Order, Sen. Omogeni.

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. I was reading. What is on my Statement reads, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations regarding the leadership and operational crisis currently affecting the County Assembly of Nyamira.

The County Assembly of Nyamira is split into two rival groups, each conducting parallel sittings in different venues. One is at the main County Assembly Building and the other one conducts its sitting in other several towns within the county.

Those split rival groups are led by separate individuals, each claiming to be a legitimate Speaker and clerk of the County Assembly. This state of affairs has caused confusion, has undermined the legislative integrity of the County Assembly, and will potentially jeopardize public confidence in the institution, devolution, and the oversight role of the Senate.

In this Statement, I would wish the Committee to inquire and address the following-

Sen. Omogeni, please, sit down. I will allow a few minutes for Members to comment on the Statements that have been made.

Sen. Abass, please proceed.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker.

That is what I want you to read. We will give opportunity for the other statements later.

Three minutes per person.

Thank you. Madam Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53---

Order, Sen. Omogeni.

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. I was reading. What is on my Statement reads, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations regarding the leadership and operational crisis currently affecting the County Assembly of Nyamira.

The County Assembly of Nyamira is split into two rival groups, each conducting parallel sittings in different venues. One is at the main County Assembly Building and the other one conducts its sitting in other several towns within the county.

Those split rival groups are led by separate individuals, each claiming to be a legitimate Speaker and clerk of the County Assembly. This state of affairs has caused confusion, has undermined the legislative integrity of the County Assembly, and will potentially jeopardize public confidence in the institution, devolution, and the oversight role of the Senate.

In this Statement, I would wish the Committee to inquire and address the following-

Sen. Omogeni, please, sit down. I will allow a few minutes for Members to comment on the Statements that have been made.

Sen. Abass, please proceed.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Services, Senate.

Hon. Members, we will give 30 minutes for comments.

An. Hon. Senator: How many minutes per person?

Three minutes per person.

Order, Sen. Omogeni. Sen. Abbas has the Floor.

Services, Senate. Assembly. The Senior Counsel, who is the Senator of Nyamira County, should have informed us. Perhaps he assumed that there is judicial notice of what is happening.

Anything that has been passed, and the Senior counsel knows, is illegal. Any budget approvals that the Governor has passed in Nyamira County Assembly are illegal. Therefore, the dysfunctionality of Nyamira County Assembly is not by default, but by design, by the County Executive.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the Members of County Assembly (MCAs) should know that the more they perpetuate the dysfunctionality of the County Assembly of Nyamira, they are undermining and killing devolution in the county. Therefore, the Senate Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations must come out strongly and address this issue.

I know MCAs have a challenge with the issues of salaries and welfare and the Ward Development Fund. However, we have given them financial autonomy as the MCAs. They, therefore should assist us by protecting devolution.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I hope today you will direct, under Standing Order No.1, that by Tuesday next week, the Senate Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, under Standing Order No.56, must report the progress of what is happening in the County of Nyamira.

I support.

Sen. Faki, please proceed.

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa fursa hii kuchangia Maombi ya Kauli kutoka kwa Sen. Omogeni.

Mhe. Spika wa Muda, ni masikitiko kuwa Kaunti ya Nyamira inaongoza kwa safari ya kuregesha ugatuzi nyuma. Haiwezekani kuwepo kwa mabunge mawili ya Kaunti ya Nyamira.

Kama alivyozungumza Sen. Cherarkey, Kamati ya Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations itabidi iwaite mahasimu wote pamoja na Gavana wa Kaunti hiyo wiki hii ili watoe mwongozo kuhusu suala hili. Ni aibu kwamba Kaunti ya Nyamira imeshindwa kutatua masuala kama haya madogo. Nakumbuka mwaka wa 2018 tulikuwa na shida katika Kaunti ya Mombasa.

Kulikuwa na watu wanaandamana kila siku kulitisha Bunge la Kaunti ya Mombasa wakisema fagia Bunge! Fagia Bunge! Tulipouliza hapa, baada ya wiki moja, gavana, na spika waliletwa hapa na matatizo haya yakamalizwa siku moja. Kwa hivyo sio masuala ya kungojea.

Haya ni masuala Kamati husika inafaa kuyavalia njuga na wahakikishe ya kwamba kufikia Jumanne wiki ijayo tumepata mwafaka kuhusiana na suala hilo. Haiwezekani kaunti kupoteza wakati kwa kuwa na Mabunge mawili, Maspika wawili, Makarani wawili, Bunge moja likikaa msituni na lingine lakaa mjini. Ni aibu.

Kwa hivyo, naomba Kamati hii husika ifuatilie suala hili kwa haraka ili tupate mwelekeo kuhusu ni nani anayestahili kuendesha mambo ya Bunge la Kaunti ya Nyamira kwa watu wa Nyamira.

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa fursa hii.

There is one Senator in Nyamira County.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. It is only this afternoon that we have approved an additional Kshs410,284,520 to Nyamira County. We have passed it this afternoon. This is how serious this House is. Where is this money going? It is going to the office of the governor, and in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution, he can only spend it after appropriation by the Assembly.

The governor must tell us, because that is where the buck stops, which County Assembly will be responsible for allowing him to spend this money. The Controller of the Budget (CoB) is responsible for overseeing the implementation of budgets by county governors. She should also appear before the Committee and tell us that the budget she has been implementing has been passed by which county. It is this level of impunity that is the reason governors assumed the title of His Excellency.

I remember in 2014, I moved a draft Bill in this House saying that this position of His Excellency will make governors drunk with power. You can see the evidence. I said in that draft Bill that they will be so drunk with power that that drunkenness will also, by osmosis, affect their wives. As if I were wrong, the governors today call their wives---

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

What is your point of order, Sen. Mandago?

Services, Senate. Assembly. The Senior Counsel, who is the Senator of Nyamira County, should have informed us. Perhaps he assumed that there is judicial notice of what is happening.

Anything that has been passed, and the Senior counsel knows, is illegal. Any budget approvals that the Governor has passed in Nyamira County Assembly are illegal. Therefore, the dysfunctionality of Nyamira County Assembly is not by default, but by design, by the County Executive.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the Members of County Assembly (MCAs) should know that the more they perpetuate the dysfunctionality of the County Assembly of Nyamira, they are undermining and killing devolution in the county. Therefore, the Senate Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations must come out strongly and address this issue.

I know MCAs have a challenge with the issues of salaries and welfare and the Ward Development Fund. However, we have given them financial autonomy as the MCAs. They, therefore should assist us by protecting devolution.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I hope today you will direct, under Standing Order No.1, that by Tuesday next week, the Senate Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, under Standing Order No.56, must report the progress of what is happening in the County of Nyamira.

I support.

Sen. Faki, please proceed.

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa fursa hii kuchangia Maombi ya Kauli kutoka kwa Sen. Omogeni.

Mhe. Spika wa Muda, ni masikitiko kuwa Kaunti ya Nyamira inaongoza kwa safari ya kuregesha ugatuzi nyuma. Haiwezekani kuwepo kwa mabunge mawili ya Kaunti ya Nyamira.

Kama alivyozungumza Sen. Cherarkey, Kamati ya Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations itabidi iwaite mahasimu wote pamoja na Gavana wa Kaunti hiyo wiki hii ili watoe mwongozo kuhusu suala hili. Ni aibu kwamba Kaunti ya Nyamira imeshindwa kutatua masuala kama haya madogo. Nakumbuka mwaka wa 2018 tulikuwa na shida katika Kaunti ya Mombasa.

Kulikuwa na watu wanaandamana kila siku kulitisha Bunge la Kaunti ya Mombasa wakisema fagia Bunge! Fagia Bunge! Tulipouliza hapa, baada ya wiki moja, gavana, na spika waliletwa hapa na matatizo haya yakamalizwa siku moja. Kwa hivyo sio masuala ya kungojea.

Haya ni masuala Kamati husika inafaa kuyavalia njuga na wahakikishe ya kwamba kufikia Jumanne wiki ijayo tumepata mwafaka kuhusiana na suala hilo. Haiwezekani kaunti kupoteza wakati kwa kuwa na Mabunge mawili, Maspika wawili, Makarani wawili, Bunge moja likikaa msituni na lingine lakaa mjini. Ni aibu.

Kwa hivyo, naomba Kamati hii husika ifuatilie suala hili kwa haraka ili tupate mwelekeo kuhusu ni nani anayestahili kuendesha mambo ya Bunge la Kaunti ya Nyamira kwa watu wa Nyamira.

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa fursa hii.

Thank you. You have saved him. I was going to crush him. He is a very lucky man this afternoon. I was saying something very serious that this drunkenness with power, as I feared in 2014 in my draft Bill, has become so infectious that today, they call their wives first lady. They even have first daughters, first sons, first mothers, and first concubines.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the sad ending of this “first” something is that they are first something with a budget. You know, as the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights (JLAHR) , you sat on my Petition

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. It is only this afternoon that we have approved an additional Kshs410,284,520 to Nyamira County. We have passed it this afternoon. This is how serious this House is. Where is this money going? It is going to the office of the governor, and in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution, he can only spend it after appropriation by the Assembly.

The governor must tell us, because that is where the buck stops, which County Assembly will be responsible for allowing him to spend this money. The Controller of the Budget (CoB) is responsible for overseeing the implementation of budgets by county governors. She should also appear before the Committee and tell us that the budget she has been implementing has been passed by which county. It is this level of impunity that is the reason governors assumed the title of His Excellency.

