Hansard Summary

The Senate met for an afternoon sitting on March 12, 2024, and discussed the rejection of the Employment (Amendment) Bill by the National Assembly. The Speaker reported the decision and sought the appointment of Senators to a Mediation Committee. The Majority Leader laid various reports of the Auditor-General on financial statements of various entities. The Senate debates reports from the Auditor-General on various county governments' financial statements. A notice of motion is given to designate monthly car-free days and county car-free zones. A statement is sought on the boundary dispute between Kwale and Kilifi counties. The Senate debates focused on two main topics: the alleged use of excessive force by the police during a peaceful procession by the Kenya Medical Practitioners, Pharmacists and Dentists Union (KMPDU) and the effects of proposed energy regulations. Senators sought statements from committees on these issues, raising concerns about police brutality, harassment of peaceful demonstrators, and the need for a more dynamic and cost-effective energy market.

Sentimental Analysis

Mixed

THE PARLIAMENT OF KENYA

THE SENATE

THE HANSARD

PARLIAMENT OF KENYA

Tuesday, 12th March, 2024

DETERMINATION OF QUORUM AT COMMENCEMENT OF SITTING

Clerk, do we have quorum?

Then, kindly proceed to call the first Order.

MESSAGE FROM THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY REJECTION BY THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF THE EMPLOYMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.10 OF 2022)

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AND WHEREAS on Tuesday, 5th March, 2024, the National Assembly considered and rejected the Bill, thereby committing it to a Mediation Committee, pursuant to Article 112(1)(a) of the Constitution;

NOW THEREFORE, in accordance with the provisions of Article 112 of the Constitution and Standing Orders No.149 of the National Assembly Standing Orders, I hereby convey the said decision of the National Assembly to the Senate and seek the appointment of Senators to the Mediation Committee on the said Bill.

Hon. Senators, consequent to the said decision, the Speaker of the National Assembly appointed the following Members of the National Assembly to the Mediation Committee to consider the Bill in accordance with Article 113 of the Constitution-

Senate Standing Orders and in consultation with the Majority and Minority Leaders, I will at the appropriate time, appoint Senators to the Joint Mediation Committee.

Thank you. Next Order.

Hon. Senators, take your seats. Kindly be orderly.

PAPERS LAID

Proceed, Majority Leader.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate, today, Tuesday, 12th March, 2024-

REPORTS OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL ON FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF VARIOUS ENTITIES

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Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Kericho County Alcoholic Drinks Control Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Kajiado County Youth and Women Enterprise Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of the County Government of Marsabit Mortgage Scheme Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Municipality of Malindi for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Ol Kalou Municipality for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Baringo County Lake Bogoria Community Grant for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Baringo County Co- operative Development Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Narok County Assembly Car Loans, Grants and Mortgages Scheme Fund for the year ended 30th June,

of Narok – County Revenue Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Maasai Mara Community Support Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Makueni County Bursary Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Makueni County Emergency Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Kakamega County Alcoholic Drinks Control Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Kakamega County Small Scale Trade Development Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Kakamega County Education Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Kakamega County Maternal Child Health and Family Planning Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Kakamega County Investment and Development Agency Limited for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of the County Government of Kisumu - County Revenue Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of the County Assembly of Kisumu Car Loan and Mortgage Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of the County Government of Kisumu - Receiver of Revenue for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Kisumu County Covid- 19 Emergency Response Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

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Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of the County Executive of Siaya for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of County Government of Siaya – County Revenue Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Siaya County Education Bursary Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Siaya County Emergency Fund of for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of the County Executive of Vihiga for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of the County Assembly of Vihiga for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of the County Government of Vihiga - Receiver of Revenue for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Report of the Auditor-General on Financial Statements of Vihiga County Sports Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2023.

Thank you.

The Chairperson Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare or any Member of that Committee?

REPORT ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE (VALUES AND PRINCIPLES) (AMENDMENT) BILL,2022

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate, today, 12th March, 2024-

Report of the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare on its consideration of the Public Service

(Amendment)

Bill

(National Assembly Bills No. 46 of 2022)

.