I remember in 2014, I moved a draft Bill in this House saying that this position of His Excellency will make governors drunk with power. You can see the evidence. I said in that draft Bill that they will be so drunk with power that that drunkenness will also, by osmosis, affect their wives. As if I were wrong, the governors today call their wives---

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

What is your point of order, Sen. Mandago?

There is no way Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale can go with that Statement while I sit here. Understanding Order No.105, can he provide evidence that, as a governor who served 10 years, I was drunk with power? There is enough evidence that I was not drunk with power; that is why I am in this House. So, he cannot say governors. Can you name the specific governors who are drunk with power, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

On a point of information, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Madam Temporary Speaker---

Sen. Mandago, first, you have not been mentioned by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. So I think your point of order is misguided.

Proceed, Sen. Khalwale. You do not have to respond.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the Senator of Uasin Gishu should just declare his interest in this matter as far as my comment is concerned. He is not an ignorant man.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I already declared the point of order irrelevant. So, proceed with your point.

Thank you. You have saved him. I was going to crush him. He is a very lucky man this afternoon. I was saying something very serious that this drunkenness with power, as I feared in 2014 in my draft Bill, has become so infectious that today, they call their wives first lady. They even have first daughters, first sons, first mothers, and first concubines.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the sad ending of this “first” something is that they are first something with a budget. You know, as the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights (JLAHR) , you sat on my Petition

Services, Senate. when I was insisting that the Governor of Kakamega, Fernandes Barasa, should not be allowed to have a budget for his wife.

Due to bureaucracy in legislation and the way business is transacted, the first so- called lady of Kakamega is still enjoying a budget. Theft! Theft of public funds! As if I were being prophetic, probably out of that budget of the office of the first lady, two weeks ago, the Governor of Kakamega bought a bulletproof Lexus worth Kshs54 million---

Give him 30 seconds to finish.

Services, Senate.

The private universities that are there, are very expensive and people cannot afford them. People are not also able to pay for those fees and the requirements that are there. Then you find certain regions lacking in terms of the degree qualifications, Masters and even PhD qualifications.

We would request that as the Committee investigates this, they look into the possibility of driving the point that resources need to be spread fairly across the counties.

The Cabinet Secretary must also look at the possibility of offering deliberate support for this particular university so that it does not collapse. They should look at the possibility of making sure that it survives the ongoing crisis so that the---

Sen. Madzayo, you may proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda. Ninataka kuchangia hii Kauli ambayo imeletwa na ndugu yangu, Sen. Omogeni.

Hili ni jambo ya kusikitisha sana. Katika Kaunti ya Nyamira, kuna watu ambao wamesoma; kuna watu ambao wanaelewa kunaendelea namna gani.

Kwa hivi sasa, tunaona aibu tupu ambayo huyu Gavana Amos Nyaribo ameleta ndani ya Kaunti ya Nyamira. Haiwezekani kuwe na County Assembly mbili ikiwa wewe ni gavana mmoja pale. Ni matusi kwa watu wa Kaunti ya Nyamira kufanyiwa namna hii.

Juzi, alituambia ya kwamba yeye hajui ni county assembly gani ambayo iko na mamlaka zaidi ya nyingine. Lakini ikifika wakati wa kutambua pale anafaa kupeleka pesa, anaanza kuangalia mahali pesa zinaweza kuenda. Haangalii ni county assembly gani ambayo inafaa kupata pesa kulingana na sheria.

Tokea mwanzo wa ugatuzi, haijafanyika hata siku moja katika Kenya hii kwamba katika kaunti moja, kuna county assemblies mbili. Je, wewe kama gavana, uko na akili kweli! Una akili kwamba unaweza kuruhusu county assemblies ziwe mbili nawe ni gavana mmoja unaketi mahali pale.

Ndiyo sababu, alipokuja hapa na akaulizwa maswali, ilipatikana ya kwamba yeye mwenyewe, katika taarifa ya masomo yake, kuna shida. Alileta makaratasi gushi, ndio akaruhusiwa kugombea kiti.

Hii tabia ya kuruhusu watu kuleta makaratasi gushi halafu wanaruhusiwa kugombea vyeo, hii ndiyo imetufanya sasa kuwa na magavana ambao wako na tabia kama hizi. Hawajui kazi yao kwa sababu hata kuenda shule ilikuwa shida.

Huu uchawi ambao unaendelea ndani ya Nyamira ukome. Huyu gavana anafaa aitwe, aje hapa; asiende kwa kamati. Aje hapa aonekane na Bunge Zima la Seneti ili tuweze kumhoji na kumwambia atuonyeshe vizuri hizo karatasi zake za kuonyesha kwamba alienda shule; atuonyeshe hapa na tuhakikishe kwamba ziko sawa. Ikiwa haziko sawa, zipelekwe katika kituo cha sheria ama kitengo ambacho kinaweza kuangalia vyeti hivyo.

Hatuwezi kuwa na mtu ambaye hawezi---

Mpatie dakika moja. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Tafadhali, nipe dakika mbili kwa sababu ninataka kumaliza.

Proceed.

Yes, I do not mind being informed, because this is a very important matter that I would wish to understand. Where do these two different factions sit, and why is it not possible to sit at the gazetted County Assembly of Nyamira?

You may proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

Yes, I want to inform my neighbour, the good Senator of Kericho, that the official premises of the County Assembly of Nyamira have not been broken into. They are functional. One faction of the Assembly sits there. Even last week, after the appearance before the County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) , they sat there.

What is happening is a situation where the governor chooses to deal with one faction outside the official premises of the County Assembly of Nyamira. However, in terms of the status of the building, the infrastructure, everything is intact and in place.

Thank you. Madam Temporary Speaker. I am now properly informed, because you know, the last time I saw, I think

Services, Senate. there was a serious fight at the County Assembly, and I thought perhaps, maybe the official residence--- Then, if that is the case, this is a very simple matter. Why should the county assembly, the one that is properly moved and sits in the premises not consider any business from that county government?

The reason why I say that perhaps it is the Controller of Budget who is letting us down, is because there are certain statutory obligations that must be met by the county assembly before requisitions in matters such as budget are sent.

It is proper for her to check which county assembly has approved some of these budgets that come from that particular county because at the heart of this dispute, resources are never far away from it. You can stop the taps until that matter is resolved.

Even that other county assembly, how is it resourced? If people are meeting, it would be interesting to know how the purported clerk of that other House can draw from the Exchequer and meet their bills unless the Controller of Budget is not supporting the proper county assembly.

Finally, is on this issue of the Housing Levy Fund that was raised by Sen. Chute. It will be important because we all contribute to this Fund and sometimes not very easily because these are deductions out of our salary.

Kenya has 47 counties. I know this Fund is used to build houses and markets. It would be important that that statement is tabled in this House so that we can all see how much has gone to every county and the justification for the expenditure.

We cannot portend a situation where certain counties have 20 markets and others have two or three only. It is important for equity. The Senate being the House that is charged with the responsibility of ensuring that there is an equal distribution of resources in this country; that is an interesting report that we are waiting.

I thank you.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I wanted to make a comment on the financial crisis at the Technical University of Kenya. In the Coast Province, we have very few public universities. The ones that are there, including the Technical University of Kenya in Mombasa, have served all the six counties of the coast, including people from my county in Tana River. They come all the way to Mombasa to get their education.

It is very sad to hear from this Statement that this technical university is reducing its staff and cutting down on its expenditures. It is showing signs of a total financial crisis, suggesting that this is one of the few universities in the coast region that may be on the brink of collapse.

As the Senate Committee on Education investigates this matter, it should also interrogate the Cabinet Secretary. Public universities have not been equally spread across the counties.

We have seen certain counties enjoying a lot of facilities. You will find several public universities in one particular county or two, but in certain regions like in the coast region, you will find very few public universities.

Services, Senate.

The private universities that are there, are very expensive and people cannot afford them. People are not also able to pay for those fees and the requirements that are there. Then you find certain regions lacking in terms of the degree qualifications, Masters and even PhD qualifications.

We would request that as the Committee investigates this, they look into the possibility of driving the point that resources need to be spread fairly across the counties.

The Cabinet Secretary must also look at the possibility of offering deliberate support for this particular university so that it does not collapse. They should look at the possibility of making sure that it survives the ongoing crisis so that the---

Sen. Madzayo, you may proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (

Senate Majority Leader.

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda. Ninataka kuchangia hii Kauli ambayo imeletwa na ndugu yangu, Sen. Omogeni. Hili ni jambo ya kusikitisha sana. Katika Kaunti ya Nyamira, kuna watu ambao wamesoma; kuna watu ambao wanaelewa kunaendelea namna gani. Kwa hivi sasa, tunaona aibu tupu ambayo huyu Gavana Amos Nyaribo ameleta ndani ya Kaunti ya Nyamira. Haiwezekani kuwe na County Assembly mbili ikiwa wewe ni gavana mmoja pale. Ni matusi kwa watu wa Kaunti ya Nyamira kufanyiwa namna hii. Juzi, alituambia ya kwamba yeye hajui ni county assembly gani ambayo iko na mamlaka zaidi ya nyingine. Lakini ikifika wakati wa kutambua pale anafaa kupeleka pesa, anaanza kuangalia mahali pesa zinaweza kuenda. Haangalii ni county assembly gani ambayo inafaa kupata pesa kulingana na sheria. Tokea mwanzo wa ugatuzi, haijafanyika hata siku moja katika Kenya hii kwamba katika kaunti moja, kuna county assemblies mbili. Je, wewe kama gavana, uko na akili kweli! Una akili kwamba unaweza kuruhusu county assemblies ziwe mbili nawe ni gavana mmoja unaketi mahali pale. Ndiyo sababu, alipokuja hapa na akaulizwa maswali, ilipatikana ya kwamba yeye mwenyewe, katika taarifa ya masomo yake, kuna shida. Alileta makaratasi gushi, ndio akaruhusiwa kugombea kiti. Hii tabia ya kuruhusu watu kuleta makaratasi gushi halafu wanaruhusiwa kugombea vyeo, hii ndiyo imetufanya sasa kuwa na magavana ambao wako na tabia kama hizi. Hawajui kazi yao kwa sababu hata kuenda shule ilikuwa shida. Huu uchawi ambao unaendelea ndani ya Nyamira ukome. Huyu gavana anafaa aitwe, aje hapa; asiende kwa kamati. Aje hapa aonekane na Bunge Zima la Seneti ili tuweze kumhoji na kumwambia atuonyeshe vizuri hizo karatasi zake za kuonyesha kwamba alienda shule; atuonyeshe hapa na tuhakikishe kwamba ziko sawa. Ikiwa haziko sawa, zipelekwe katika kituo cha sheria ama kitengo ambacho kinaweza kuangalia vyeti hivyo. Hatuwezi kuwa na mtu ambaye hawezi---

Mpatie dakika moja. The Senate Minority Leader (

Tafadhali, nipe dakika mbili kwa sababu ninataka kumaliza.

Proceed.

Senate Majority leader, first move the Bill to be read a Second Time.

I have, I did actually.

They do not seem to have gotten it. So, just move it.

Ninasema hivi; tafadhali gavana afanye heshima na watu wa Nyamira ili aweze kuleta mwelekeo vile county assembly itaendelea. Hatuwezi kukubali kuwa na Spika wawili, clerks wawili na hata kila mahali watu wawili wawili. Je, hao watu wanalipwa aje?Ninakubaliana na Kiongozi wa Walio Wengi, Sen. Cheruiyot, akisema kwamba makosa haya yanaletwa na mtu mmoja ambaye yuko na interest hapo, ambaye anapaswa kutuambia. Huyo mtu ambaye ni Controller of Budget, ikiwezekana, pia yeye tumuite aje katika Seneti ili tumhoji.Asante.

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. The situation in Nyamira is such a pathetic one that it beats logic, what name to give it.

It shows that the system in that county has collapsed. That is why one man is operating it the way he wants. He is technically managing the situation such that the Assembly has no powers. It is one person that has powers to operate the way he wants. Needless to say, it is a system or it is a county that is operating in an illegality because there is no way two assemblies can operate in one assembly. It is like two cooks cooking from one pot. You cannot expect to get ugali. It will not be good for human consumption.

This also signifies abuse of office. That governor has really abused that office and devolution because that is not what devolution is. That is not how it is supposed to operate and therefore he is really abusing devolution and abusing power. He should appear before all of us so that we scrutinise and push him to the wall to prove all of these questions that people are asking about his academia and also to hear from the Controller of Budget. That is probably the source of the powers that the governor is operating on.

Thank you.

Services, Senate. legislative system, including the Independent Electoral Boundaries Commission (IEBC) (Amendment) law, with a view to rectifying many of the issues that were brought to us by Kenyans. There is even the Constitution (Amendment) Bill.

This afternoon, we passed a Motion on the consideration of the two-thirds gender rule principle, which is one of the products. It is only that I am still struggling with how the Constitution (Amendment) Bill will fit into the architecture of a bicameral parliament given the fact that the National Assembly did their report, and the Senate Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights also did their own report. We need to make a decision on this as a House.

The point I am trying to make is that when we retreat as a House and try to move the country with us, we should never lose sight of the reason why we brought the country together at that time. I am reminded again, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, that after the invasion of Parliament in June last year, we passed a very detailed Motion before this House. I keep on reminding Chairpersons of Committees that that Motion was so detailed that it assigned various roles and responsibilities to our various committees.

The Finance and Budget Committee, for example, where Sen. Boni Khalwale serves, were supposed to do something about debt. I know there is a Public Finance Management (PFM) (Amendment) Act on the debt anchor situation. I shared my thoughts with you last week. While I may not necessarily disagree with the thought of how to move it, the process through how you achieve it and guide the country to avoid a default is something that you need to guide us.

There are so many other things that we requested of the various committees. The Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration was tasked with capturing representation in various institutions. There are institutions that are being mentioned. It is a shame that in this day and age, there are state departments that can conduct official meetings in certain local dialects.

There are quite a number of names that keep on popping up here and there and we receive that information, that a certain Cabinet Secretary, Permanent Secretary, Director or Chief Executive Officer (CEO) has constituted certain state organs within the armpit of what is under their jurisdiction. That calls to question whether they understand the provisions of Article 10 of our Constitution on national values.

That is work that we gave to our Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration. We are still awaiting their report and so many other things.

I hate to imagine that, for example, when we get to June in two months’ time, people will look back and replay the clips of all the things that all the 67 Senators spoke to that Motion. Do we just speak and walk away? We must in retrospect ask ourselves whether we lost a moment, and whether as a House, there is still the possibility of rectifying that moment.

Though people may say many things about Parliament and politicians, there is a level of trust that citizens have with this House that you do not find in many other Houses

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. The Senate should just be candid enough to call out the Governor of Nyamira County, so that he can stop his tactic of divide and rule of the County Assembly of Nyamira. We all know that the clerk of the county assembly is the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the legislative arm of a county government. What does this governor want? To see that the county assembly which performs the primary oversight role does not function, so that he gets away with a number of things?

I call this act that is happening in Nyamira County Assembly an act of criminality. Without going into the specifics, the Senate should just be candid enough, and as I said, call out the Governor of Nyamira County to put his house in order.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the clerk runs the funds of the county assembly. That is why as the Senate, we must first track the fact that the county assemblies should have autonomy in running their finances.

Secondly, I want to comment on the statement regarding the financial crisis at the Technical University of Kenya. We remember this institution that produced one of the best technical skills that run this country. Sometimes some of us even regret the fact that

Services, Senate. the institution was turned into a university. Maybe that is the reason that it has had a lot of management and financial problems.

The Ministry should pay keen attention on the Technical University of Kenya because up to now, this institution is leading in providing premier skills in technical skills that serve this country.

We have a number of polytechnics in our counties. A number of the lecturers that run these polytechnics and vocational training institutes in our counties were students who were churned out by the Technical University of Kenya.

I support this and thank you for granting me the opportunity.

Hon. Senators, we will defer Order No. 11 and pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) . I am reorganising the Order Paper so that we move on to Order No.19.

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa nafasi hii. Kwanza, naunga mkono yote ambayo ndugu yangu ambaye ni Kiongozi wa Wengi amesema kuhusu Mswada Huu. Hii ni sheria ambayo itatupa nafasi ya kufungua ukurusa mwingine ili watu wasaidike wakati kuna janga.

Madam Temporary Speaker, you know, I do not want to be accused that I have started a Senate of my own, like the Nyamira County people. So, I have to wait for you to grant me the Floor, before I can proceed.

I want to thank you for this opportunity. Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Statutory Instruments Amendment Bill (Senate Bills No. 10 of 2024) be now read a Second Time.

This is one of the so-called NADCO Bills that we got out of our negotiated process after the many events. I do not need to go back to the history of how we found ourselves and sat before the NADCO Panel.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, what is your point of order.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. I would also like to thank the leadership of this House. This is among the nine Bills following the NADCO Report. I would have expected that we should have dispensed off this Bill so that we allow Members to prosecute other Bills.

It is good to see you. The last time I saw you, we were condoling with the Dagoretti North MP, Hon. Beatrice Elachi. It is good that as MPs, we stand with each other especially when we have challenges.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the NADCO was a bi-partisan process. Members of the Committee that was formed by both Rt. Hon. Raila Odinga, former Prime Minister, and President William Ruto has borne fruits. One of the achievements we have made is that we now have the Broad-Based Government where we working together. One of the Bills as a result of that process is this.

I am waiting with excitement the Constitution of Kenya (Amendment) Bill. As a Member of the Speaker’s Panel, you need to clear something because I have seen you being introduced in two ways. Sometimes it is said that you come from Busia but at times, it is said that you come from Kisumu.

You need to make it clear for some of us, so that in future, we know where to place you. You are also a Member of the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. How Kenya is, even as these Bills of NADCO have been processed, we must broaden and widen the Executive.

The fact that in the current Constitution we only have the President and the Deputy President will not accommodate the divergent nature of Kenya. We have

Madam Temporary Speaker, I hate to interrupt the Leader of the Majority. Standing Order No. 105 of this House knows our leader of majority as somebody with very good command of English. He is actually educated, trained, examined and qualified in communication.

Could he explain what he means by the so-called NADCO Report or could he be quietly communicating something to the House, so that I can whip the House to help him achieve the desired result?

Senate Majority leader, first move the Bill to be read a Second Time.