Next Order.

NOTICE OF MOTION

Proceed, Sen. Crystal Asige.

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Be patient with her as she walks in.

DESIGNATION OF A MONTHLY CAR FREE DAY AND COUNTY CAR FREE ZONES

Pardon me, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to give notice of the following Motion- THAT, AWARE THAT Kenyans have a right to a clean and healthy environment pursuant to Article 42 of the Constitution;

NOTING THAT the National Climate Change Action Plan (NCCAP) identifies transportation as the fourth largest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, which if uncontrolled, will result to the negative impact of climate change with adverse effects to millions of Kenyans;

CONCERNED THAT the number of private vehicles has significantly grown, leading to increased road accidents, carbon emission and vehicle congestion, costs of which are in excess of Kshs100 billion in Gross Domestic Plan (GDP) per year;

NOW THEREFORE the Senate urges the Ministry of Roads and Transport, Ministry of Environment, Climate Change and Forestry, in collaboration with the Council of Governors and the National Climate Change Council to-

QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS

STATEMENTS

BOUNDARY DISPUTE BETWEEN KWALE AND KILIFI COUNTIES

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations regarding boundary disputes between Kwale and Kilifi counties.

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In the Statement, the committee should-

especially in Kanjaocha Village in Samburu/Chengoni Ward in Kwale County, disclosing the underlying causes of disputes as well as any obstacles impeding its resolution.

Duruma communities, clarifying whether they are linked to the boundary disputes.

disputes and explain the basis for the recent declarations by the county commissioners from the respective counties regarding the matter.

including double taxation of traders by the county governments in boundary regions pending resolution of the disputes.

any targeted interventions required of the national and county governments.

Proceed, Sen. Sifuna.

ALLEGED USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE BY THE POLICE DURING KMPDU PEACEFUL PROCESSION

Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the record, I am holding brief for Sen. Oketch Gicheru of Migori.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations regarding the use of unnecessary and excessive force by the police during the peaceful procession by the Kenya Medical---

Order, hon. Senators. The Senator for Nandi, can you not locate your seat? It is somewhere here.

Proceed, Sen. Sifuna.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to begin from the top. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations regarding the use of unnecessary and excessive force by the police during the peaceful procession by the Kenya Medical Practitioners, Pharmacists and Dentists Union (KMPDU) on Thursday, 29th February, 2024.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

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why KMPDU’s peaceful march was disrupted by the police who unprovoked and in close range launched tear gas at KMPDU members, gravely injuring the union’s Secretary General, Mr. Davji Atellah, and several young medical interns.

particularly targeting the union’s Secretary General, and provide a status update on disciplinary proceedings initiated against the said officers.

and compensate those who were injured by the police during the procession.

harassment of individuals exercising their constitutional right to demonstrate peacefully and to safeguard similar incidents in the future.

I have read the Statement on behalf of Sen. Oketch Gicheru, MP. He is the Senator for Migori County.

Next is Sen. Veronica Maina. Sen. Veronica Maina: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I have two Statements and I believe I can read both of them.

Sen. Veronica Maina. Sen. Veronica Maina:
Sen. Veronica Maina. Sen. Veronica Maina:

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53

(1)

to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Energy regarding the effects of the proposed energy

regulations by the Energy and Petroleum Regulatory Authority

(EPRA)

on the electricity sector in the country.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

EFFECTS OF PROPOSED ENERGY REGULATIONS, 2024

Sen. Veronica Maina

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53

(1)

to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Energy regarding the effects of the proposed energy

regulations by the Energy and Petroleum Regulatory Authority

(EPRA)

on the electricity sector in the country.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

Sen. Veronica Maina, your colleagues cannot hear you. Just use the other microphone.

Sen. Veronica Maina

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brought by the proposed regulations with a view to safeguarding consumer interests throughout this transformation.

healthy competition, potentially resulting in streamlining of the electricity market and ensuring optimal resource utilization, thereby fortifying the nations power infrastructure and reliability.

that the envisioned benefits for Kenyans are realised to the fullest, particularly enhanced money market efficiency, the possibility of affording consumers a broader spectrum of choices of service providers as well as inventive solutions and reduced electricity prices.