Services, Senate. to challenge the implementation of the law and the regulations are not published. When we try and explain to people that the regulatory making authority has not brought us regulations, they imagine we are abdicating our duty.

I agree the punishment should be around Kshs2 million. The proposed fine of Kshs500,000 is chicken change. We must have at least Kshs2 million because we are punishing a Cabinet Secretary.

Let us assume the parents regulatory making authority should be the Ministry. If you are now punishing or fining only a Minister, Kshs500,000, you can imagine they will just laugh at you the way we were trying through Sen. Osotsi’s Bill, where we are saying when somebody who fails to appear before a Committee of Parliament, we just fine them Ksh500,000.

Madam Temporary Speaker, we find governors who are smiling all the way to the committees. I have been a veteran in the County Public Accounts Committee. When we fined the former Governor Charity Ngilu Ksh500,000 shillings, she just asked us, “where can I pay. Can I pay by M-Pesa or in cash?” We guided her that it must be deposited through the Clerk of the Senate. So, we must increase the fine so that we make it painful and punishable going into the future.

Use of technology, that is amendment of Section 18 and 19 is both to publish and revoke, because whenever you want to explain something with this digital era, we must go online. The website is important.

I know Sen. Osotsi has always had a problem with people who learn technology issues. Even in ICT, we have always had a challenge. When there is revocation by the concerned clerk, either of the Senate or National Assembly, they should publish on the website through the Kenya Gazette

I am the co-convener of Open Governance (OGP) in Parliament. One of our tenets of OGP is transparency and accountability. The only way Parliament will be accountable, colleague leaders, is by publishing what we do, so that it becomes easy to ensure accountability.

Madam Temporary Speaker, sorry, I had not seen Senator Methu. I thought he was with the President in the tour of ‘Mrima’. We must ensure that there is revocation and publishing of regulations.

I agree with Section 23, because, Madam Speaker, we want to prevent busybodies. Now, they say regulations might be considered through the standing orders of the Senate or National Assembly, and as per the Act. The parent Act of that regulations must be considered.

Just to take you back, Section 5A, of the Statutory Instruments Act of 2013, talks about explanatory memo. One of the conditions of explanatory memo before you bring before Parliament is that there must be adequate public participation.

Most of our Bills that we have passed on the Floor of the House--- I remember Sen. Mungatana was mentioning Omtatah, have been felled by the stroke of the pen by the judges of court because of only one simple thing; lack of public participation.

They do not seem to have gotten it. So, just move it.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Statutory Instruments Amendment Bill 2024 be now read a Second Time.

Madam Temporary Speaker, you know Senator Boni Khalwale requested that I clarify what I mean when I said that this is part of the products of the so-called NADCO process.

NADCO is National Dialogue Committee; a Motion that this House adopted and set up a committee of Sen. Khalwale and other Members from both sides the House. We sat at the Bomas of Kenya, somewhere in Gilgil and in different parts of the country and, eventually, it was signed. The Report was signed and we brought the Bills into this House.

In total, we had nine Bills. To the best of my recollection, I think this is a fourth Bill that I moved in this House. There are others that are before the National Assembly which are being concluded and they will soon be sending them this side.

I think there is one which we have completely done with; the IEBC (Amendment) Bill. That is why the IBC recruitment process is ongoing and the rest of the processes are here.

Allow me to detour just for a second before I speak to the Bill. There are many times that as Parliament, we do things at moments of crisis but then like the proverbial animal, I do not know what its English word is, but I know that in Swahili that animal is called ngiri.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the warthog actually. Thank you, Sen. Faki, for reminding me. Ngiri. Yes, we should not be very quick to forget. Many times, after that crisis is done, we revert back to our old ways.

Madam Temporary Speaker, remember the mood the country was in just before the formation of the National Dialogue Committee (NADCO) and how we were able to progress. I am grateful because there are many laws today being processed through the

Services, Senate. legislative system, including the Independent Electoral Boundaries Commission (IEBC) (Amendment) law, with a view to rectifying many of the issues that were brought to us by Kenyans. There is even the Constitution (Amendment) Bill.

This afternoon, we passed a Motion on the consideration of the two-thirds gender rule principle, which is one of the products. It is only that I am still struggling with how the Constitution (Amendment) Bill will fit into the architecture of a bicameral parliament given the fact that the National Assembly did their report, and the Senate Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights also did their own report. We need to make a decision on this as a House.

The point I am trying to make is that when we retreat as a House and try to move the country with us, we should never lose sight of the reason why we brought the country together at that time. I am reminded again, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, that after the invasion of Parliament in June last year, we passed a very detailed Motion before this House. I keep on reminding Chairpersons of Committees that that Motion was so detailed that it assigned various roles and responsibilities to our various committees.

The Finance and Budget Committee, for example, where Sen. Boni Khalwale serves, were supposed to do something about debt. I know there is a Public Finance Management (PFM) (Amendment) Act on the debt anchor situation. I shared my thoughts with you last week. While I may not necessarily disagree with the thought of how to move it, the process through how you achieve it and guide the country to avoid a default is something that you need to guide us.

There are so many other things that we requested of the various committees. The Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration was tasked with capturing representation in various institutions. There are institutions that are being mentioned. It is a shame that in this day and age, there are state departments that can conduct official meetings in certain local dialects.

There are quite a number of names that keep on popping up here and there and we receive that information, that a certain Cabinet Secretary, Permanent Secretary, Director or Chief Executive Officer (CEO) has constituted certain state organs within the armpit of what is under their jurisdiction. That calls to question whether they understand the provisions of Article 10 of our Constitution on national values.

That is work that we gave to our Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration. We are still awaiting their report and so many other things.

I hate to imagine that, for example, when we get to June in two months’ time, people will look back and replay the clips of all the things that all the 67 Senators spoke to that Motion. Do we just speak and walk away? We must in retrospect ask ourselves whether we lost a moment, and whether as a House, there is still the possibility of rectifying that moment.

Though people may say many things about Parliament and politicians, there is a level of trust that citizens have with this House that you do not find in many other Houses

Services, Senate. of Parliament. It is unfortunate if we continue with the trend of speaking at the spur of the moment and moving away immediately after.

I am glad that we are having a conversation about this Bill because the organ of it is how to give life to statutory instruments that have been produced by this House. The legislature is an equal arm in the theology of the existence of Government as prescribed by our Constitution. We have the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary.

Many times, I see decisions by the legislature being challenged so casually. I have said times without number in this House that perhaps it has come to a time where we must have a conversation, including with the Judiciary and the Judicial Service Commission (JSC). We need to agree on the threshold within which a judge hearing on a petition before them can overturn the decision of an entire House. This includes in the consideration of whatever issues that have been brought about them.

I do not imagine that it was the design of our constitutional architecture for a Bill to go through both Houses of Parliament, go through public participation, assented into law and then the following day, stakeholders who, for one reason or the other, may have certain misgivings about that Bill, move to a court of law, secure an injunction and that is the end of the story. I have seen that many times.

There are many Bills that I can quote off the top of mind, including Bills that are matters of public interest. I will cite an example of the Sugar Bill, which we tried to pass here last Session, but the House adjourned. We came back for the 13th Parliament and quickly moved the Bill, and within one and a half years, that Bill had gone through all the systems of Parliament.

As we speak, the most critical parts of that Act of Parliament cannot be implemented. Why? This is because an individual, a Kenyan, appeared before one judge, another Kenyan, and all the millions of farmers that depend on sugarcane farming cannot enjoy the proceeds of the work that has been done by the legislature.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I do not think that that was the design of our Constitution. There must be a threshold, especially on matters of public interest and things that affect the livelihood of millions of other Kenyans. This is because that is the force of law that Parliament has.

This Bill speaks to a very simple provision. Many times, we pass legislation in this House and do not affect the timelines within which certain regulations, for example, are supposed to have been gazette. That is why we are introducing New Clause 24A into the Statutory Instruments Act. This is to make sure that, one, a regulatory-making authority shall make statutory instruments within the period provided for under the enabling legislation.

Many times, we pass Bills here, and maybe Members do not take time to read to the final part of the Bill. In the transition clauses, we normally provide the period upon which certain regulations are supposed to be formulated and approved. Most of those timelines are violated and ignored because there is no sanction. People imagine that Parliament said within 90 days of the passage of this Bill, the Cabinet Secretary is

Services, Senate. supposed to gazette these regulations, but we leave it hanging. Therefore, people do not care. They say, what will happen, anyway?

If, indeed, you took them before a court of law, there would be no sanctions against them, because the law is silent on that issue. The best the judge can do is to ask that person to be prudent. In fact, reading this Bill, much as it was a negotiated document, I am not satisfied with the sanctions that are now being imposed on public officers who do not follow the prescription of the time period within which you are supposed to gazette these regulations.

There is a proposal for a Kshs500,000 fine. I think that is a slap on the wrist of somebody who is ignoring the gathering of the people of Kenya. The unfortunate bit is that people look at Parliament as a gathering of 410 individuals. What they do not appreciate is that extracting from the provisions of our Constitution, Parliament is a gathering of all the 50 million of Kenyans through their elected representatives.

It is not possible for the entire country to agree on any simple question as a wholesome. Since we are a constitutional democracy, we have passed it in our laws and set the threshold within which once a particular threshold is passed, then it is considered to be the common position of every Kenyan that lives under the jurisdiction of the maps of our country.