I have a second Statement on the efficiency and competitiveness of the Port of Mombasa.

Sen. Veronica Maina

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing regarding the efficiency and competitiveness of the Port of Mombasa.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

EFFICIENCY AND COMPETITIVENESS OF THE PORT OF MOMBASA

Sen. Veronica Maina

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing regarding the efficiency and competitiveness of the Port of Mombasa.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

Order, Sen. M. Kajwang'. I have been watching you keenly. Now you are on the sixth minute just exchanging greetings. Kindly make use of the Lounge because it has no Standing Orders.

Proceed, Sen. Veronica Maina.

Sen. Veronica Maina

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Sen. Veronica Maina

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare regarding the policies governing confirmation of appointment in public service after probation period.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

POLICIES GOVERNING CONFIRMATION OF APPOINTMENT IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare regarding the policies governing confirmation of appointment in public service after probation period.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

Order, hon. Senators! Sen. Miraj and Sen. Nyamu, you may consult, but keep it in low tones

The third question is as follows-

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have two Statements. With your kind permission, I request that I take both of them.

First, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education regarding the exclusion of Alternative Provision of Basic Education and Training Institutions, formerly known as (APBET) institutions, from the education framework.

In the Statement, the Committee should -

EXCLUSION OF APBET INSTITUTIONS FROM EDUCATION FRAMEWORK

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consequently denying them the institutions and their learners’ access to national and county government support and services, including competition which are available to other comparable learning institutions.

institutions that are feasible and distinct from regulations for conventional schools, and if so, provide timelines for the same.

learners to APBET institutions, especially within the nomadic communities where the population is largely excluded from formal school systems.

Thank you, Mr Speaker, Sir. Secondly, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing on the ownership of Kariokor Estate in Starehe Constituency, Nairobi County.

In the Statement, the Committee should -

OWNERSHIP OF KARIOKOR ESTATE IN STAREHE CONSTITUENCY

Thank you, Mr Speaker, Sir. Secondly, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing on the ownership of Kariokor Estate in Starehe Constituency, Nairobi County.

In the Statement, the Committee should -

Sen. Esther Okenyuri, you may proceed.

WELL-BEING OF POLICE OFFICERS WHILE ON DUTY

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Trade, Industrialization and Tourism regarding the disbursement of UWEZO of fund by the Ministry of Cooperatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) , development.

In the Statement, the Committee should -

DISBURSEMENT AND UTILIZATION OF UWEZO FUND

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wares of fund since its establishment in the year 2014 to date, clearly indicating the amount released to each of the 290 constituencies for the three intended categories, that is youth, women, and Persons with Disabilities (PwDs) for the same period.

the fund, and outline the strategies put in place by the relevant ministry to recover the defaulted loans.

expanding access to finances for the youth, women, and PwDs for business and enterprise development since its inception.

and outline the measures being put in place by the Ministry to ensure prudent and efficient use of the fund as anticipated in the Public Finance Management (PFM) Act.

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wares of fund since its establishment in the year 2014 to date, clearly indicating the amount released to each of the 290 constituencies for the three intended categories, that is youth, women, and Persons with Disabilities (PwDs) for the same period.

the fund, and outline the strategies put in place by the relevant ministry to recover the defaulted loans.

expanding access to finances for the youth, women, and PwDs for business and enterprise development since its inception.

and outline the measures being put in place by the Ministry to ensure prudent and efficient use of the fund as anticipated in the Public Finance Management (PFM) Act.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education concerning the state of Early Childhood Development Education, (ECDE) teachers training in the country.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

STATUS OF ECDE TEACHERS TRAINING IN THE COUNTRY

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education concerning the state of Early Childhood Development Education, (ECDE) teachers training in the country.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

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Sen. Osotsi, you may proceed.

UTILIZATION OF EMERGENCY RELIEF FUNDS IN ISIOLO COUNTY

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations regarding the conditions of markets within Vihiga County.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

STATE OF MARKETS IN VIHIGA COUNTY

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations regarding the conditions of markets within Vihiga County.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

Senator for Nandi County, proceed. Sen. Tabitha Keroche is certainly not the Senator for Nandi County.

Sen. Cherarkey

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Senator of Nakuru County is confusing me.

CRITERIA USED BY ATHLETICS KENYA TO SELECT TEAM TO 13TH ALL AFRICA GAMES

Sen. Cherarkey

Services, Senate. by Athletics Kenya (AK) to identify and select officials and team representing Kenya in the upcoming 13th Edition of the Africa Games in Accra, Ghana.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

who will represent Kenya, stating the level of preparedness by all the federations and teams currently preparing for the All Africa Games to be held in Accra, Ghana.

the federations to scale down on representatives to the All Africa Games, yet they the games had been budgeted for in the Financial Year 2023, explaining the fate of those left out from the 259 athletes and officials who were initially slated to travel to Ghana.

Athletics Kenya has taken to ensure that the morale and team spirit of team Kenya remains high considering that athletes had boycotted the track exercises at the Nyayo National Stadium because they were disgruntled.

federations on the sponsorship and partnership detailing what they have contributed in support of Kenya’s preparation at the All Africa Games in Accra, Ghana.

I thank you.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources on the status of the processing of land ownership documents for residents of Nanyuki and Makutano/Ngobit Wards in Laikipia County.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

STATUS OF LAND OWNERSHP DOCUMENTS FOR RESIDENTS OF NANYUKI AND LAIKIPIA COUNTIES

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources on the status of the processing of land ownership documents for residents of Nanyuki and Makutano/Ngobit Wards in Laikipia County.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources regarding the status and reason for eviction of 140,000 people living in Ndabibi-Maela Ward Naivasha Sub-County.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

EVICTIONS IN NDABIBI-MAELA, NAIVASHA SUB -COUNTY

Sen. Tabitha Keroche

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Information Communication and Technology on the increased number of dropped calls on the mobile network telecommunications service provider, Safaricom.

INCREASED NUMBER OF DROPPED CALLS ON THE SAFARICOM NETWORK

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In the Statement, the Committee should-

dropped calls when using the calling services on the network, despite its market dominance.

to protect Kenyans from such substandard service.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations regarding the resettlement of Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) from Saku Constituency in Marsabit County.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

RESETTLEMENT OF INTERNALLY DISPLACED PERSONS FROM MARSABIT COUNTY

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations regarding the resettlement of Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) from Saku Constituency in Marsabit County.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

DISTRIBUTION OF RELIEF SUPPLIES TO RESIDENTS OF MARSABIT COUNTY

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education regarding the status of infrastructure projects undertaken by all county governments in the education sector.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

STATUS OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS UNDERTAKEN BY ALL COUNTY GOVERNMENTS IN THE EDUCATION SECTOR

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education regarding the status of infrastructure projects undertaken by all county governments in the education sector.

In the Statement, the Committee should-

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) to make a Statement on a matter of general topical concern namely, the operating expenses of the county offices.

I take this opportunity to inform the House of the progress made in the disbursement of funds to county offices by the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) . I do this appreciating my duty to this House, which approved my appointment as a Commissioner to the PSC on Wednesday, 9th November, 2022.

I wish to notify the House that the PSC as at Thursday 7th March, 2023, received and processed operational returns from 39 county offices. The Commission proceeded to process payments for the offices for their office operations for January to March, 2024.

I wish to notify hon. Senators that the vouchers for payments of the disbursements for the mentioned quarter are in the cash office pending payment.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to bring to the attention of the House that we requested for Exchequer from the National Treasury, but as of 7th March 2024, we have not been funded. As an interim measure, the Commission has facilitated the payment of staff salaries for the period of January and February, 2024.