In the Senate, for example, it is assumed that once 24 delegations have agreed on a particular Bill, that Bill or instrument before us is considered to have been passed by everybody, including those who for one reason or the other may not have voted in support of that particular Bill. That is how democracy works.

Our counterpart House passes their legislation through a simple majority, that once gathered as a House of Parliament, when a Motion or Bill is before them, once more than half of the people gathered in that particular House have passed whatever legislation, it is considered to be the binding law in the country.

It is my wish and hope that we can enforce and give strength to the Houses of Parliament. We are caricatured in the newspapers and people speak all manner of things against politicians as if we are aliens and not picked from the ordinary stock and pile of the average Kenyan. The people you find in this House, whether you like them or not, are the cumulative of the ordinary Kenyans.

Anything they see and they do not like from Members of Parliament (MPs) in this House, that is exactly what you will find in any gathering, as long as you put Kenyans together.

Therefore, the institution of Parliament needs to be respected. There are decisions that must take a certain level of caution before they are varied by any person including officers in the Executive. That is why we sanction those who do not pass regulations and even those whose sit on benches in the courts of law.

Secondly is to provide where enabling legislation does not provide timelines within which a statutory instrument is to be made. The regulatory making authority will be required to make the statutory instrument within 12 months from the date of commencement of the enabling legislation.

Services, Senate.

Madam Temporary Speaker, if for whatever reason it happens that we passed a legislation and it was not specified the time period within which those regulations are supposed to have been made, the end period within which an officer who is supposed to make those regulations--- The time that they have, including taking them through the Parliament, is 12 months. That is now provided for in law. As it was, I have explained previously that there was nothing provided.

Thirdly, if that regulatory making authority fails to make a statutory instrument within the specified time, any person may petition Parliament, and where possible, together with a draft of a statutory instrument for consideration. That is how bold we have become. We are telling the Executive that it is not a must that they do it.

If they do not bring regulations within the time period within which they are supposed to bring before the Houses of Parliament, any Kenyan interested in that particular sector can draft regulations and bring them to this House and we will pass them. Where there is unjustified delay by the Executive and there are Kenyans interested in that particular sector who feel that you are holding them back because of the regulations, we need to pass such regulations.

Fourthly, if a person without reasonable cause, fails to make statutory instruments within the specified timelines, they commit an offence. I had spoken about this. Despite the fact that Members of the National Dialogue Committee (NADCO) agreed on a fine of Kshs500,000, I wish to urge this House to suggest a more resounding fine that will make people think twice before ignoring sanctions by Parliament. The figure of Kshs500,000 is what is provided for.

Madam Temporary Speaker, lastly, a person is liable for an offence under sub section (4) shall be liable for a fine and public funds shall not be used to pay for such a fine. Many times, when we sanction public officers, they revert to public coffers to pay those fines.

Therefore, I beg to move and request the Senate Minority Leader, whom we have co-sponsored with this particular Bill, to second.

I thank you.

Proceed,

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa nafasi hii. Kwanza, naunga mkono yote ambayo ndugu yangu ambaye ni Kiongozi wa Wengi amesema kuhusu Mswada Huu. Hii ni sheria ambayo itatupa nafasi ya kufungua ukurusa mwingine ili watu wasaidike wakati kuna janga.

Services, Senate.

Huu ulikuwa mojawapo ya misemo iliyotumika katika NADCO. Watu walikuja pamoja na kupendekeza sheria hiyo. Tukiwa katika shida ama janga lolote la kisiasa, ni lazima watu wakae ili tupate suluhisho. Hii ni mojawapo ya sheria ambazo zilipendekezwa.

Naunga mkono Mswada huu kwa sababu unaweza kupeana uhai kwa jopo ili sheria ambayo inaweza kutumika wakati wa dharura itengenezwe. Majukumu kama hayo ni muhimu sana. Ikiwa watu wanaopatikana katika hali hiyo wanaweza kutafakari na kutoa majukumu kabla ya janga kutokea, hiyo itakuwa njia nzuri.

Sheria endelevu kama hii ambayo inapendekezwa inafaa kuwa. Ikiwa itaweza kutekelezwa, basi, kutakuwa na adhabu ikiwa mtu hatafanya hivyo. Mtu ataweza kupelekwa kortini au kuchukuliwa hatua na kutakiwa kulipa faini ya shilingi laki tano.

Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kumalizia, sheria hii ina umuhimu na vile vile ni nzuri kwa sababu itatusaidia wakati wowote. Kwa hivyo, naunga mkono sheria hii endelevu kwa sababu nilizotaja hapo awali.

Asante.

Hon. Senators, I will now propose the question.

Services, Senate. certain period. If it is not provided, you are supposed to do it within 12 months. If it is not done, any person who is affected by that law can come and table regulations. The power that used to be with Ministers or any regulations-making authorities is now taken away.

We are saying through this National Dialogue Committee (NADCO) Bill that Kenyans are saying that when their parliamentarians, Senators, National Assembly Members or county assembly members pass laws, they expect the County Executive Committee Members (CECMs) and the Cabinet Secretaries (CSs) to make those laws functional.

I fully support what this law is intended to achieve. Maybe I should take this opportunity to tell the regulations making authorities that when they are making these regulations, again, we do not give them absolute power. The power that the people of Kenya have given us is to make laws on their behalf. There are processes that go on here. We have to advertise, take the views of Kenyans and do a lot of processes before we have the law in place.

We have to go through a lot of processes before a legislation becomes a law. We have to debate, agree, disagree and negotiate until the general will of the people is expressed in a piece of legislation. So, when you are given that regulation-making authority, you are not supposed to exercise absolute powers.

I want to say here that ministers, both at the county level and at the national level, must know that the power to make regulations is not absolute power. They must know that the power is with the county assembly, the National Assembly and the Senate. That is where the Constitution has said the power to make law belongs.

So, when you make these laws, there are two fundamental things that you must do. When you appear before the Senate Committee on Delegated Legislation, which I belong to, we expect that in exercise of those powers, you have done public participation first.

You cannot bring or propose milk regulations, any crop regulation for example, miraa regulations, without public participation. There must be public participation. You must demonstrate to the committees that you did public participation. Do not run to just go and gazette these regulations that are affecting people and you have not done public participation.

For example, if you are making regulations on how Public Service Vehicles should operate and you have not sat with Matatu Owners Association; you have not sat with the conductor; you have not sat with the banks that are sponsoring these people; you have not sat in brief with even police officers, traffic officers, stakeholders; and you have not consulted them--- You have not done any public participation including passengers who regularly use those vehicles. So, then you sit in your office there and make a regulation that makes absolutely no sense.

If the regulations in the Social Health Authority (SHA), for example, and the regulations in all these new laws that have been a subject of much debate in this country, had gone through the proper processes, bring the hospital owners, the private owners, the public owners, patients and professionals. I mean not just doctors alone; there are nurses,

Services, Senate. clinical officers, and lab technicians. Bring them. There are insurance players; let people talk and agree on these regulations. You do not sit in your offices and publish regulations without doing public participation.

I am not just talking about at the national level, but even at the county level. For example, the County Executive Officers (CEO) in Tana River County, when they are passing regulations that are going to affect people in the market, even after the county assembly has passed the County Finance Bill; they must sit down with business people to agree on the charges. How much are we going to charge for mangoes? What about the fish? Why should Lamu County be charging so much less than Tana River County when we are just next to each other on the sea?

Then you sit in the office and you are only thinking about the money. You have not talked to the fishermen or the beach management units. You have not consulted with even the potential markets and then you drive all the business to the next county because you are not consulting. You sit in your offices and make regulations that do not make sense, regulations that end up killing business within the county.

It has become so expensive to transport produce out of the county into the market as opposed to neighbouring counties in Tana River County because the ministers do not sit down with stakeholders; they do not sit down with the farmers; they do not sit down with the markets; they do not sit down with the lorry transporters. Public participation has been ignored not just at the national level but even at the county level.

The County Executive Committee Members (CECMs) are assuming that because they have these powers they can do anything to the people because the law has been passed by the county assembly or it has been passed by the Senate and they want to make the regulations and then they make ridiculous regulations. Then they start playing cat and mouse games with delegated legislation committees of both Houses at the National Assembly and the Senate and even at the county levels. Sometimes, they try to manipulate, especially at the county level so that people are then robbed of the benefit of public participation.

So, as we discuss this Statutory Amendment Bill, it is good information to the Cabinet Secretaries who are listening to me and to CECMs who are sitting, maybe listening to me that you must do public participation before you carry out regulation- making decisions.

Secondly, there must be a regulation impact report. This regulation impact assessment report must accompany a report of public participation. This is why the Delegated Legislation Committees scrutinize whether you have misused those powers that were donated to you by the assembly or you have utilized those powers properly.

It is very logical if you say that from today, you are going to only allow 20 kilogrammes to be packed as maize bags as opposed to the normal 50 kilogrammes, you must know that the market is going to be affected by those regulations. You must know that the customers who are used to trading in a certain way and are used to these packages; they are they are going to be affected by those new regulations. You must surely know that the people who buy the people who sell, even those guys who carry

Services, Senate. these sacks on their backs will be affected and the prices will be affected in the way that the business is carried out.