DISBURSEMENT OF FUNDS TO COUNTY OFFICES BY THE PSC

Sen. Omogeni

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I, therefore, wish to bring to the attention of all Senators that though they are required to account for their office expenses for January, February, and March 2024, we have been unable to disburse these monies to the respective accounts due to the Exchequer not being released by the National Treasury.

I, therefore, request Senators to take note for general information and not to confront me on the corridors as to why money has not reached their accounts.

I thank you.

Sen. Omogeni

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I, therefore, wish to bring to the attention of all Senators that though they are required to account for their office expenses for January, February, and March 2024, we have been unable to disburse these monies to the respective accounts due to the Exchequer not being released by the National Treasury.

I, therefore, request Senators to take note for general information and not to confront me on the corridors as to why money has not reached their accounts.

I thank you.

I will allow comments on these Statements, two Senators from each side.

Sen. Wambua, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I thank Commissioner, Sen. Omogeni, for updating the House on the status of the release of funds, especially for operations of our respective county offices.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are now beginning to play hide and seek with the electorate and even our members of staff. This is because the funds that Sen. Omogeni has made reference to for the operations, Senators will use for tea in their offices and for hiring taxis to different destinations.

The amount of debt that has been accumulated by the respective offices of Senators are staggering. Since January, that amount has not been received in our counties. It puts us in a very awkward situation. We require other Government offices to operate and deliver services, but we are unable to operationalize our own offices.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a matter that the National Treasury must begin to take more seriously than they do. Disbursements to different votes for Parliament should not be an afterthought. It should be a priority issue. Moreover, monies that were due in January have not been released to date and there is no sign that it will be released tomorrow or the day after. Therefore, the National Treasury must take note.

I thank the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) for that update.

Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

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If Parliament is going to fail because you are losing your independence, that is the beginning of failure of Government. If Parliament is unable to oversight the Executive, you open up avenues for corruption and all that.

(Applause) We, therefore, would like to encourage you and tell you that we are behind you. This is not personal. It is about the Constitution of Kenya. The Executive must be oversighted. We are here equipped, ready, willing and energetic. We want to do it. The old era where people used to do what they like when they are in an Executive Office should be brought to an end.

(Applause) Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have seen in this House we have invited Cabinet Secretaries to come and answer questions arising from their portfolio. The Cabinet Secretaries know that this new trend was pioneered by their nominating authority; the President of Kenya, but they still tell us to go to hell.

Members, we must exercise the power of the purse of Parliament, if we want the Executive to perform.

(Applause)

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If Parliament is going to fail because you are losing your independence, that is the beginning of failure of Government. If Parliament is unable to oversight the Executive, you open up avenues for corruption and all that.

(Applause) We, therefore, would like to encourage you and tell you that we are behind you. This is not personal. It is about the Constitution of Kenya. The Executive must be oversighted. We are here equipped, ready, willing and energetic. We want to do it. The old era where people used to do what they like when they are in an Executive Office should be brought to an end.

(Applause) Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have seen in this House we have invited Cabinet Secretaries to come and answer questions arising from their portfolio. The Cabinet Secretaries know that this new trend was pioneered by their nominating authority; the President of Kenya, but they still tell us to go to hell.

Members, we must exercise the power of the purse of Parliament, if we want the Executive to perform.

(Applause)

Hon. Senators, the contribution by the two hon. Senators should sum it all.

Before I ask the Clerk to call the next Order, I have got this Communication to make.

COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR

VISITING DELEGATION FROM KITENGELA MAGEREZA SECONDARY SCHOOL

Services, Senate. delighted to see the students here at the Senate. I hope the visit motivates them to go and work hard, study and be the future Senators and Members of Parliament (MPs) in this country. Additionally, they can become Presidents and all other professions.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, it delights me particularly because I built this school when I was a MP from ground zero to what it is today.

(Applause) Additionally, it was voted one of the best secondary schools funded using the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) and one of the best 20 nationally. Therefore, I invite the Senate to one time visit the school and see what it looks like.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, they are most welcomed in the Senate.

Services, Senate. delighted to see the students here at the Senate. I hope the visit motivates them to go and work hard, study and be the future Senators and Members of Parliament (MPs) in this country. Additionally, they can become Presidents and all other professions.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, it delights me particularly because I built this school when I was a MP from ground zero to what it is today.

(Applause) Additionally, it was voted one of the best secondary schools funded using the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) and one of the best 20 nationally. Therefore, I invite the Senate to one time visit the school and see what it looks like.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, they are most welcomed in the Senate.

Next Order, Clerk. Clerk, just have a seat. Before we start some war in Kajiado County, I will allow Sen. Seki, under one minute, to extend a welcome to the visiting delegation.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I thought you forgot that I am an elected Senator.

Proceed, Sen. Seki. Of course, you are the elected Senator for Kajiado.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I take this opportunity to also welcome the students from Kitengela Magereza Mixed Secondary School, together with the teachers, on behalf of the Senate.

I am the Senator for Kajiado. I appreciate you coming here today to learn from this Senate. I also thank Sen. Tobiko for being a pillar of our county, particularly Kajiado East and for establishing this school in 2017. We can now the see the fruits by you being here.

As you go back home, you would have learned quite a lot. I thank you.

Next Order, Clerk.

PROCEDURAL MOTION

ALTERATION OF MEETING HOURS FOR 13TH AND 14TH, MARCH 2024

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I second the Motion.

I beg to move and request the Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Madzayo, to second. I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I second the Motion.

Hon. Senators, kindly, take your seats. Hon. Senators, I now proceed to propose the question.

Hon. Senators, this being a Procedural Motion, you may elect to debate this Motion or allow me to put the question so that we vote.

Hon. Members

Put the Question!

Services, Senate. Hon. Senators, allow me to invoke Standing Order No. 45(2) for the convenience of the House to rearrange today's Order Paper. We will skip Order No.9 and move straight away to Order No.10.

Clerk, can you proceed to call Order No.10?

Services, Senate. Hon. Senators, allow me to invoke Standing Order No. 45(2) for the convenience of the House to rearrange today's Order Paper. We will skip Order No.9 and move straight away to Order No.10.

Clerk, can you proceed to call Order No.10?

COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

IN THE COMMITTEE

THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.75 OF 2023)

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, I am proposing an amendment to Clause 3 that seeks to delete the words “institutional housing” appearing immediately after the words “affordable housing” in paragraph (b) . The justification is, if you look at the definition of institutional housing projects, this relates to building houses for prisons and universities and is not within the rights envisaged under Article 43 of the Constitution. Thank you. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 5 of the Bill be amended in subsection (2) by deleting the words “business or company which” and substituting therefor the words “person who”.

The justification is that this amendment seeks to capture all legal persons and not just businesses or companies. This amendment will ensure equity in application of the exemption.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division will be at the end. Clause 6

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 6 of the Bill be amended—

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 7 of the Bill be deleted and substituted with the following new clause– Default on

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 9 of the Bill be amended –

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

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(ea) loans approved by the Cabinet Secretary for the time being in charge of the National Treasury;

The justification is that this amendment seeks to correct a cross-referencing error. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Division will be at the end. Clause 10

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 10 of the Bill be amended—

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, the justification is to remove institutional housing projects from entities that will benefit from affordable housing.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division will be at the end.

There is a further amendment to Clause 10 by the Chairperson of the Standing Committee or Roads, Transportation and Housing.

Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 10 of the Bill be amended-

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(ii) by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (g)—

maintenance in the purpose of the Fund and empower the boards to provide post- development services to projects still under the management.

(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Division will be at the end. Clause 11

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): We also have two amendments for this; one by Sen. Omogeni and another one by the committee. The two amendments are not conflicting. We will begin with the one by Sen. Omogeni.

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 11 be amended

Division will be at the end. Clause 10

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 10 of the Bill be amended—

Sen. Omogeni

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(4A) The monies under subclause (4)(c) shall be appropriated as a conditional grant to county governments

This amendment seeks to reduce payment that may be made to the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) for services provided from the current 2 per cent to 0.5 per cent. This is because the Authority is already mandated to carry out the task of collection of payments due to the Government.