So, Cabinet Secretaries and CECMs, please, make sure that you also get to know what is the impact of these regulations when you are putting them out there. When we pass the law and donate power to you, we expect that you will use those powers responsibly. You should not abuse those powers to make regulations that are ridiculous, that defeat business that make the people of Kenya suffer instead of assisting them to make these laws functional.

So, these requirements that if a regulations making authority does not work or does not bring those regulations within 12 months and they are not provided for within the main Act; that anybody can now come in and bring regulations any person who is affected by those regulations, I think it is a brilliant thing.

If it has been specified that as a Cabinet Secretary or a CECM, you are supposed to make these regulations within six months but you do not make them; then you are personally liable to a fine of Kshs500,000. It is going to wake up these people.

Executive authority is not supposed to be utilised at the wishes or at the compromise of the holder of that office. Executive authority is merely given as donated power to make regulations. It does not replace the law-making process, the legislative process that the Constitution has created.

So, in a short Statement, we have decided to take this power back so that we control it and we tell those Ministers and those regulation-making bodies to make sure that they abide by the requirements of timelines.

We do not want to be making laws here that go and hang outside there and nothing happens to you, and there is no consequence.

You are being paid by the people, you are given security, you are given mileage. You are not just signing things to make the system work. I think this is a brilliant amendment to the Statutory Instruments Act. I support it and I beg colleagues to support it too.

I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Services, Senate.

In the explanatory memo under Section 5A of the Statutory Instruments Act of 2013, one of the grounds is public participation. They must show how consultation was done to ensure we do not open it up for challenge.

We are not saying courts should not interpret the law, or question the process of Parliament. I remember in Speaker Mate’s case where a court said we cannot challenge a process, especially on impeachment, that we only challenge at the tail end.

We are not saying courts should not challenge, but we are worried when courts want to overreach their mandate to do legislation. That is why sometimes some of us ask what the role of court is. Are they keepers of particular individuals? Why is it that courts have dealt an injunction on Competency Based Curriculum (CBC) and the university funding model?

Services, Senate.

Nandi County has got Kshs486 million today, but when you go to the ground, you do not see anything. The only thing my Governor is doing is demolitions in Kapsabet Town. He is throwing women out. Sen. (Dr.) Oburu knows Kapsabet and he should know that the market he used to talk to me about has been demolished by the Governor. In fact, Sen. Orwoba should be raising her voice against women being thrown on the streets in Kapsabet and Namgoi towns. I want to hear the voice of Sen. Orwoba on this issue, because this is femicide.

How to you define a case where one destroys the place where women sell their wares in Kapsabet and Namgoi towns? How do you define a situation where one throws them on the streets to a point where they cannot feed their children? Is Governor Sang not committing femicide? Why throw women on the streets? Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a sad reality that we must fight.

I call upon the House leadership, under the guidance of President William Ruto and Raila Odinga, to look into how to deal with corruption in counties. Taifa Leo, on Sunday, reported of counties where money is lost through payroll and one of the counties that featured in that report was Nandi County. In Nandi County, you will find that the Governor has almost 300 workers. There are people who carry his seats, microphones, mobile toilets, carpet, Bible, pens and even those who carry his concubines.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we cannot work very hard to create demigods and gods in our counties. I want to challenge the Senate Minority Leader who is holding forte on behalf of NADCO issues. They should bring a Bill on corruption in counties. He cannot work hard over here to send money to the county just to go to some village in Magarini, Kilifi County, and find that poverty is walking around like a human being. We have water flowing less than one kilometer from Garissa Town, yet people cannot access clean and safe water. That cannot be. It cannot be that we have pools deeper than dimples in Nairobi City County.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support. Let us fast-track these NADCO Bills. We are solidly behind President William Ruto and Rt. Hon. Raila Odinga. We are moving into a broad- based Government and ensuring that we move this country forward.

With those many remarks, and with the smile of the Senate Minority Leader, I beg to support.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity to also make my contribution to this very important Bill, The Statutory Instruments (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.10 of 2024) .

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Bill is timely and long overdue. This is because it seeks to define in law that those who make regulations have up to 12 months to enact them when an Act of Parliament is passed. Statutory instruments are very important. They are the regulations which Ministries, the Executive or even Judiciary come up with to implement the provisions of the Act of Parliament that we pass.

We know that we cannot put everything in an Act of Parliament. That is why, as a standard, we always create room for making regulations. With those regulations, the respective Government ministries or departments can come up with specific regulations

Services, Senate. to manage various issues. In the past, we have seen problems. This is because we pass laws, but we do not see any regulations formulated or enacted to implement various provisions of that law several years down the line.

These statutory instruments have been misused in this country. This is because some of these statutory instruments have been formulated without following the law. We have seen some laws being developed, either in writing or in action, without the input of Parliament. That goes against Article 95(5) of the Constitution. That article states that no person or body, other than Parliament, has the power to make provision having the force of law in Kenya, except under authority conferred by the Constitution or legislation. We have seen ministries make regulations which are not provided for in law.

As we talk about putting a timeline under which these departments or ministries will be able to come up with the regulations, we also have to ask ourselves if there are regulations which are contravening the law. I will give you one example. All private parking areas charge parking fees without following any law. If you go to a supermarket and stay there for five minutes, they will charge you money. Where is this money going to? Where is the law that requires that private entities charge or tax people through parking fees? This is an issue that Parliament must look at.

There are many other things which are happening outside there, which are not documented in regulations and people are profiting from these things without following the law.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we also have to appreciate the need for having regulations. As stated, it is because we cannot have everything in an Act of Parliament. We have to create space for the implementers of the Act of Parliament to also implement those Acts of Parliament by coming up with the regulations.

However, we have to express our discomfort that many of the laws that we pass are not implemented because the regulations are not formulated and enacted. I know my colleagues here have talked about various pieces of legislation which are not supported by the regulations. For example, for a long time, before the Sugar Act, was repealed initially, we had a lot of issues in the sugar industry; issues that could be resolved through regulations. However, every time you ask why this issue has not been addressed, you are told that the Ministry of Agriculture has not come up with regulations. As a result, farmers have suffered for a long time.

We have other legislations that we have passed in this House which are not supported by the relevant regulations. For example, the Computer Misuse and Cybercrime Act, which we passed this law. I know some parts of it was opposed in court, but large sections of this law have not been implemented because there are no regulations. For example, on the issue of regulations around the matter of critical systems, we do not have regulations around it. Therefore, people continue to profit from crimes around cybercrime because there are no regulations to support it.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we still have so many aspects of the Data Protection Act which are not implemented because the regulations are not there. Even as we talk about regulations, let us also talk about how long these regulations can be in place.

I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. For giving me an opportunity to support the amendment that we have before us. It is a great amendment to the Statutory Instruments (Amendment) Bill, 2024. I support this because of certain challenges that we have had with implementing authorities.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, sometimes when we discuss with the executive in our committees, issues to do with lack of regulations often come up. It is through regulations that we have these Acts of Parliament become operational. I support this from the onset because this amendment spells out timelines within which these regulations must be prepared by the executive, either at the county or national government.

I also want to support due to the fact that we do not grow when things are easy. I remember this being a result of the National Dialogue Committee (NADCO) report. It did not come easy. I remember there were serious challenges in this country at that time. I am a member of the other side of the coalition that contributed a lot to the NADCO Report.

That because of the challenge we had then as Azimio Coalition, some of which we continue to have, the two sides of the divide got the courage to sit together and form teams. One team was led by the Hon. Kalonzo Musyoka that led our team and the other from the other side of the Kenya-Kwanza Coalition.

The two principals were able to come together. They had the courage to decide that they were going to make a stop to the squabbles that we had then and were able to bring different members from their teams to sit together that resulted into the NADCO

Services, Senate. Report that has given birth to one of the amendments that we are discussing today. This was very timely.

Dialogue is encouraged even in our families. When we have challenges in our everyday lives, we should encourage sitting down together to make decisions as worrying teams. If dialogues are given a chance, something always comes that everybody is able to celebrate. Today, we are here discussing a result of that dialogue.

It was good that the two teams came together. We continue to congratulate His Excellency the President and the former Prime Minister, Rt. Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga, for taking that courage. One of the quotes that I like to read by Ruth Gordon says that courage is like a muscle. That it is only strengthened by use. It is for that reason that we celebrate these two gentlemen that came up with the sitting that brought forward the NADCO Report.

We also celebrate the two thirds gender rule that was discussed and agreed on in the NADCO Report. We are calling on the two Houses to support it. Of course, we have discussed the two thirds gender rule in the Senate and a number of us supported it. However, political parties must do their part on it so that we can achieve the two thirds gender rule in this country.

Another thing that was discussed in the NADCO Report was the formation of the panel of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC). We have seen good prospects from that because a panel was set. In the last few days, we have seen interviews that have been carried by this panel. We saw the interviews that were conducted by this panel in getting the next Chairperson of the IEBC. We have also seen after the conclusion of the interviews of the Chairperson, we went ahead to see the interviews of the members of the Commission.

All we are asking for as Kenyans is that when we finally get the results of these interviews for the Chairperson and the members of the IEBC, we would like to see a membership of a commission that reflects the face of Kenyans. We would like to see inclusivity, gender composition and even a youth represented at the Commission. All these were products of the NADCO Report.

We also saw a concern on the cost of living in the NADCO Report. Of course, that still is a concern up to today. We would like to see a country where there is concern for the cost of living of its members.

I support this amendment before us because there are timelines that have been set. We also see a fine where a person who without a reasonable cause fails to make this instrument within the required timeline. The fine that has been mentioned here is only Kshs500,000. I suggest that this should be increased to at least Kshs2 million or more. This is because there are a number of Acts of Parliament lying in shelves without implementation. It means some of these implementers have no goodwill on these Acts.

Since I joined the Senate, I realised that the process of even getting an Act of Parliament from the start to the end is very costly and painful. When Parliament has gone to prepare an Act and it has gone to completion and even ascended to, there should be no reason it should lie in some shelf because an implementer of the Act of Parliament is not

Sen. Mungatana.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to also make my comments. First, I support this Bill.

In 2013, through the Statutory Instruments Act No.23 of 2013, Hon. Amina Abdalla, then Nominated Member of Parliament (MP) , brought this law before the House. Why was Parliament doing that? It was doing this because up to then, the

Services, Senate. Government of Kenya used to depend on the 1946 British Statutory Instruments Act, which used to be the standard for how we would implement our delegated legislation.

Kenyans listening to me, the law under the Constitution makes only Parliaments or the assemblies of the people, in this case the Senate and the National Assembly, and at the county level, the county assemblies, as the only bodies that are given power to make law. However, it is not possible to make a law on all the details. That is why we, as the Senate, the National Assembly and the county assemblies, delegate these responsibilities to Ministers, so that they can sit with their technical committees and say that they need certain regulations, so that they can make the law functional.

For example, we may pass a law here that says over speeding is an offence under the Traffic Act, but then it will need the relevant Cabinet Secretary to sit with the National Transport and Safety Authority (NTSA) to say between which areas it is safe to, say, 50 kilometres per hour as the speed limit, and between which areas it is safe to drive at the speed of 120 kilometres per hour. Those kinds of details are not available before the House or the houses making law. That is why we delegate this power to the regulation-making authorities like Cabinet Secretaries and other authorities.

However, we have had serious abuse of this delegated power. For the many legislations that we have passed here, we have said in the end that this law will come into effect when the Cabinet Secretary signs this and that, or when they bring the enabling regulations and these regulations are passed. Then, you find that a very serious piece of legislation is not made actionable because the Cabinet Secretary forgets about that law.

The Senate or the National Assembly has originated the law and then it has passed through the processes, and then it has gone to the last process where the President has assented and it has become law. Then a Cabinet Secretary who is in charge of that department sees that law, refuses to put those regulations and the law becomes non- functional.

Many people and colleagues here have raised this particular issue. When we were growing up under the old Constitution, there were fundamental rights and freedoms. In those fundamental rights, the Chief Justice (CJ) of the Republic of Kenya was required to write regulations on how to approach the High Court, so that you can enforce your fundamental rights. However, CJ after CJ refused to write any regulations. It is only after we got the new Constitution and under the CJ Willy Mutunga that regulations for the enforcement of fundamental rights were enacted.

So, you can see that the fundamental rights of many Kenyans were guaranteed under the old Constitution. However, you have a situation where your fundamental rights have been guaranteed, but you do not know how to approach the high court to enforce those rights. Why? The CJ then had not gazetted the regulations under the old Constitution. This is repeated with Ministers. However, the worst case scenario is that you will find that it is the same Ministers, who, when they do not want a law to function and the law has made it clear that there must be regulations from the Minister, then, they do not make it effective. What this amendment is doing to the Statutory Instruments Act is that we are taking back that power. We are saying you are supposed to do it within a

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Amendment Bill. I do not want to belabour points that have been said by my colleagues. I would like to point out that we have so many pieces of legislation that have been passed and signed into law, but they have not been implemented. One of them happens to be provision of sanitary towels.

When there was an amendment on the Basic Education Act, the Ministry of Education was tasked to provide sanitary towels to school girls. It took at least three years before that was implemented. Even after it was implemented for a couple of years, there were no guidelines. It was as if the person in office would decide whether to implement, say they are looking for a transitional committee, or whatever.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I just wanted to add my voice on this by saying that not only do we need to have a framework on the guidelines, timelines and who is to do what. As a Senate, it is imperative to consider having a special committee that will be in charge of ensuring that pieces of legislation that we pass in this House are implemented.

As I support this amendment, I would also like to say that having sat in the Committee on Delegated Legislation, there are so many statutory instruments that we can utilise in terms of ensuring that we institute changes in places where we have gaps in legislation. The problem is that we still do not have a way of following through. What we are trying to cure also applies to the Committee on Delegated Legislation.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I support, I would like to convince the Sponsor of this Bill to also consider proposing a Standing Order, where we can have an implementation committee for the Bills that we pass.

I thank you.

Services, Senate. clinical officers, and lab technicians. Bring them. There are insurance players; let people talk and agree on these regulations. You do not sit in your offices and publish regulations without doing public participation.

I am not just talking about at the national level, but even at the county level. For example, the County Executive Officers (CEO) in Tana River County, when they are passing regulations that are going to affect people in the market, even after the county assembly has passed the County Finance Bill; they must sit down with business people to agree on the charges. How much are we going to charge for mangoes? What about the fish? Why should Lamu County be charging so much less than Tana River County when we are just next to each other on the sea?

Then you sit in the office and you are only thinking about the money. You have not talked to the fishermen or the beach management units. You have not consulted with even the potential markets and then you drive all the business to the next county because you are not consulting. You sit in your offices and make regulations that do not make sense, regulations that end up killing business within the county.

It has become so expensive to transport produce out of the county into the market as opposed to neighbouring counties in Tana River County because the ministers do not sit down with stakeholders; they do not sit down with the farmers; they do not sit down with the markets; they do not sit down with the lorry transporters. Public participation has been ignored not just at the national level but even at the county level.

The County Executive Committee Members (CECMs) are assuming that because they have these powers they can do anything to the people because the law has been passed by the county assembly or it has been passed by the Senate and they want to make the regulations and then they make ridiculous regulations. Then they start playing cat and mouse games with delegated legislation committees of both Houses at the National Assembly and the Senate and even at the county levels. Sometimes, they try to manipulate, especially at the county level so that people are then robbed of the benefit of public participation.

So, as we discuss this Statutory Amendment Bill, it is good information to the Cabinet Secretaries who are listening to me and to CECMs who are sitting, maybe listening to me that you must do public participation before you carry out regulation- making decisions.

Secondly, there must be a regulation impact report. This regulation impact assessment report must accompany a report of public participation. This is why the Delegated Legislation Committees scrutinize whether you have misused those powers that were donated to you by the assembly or you have utilized those powers properly.

It is very logical if you say that from today, you are going to only allow 20 kilogrammes to be packed as maize bags as opposed to the normal 50 kilogrammes, you must know that the market is going to be affected by those regulations. You must know that the customers who are used to trading in a certain way and are used to these packages; they are they are going to be affected by those new regulations. You must surely know that the people who buy the people who sell, even those guys who carry

Mr. Speaker, Sir, kindly defer the Bill to the next sitting.

Sen. Faki.

Asante, Mhe. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii ili niweze kuchangia marekebisho ya Mswada wa Sheria Endelezi yaani, Statutory Instruments (Amendment) Bill, 2024. Sheria hii inapania kuadhibu wale ambao wamepewa jukumu la kutunga sheria hizi endelezi, iwapo watakosa kuzitunga sheria hizo kwa muda ule ambao umewekwa na sheria ama muda wa miezi 12 baada ya sheria hiyo kupitishwa na Bunge, na kuwekwa sahihi na Rais, ili kutumika katika nchi yetu. Kwa sasa, kuna sheria nyingi ambazo zilipitishwa na Bunge ambazo mpaka sasa hazijaweza kutumika kikamilifu, kwa sababu sheria endelezi ambazo zilipaswa kutungwa hazijatungwa.

Utungaji wa kanuni hizi endelezi, mara nyingi huwa zinachukua muda kwa sababu ni jambo ambalo lazima zipitie zile taratibu zote za kutunga sheria ambazo Bunge linapitia wakati zinatungwa. Kwa mfano, lazima zipelekwe katika uhusishaji wa umma au public participation wakati sheria hizi zinatengenezwa. Vile vile, lazima iangaliwe

Services, Senate. kwamba hazikiuki Katiba na hazikiuki ile sheria kuu ambayo imempa nafasi Waziri ama jopo linalotunga sheria hizo, kuweza kuhakikisha kwamba wametunga sheria hiyo na yale mambo ambayo yanatakikana kabla ya sheria hii kupitishwa, yote yamewekwa katika sheria. Kwa hivyo, lazima yapitiwe ndio sheria hizi ziweze kutumika.

Vile vile, sisi kama Bunge, tuna muda maalum ambao lazima tuutumie ili tuweze kupitisha sheria hiyo. Ikiwa hatukuweza kupitisha kwa muda ule, sheria ile inaweza kutumika bila kupitishwa na Bunge. Kwa hivyo, suala la kuwapa muda ama kutoa vigezo vikali ambavyo lazima Waziri afanye, na iwapo hatafanya, ataadhibiwa ni jambo ambalo linatilia nguvu uwezo wa Bunge hili kuweza kudhibiti ile fursa ambayo Waziri, ama jopo limepewa kutunga sheria ambayo ingeweza kutungwa na Bunge.

Jambo ambalo nimeona hapa, ya kwamba hii faini ambayo imetolewa ya Shilingi laki tano, ni kidogo sana kwa sababu, jukumu ambalo Waziri ama jopo lile limepewa ni kubwa. Kwa hivyo, lazima iambatane na ongezeko la faini hiyo. Kwa hivyo, lazima faini hiyo isiwe chini ya Shilingi millioni mbili.

Tukiangalia yale mambo ambayo yamezungumziwa katika sheria hii, mengine ni mazito sana. Ilitakikana kutungwe, kupelekwe kanuni bungeni ya kuweza kuendeleza sheria hizi. Iwapo haikuendelezwa kwa mfano, serikali imeweza kupoteza fedha ambazo zingechukua kutokana na sheria hii. Kwa hivyo, kupotea kwa nafasi hizo inafaa kuambatane na faini ya juu ambayo waziri ama yule mtu anayehusika ataweza kutozwa ili aweze kupeleka sheria katika Bunge.

Vile vile, kupeana nafasi kwa sababu sheria zinazoletwa Bungeni zinapitia mikononi mwa Waziri. Sheria ambazo zimetungwa na Bunge na wakatoa fursa kwa Waziri kutengeneza sheria endelezi ili kuendeleza Mswada wa sheria. Mara nyingi hawana hamu ya kupitisha sheria zile kwa sababu mara nyingi zitakwaza maswala fulani.

Kwa hivyo, nafasi inayotolewa hapa kwa yule ambaye ameweza kutunga sheria ile ama yule ambaye amedhamini sheria ile kuweza kuleta sheria endelezi, ni fursa nzuri kwa vile inawapa nafasi wale ambao wanaona kwamba interests zao ama mambo yao yakiendelezwa na sheria hii, ili yaweze kuendelezwa bila kupoteza wakati.

Mpaka sasa, swala la sheria endelezi zinazokwisha baada ya miaka kumi, halijaweza kuzingatiwa na mashirka mengi. Kwa mfano wiki iliyopita katika kamati ya Sheria Endelezi, maarufu, Committee on Delegated Legislation, tulikuwa tunjadili mapendekezo ambayo yameletwa na shirika la National Construction Authority (NCA) ambao walikuwa wanataka kubadilisha sheria ambazo kanuni endelezi ambazo zilikuwa zinatumika na kuleta mpya ijapokuwa zilikuwa zimekwisha mwaka wa 2023. Bado walikuwa wanataka kuzirekebisha zile ambazo zilikuwa zimeisha mwaka 2013.

Miaka kumi baadaye, swala lingine ni kuwa wakati tulipoingia katika Bunge hili, zililetwa karibu kanuni 1,743 ambazo zilikuwa zimekwisha muda wa kuhudumu wa miaka kumi. Tulikataa kuzipitisha kwa sababu, sheria zile zilikuwa zinahusu wizara tofauti. Lakini wakati notisi ilipotolewa na ofisi ya mkuu wa sheria ya kwamba aliweza kuziongezea muda. Ilikuwa ni kinyume na sheria kwa sababu kila sheria ilikuwa chini ya wizara fulani.

Services, Senate.

Kwa hivyo, ilikuwa ni wizara husika waweze kuleta marekebisho haya ili waongezewe muda ndiyo waweze kuongezea sheria hizo muda. Ukiangalia katika kaunti zetu, zile sheria za ujenzi wa nyumba, nyingi zao ni zile ambazo zilikuwa zinatumika wakati kulikuwa na manispaa na mabaraza za miji. Hawajaweza kutunga kanuni mpya za kuweza kusimamia mambo ya ujenzi. Ukiangalia, majumba mengi yamejengwa upya katika miji mikuu, hata affordable housing ama zinazojengwa na serikali, lazima zipitie zile sheria za nyumba za ujenzi katika kaunti zetu.

Ipo haja na ninafikiri, hili nitalizungumzia katika kamati yetu, kuangalia sheria zote za ujenzi katika kaunti zetu kama zimeweza kuambatana na sheria ambazo ziko. Je, zimeweza kuhudumu katika ule muhula wa miaka kumi ambao umewekwa na sheria ama la?

Mhe. Spika, naona sehemu nyingi katika kaunti ya Mombasa, majumba yanajengwa mapya lakini ukiangalia huduma za maji, ni zile za zamani. Ukiangalia umeme ni ule ambao ni wa zamani. Tukiangalia maswala ya maji machafu, hukuna miradi ambayo yamepangwa kufanywa ili kuchukua hizi nyumba mpya ambazo zinajengwa. Kwa hivyo, utapata kwamba nyumba nyingi zinamwaga maji machafu baharini ambako zinadhuru viumbe ambavyo viko kule. Nyumba nyingi, hazina nafasi nzuri ya kuweza kupata vijana ama watoto kucheza na sehemu nyingine za kujiburudisha. Kwa hivyo, sheria hii itasaidia pakubwa kudhibiti ile nguvu za Bunge katika kutengeneza sheria na kanuni za kuhudumu sheria hizi.

Asante sana Mhe, Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii.

Sen. Beatrice Akinyi Ogola.

(Bill deferred)

Sen. Kathuri Murungi is not present. So, that Order is deferred. Let us go to the next Order.

Services, Senate.

Second Reading

(Bill deferred)

Sen. Ledama Olekina is not present. Therefore, that Order is deferred. Let us go to the next Order. Second Reading

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am one of Members of the Committee on Delegated Legislation. This is my 13th year in that committee. One of the biggest challenges we have faced as a committee is that there are quite a number of Acts without regulations. It is impossible to implement an Act without regulations by a Cabinet Secretary in charge of a particular Ministry.

One of the biggest challenges right now are the digital health regulations. That is what has made it difficult for the Social Health Authority (SHA) and the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) to work. I am happy that they have now been placed before our committee. Probably, we are going to look at them this week with the new Cabinet Secretary, Hon. Duale, to make sure there is a way to implement the digital part of the operations of the Ministry of Health. That has been a big challenge. You can imagine what would happen if there are no health regulations.

Another challenge which comes with the Statutory Instruments Act is that many Ministries seem not to understand them. Many Ministries are not aware that regulations expire after 10 years. The reason is that most regulations have charges which are likely to be increased or reduced with time. Therefore, as Sen. Faki, the Senator for Mombasa, has said, quite a number of regulations have expired.

The Government tried to amend the Statutory Instruments Act in reverse to state that statutory regulations can stay forever but we fought that. I am happy that this particular amendment has been brought. All that Ministries need to do is to seek an extension of one year to look at the regulations. They do not need to be amended. They just need to republish and bring them before Parliament.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a good Bill. I agree with those who have said that the fine should be made tough. I will bring an amendment proposing to make the fine Kshs2 million. I believe I will work with Sen. Beatrice to make this tough so that Cabinet Secretaries are aware. That fine should come from the pocket of a relevant Cabinet Secretary.

Services, Senate.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support this. I thank you for giving me an opportunity to contribute.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Amendment Bill. I do not want to belabour points that have been said by my colleagues. I would like to point out that we have so many pieces of legislation that have been passed and signed into law, but they have not been implemented. One of them happens to be provision of sanitary towels.

When there was an amendment on the Basic Education Act, the Ministry of Education was tasked to provide sanitary towels to school girls. It took at least three years before that was implemented. Even after it was implemented for a couple of years, there were no guidelines. It was as if the person in office would decide whether to implement, say they are looking for a transitional committee, or whatever.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I just wanted to add my voice on this by saying that not only do we need to have a framework on the guidelines, timelines and who is to do what. As a Senate, it is imperative to consider having a special committee that will be in charge of ensuring that pieces of legislation that we pass in this House are implemented.

As I support this amendment, I would also like to say that having sat in the Committee on Delegated Legislation, there are so many statutory instruments that we can utilise in terms of ensuring that we institute changes in places where we have gaps in legislation. The problem is that we still do not have a way of following through. What we are trying to cure also applies to the Committee on Delegated Legislation.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I support, I would like to convince the Sponsor of this Bill to also consider proposing a Standing Order, where we can have an implementation committee for the Bills that we pass.

I thank you.

Sen. Karungo Thang’wa is not present. Therefore, that Order is deferred.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, kindly defer the Bill to the next sitting.

Services, Senate.

That Order is deferred.

(Bill deferred)

Let us have Sen. Mwaruma. If he is not here, that Order is deferred. Let us go to the next Order. Second Reading

(Bill deferred)

Let us have Sen. Lenku Ole Seki. Since he is not present, that Order is deferred. Let us go to the next Order. Second Reading

(Bill deferred)

Sen. Kathuri Murungi is not present. So, that Order is deferred. Let us go to the next Order.

Services, Senate.

Second Reading

(Bill deferred)

Sen. Ledama Olekina is not present. Therefore, that Order is deferred. Let us go to the next Order. Second Reading

(Bill deferred)

Sen. Edwin Sifuna is not present. Therefore, that Order is deferred. Let us go to the next Order. Second Reading

(Bill deferred)

Sen. Ali Ibrahim Roba is not present. Therefore, that Order is deferred. Let us move on to the next Order. Second Reading

Sen. Karungo Thang’wa is not present. Therefore, that Order is deferred.

Services, Senate.

(Bill deferred) That is the last Order as per today’s Order Paper. Hon. Senators, kindly rise.

Hon. Senators, there being no other business on the Order Paper, the Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday, 2nd April, 2025, at