Also this amendment seeks to facilitate the county committees to carry out their functions. Remember the first Bill did not have county boards. We introduced that in this clause. This amendment also seeks to ensure that 0.5 per cent monies to counties governments are allocated through provision of a conditional grant under the additional allocation due to county governments.

(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Division will be at the end. Clause 12

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 12 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (3) by deleting the words “National Assembly” and substituting therefor the word “Parliament”.

The justification; this amendment seeks to ensure that the investment plan is tabled before both Houses of Parliament. This will ensure that the Senate as the protector of counties and their governments is apprised of the five-year affordable housing investment program.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division will be at the end. Clause 13

The Temporary Chairperson

: We have two amendments, one is by Sen. Omogeni and the other by the Committee. If Sen. Omogeni’s amendment is carried, the Committee’s amendment will be dropped.

Proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

Division will be at the end. There is a further amendment to Clause 10 by the Chairperson of the Standing Committee or Roads, Transportation and Housing.

Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 10 of the Bill be amended-

Services, Senate.(ii) by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (g)—maintenance in the purpose of the Fund and empower the boards to provide post- development services to projects still under the management.(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. This is just correction of grammar.

I beg to move- THAT clause 14 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (3) —

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

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The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Division at the end. We have further amendments.

Proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT clause 14 of the Bill be amended—

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move - THAT Clause 15 of the Bill be amended—

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The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Division at the end. We have further amendments.

The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing.

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 15 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (d) — (da) inspect and enforce compliance to this Act, guidelines and regulations set under the Act.

The justification is that this amendment seeks to empower the Board to inspect developments funded by the Fund and enforce compliance with the Act.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division at the end. Clause 16

The Temporary Chairperson

: Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing.

Division will be at the end. Clause 12

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 12 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (3) by deleting the words “National Assembly” and substituting therefor the word “Parliament”. The justification; this amendment seeks to ensure that the investment plan is tabled before both Houses of Parliament. This will ensure that the Senate as the protector of counties and their governments is apprised of the five-year affordable housing investment program. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Division will be at the end. Clause 13 The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 18 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “other than an ex- officio member” appearing immediately after the word “member”.

The justification is that this amendment seeks to remove reference to the Chief Executive Officer in provisions that relate to the filling of a vacancy that arises in the Board.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division will be at the end. Clause 19

The Temporary Chairperson

: Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing, proceed.

Sen. Omogeni

I beg to move the amendment- THAT Clause 19 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by inserting the word “First” immediately after the words “accordance with the”

The justification is that this amendment seeks to clarify, which amongst the three Schedules, the Section is referring to.

Sen. Omogeni

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(Question of the amendment proposed) Clauses 20, 21 and 22

(Question, that Clauses 20, 21 and 22 be part of the Bill, proposed) Division will be at the end. Clause 23

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing.

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. I wish to move the amendment-

THAT clause 23 of the Bill be amended—

Division at the end. Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT clause 13 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (3) by deleting the words “the National Assembly for approval before disbursing funds out of the Fund” and substituting therefor the word “Parliament”. This amendment seeks to ensure that the annual investment programme is tabled before both Houses of Parliament. This will ensure that the Senate as the protector of counties and their governments is apprised of the annual investment program. (Question of the further amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

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subsection (2), apply to the allocation of public land for the implementation of the affordable housing scheme and development of institutional housing scheme.

unless the Board has, in the prescribed manner-

executive committee and county assembly; and

We did away with the first one, as it appeared on the Order Paper, in consultation with the Committee.

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Go ahead, Sen. Omogeni.

Division at the end. Clause 14 The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Sen. Abass, would you want drop the institutional housing scheme in your amendment to Clause 32 (1) ?

Mr. Chairman, Sir, I will not drop it.

Services, Senate.The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Division at the end. We have further amendments.Proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT clause 14 of the Bill be amended—

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move - THAT Clause 15 of the Bill be amended—

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move– THAT the Bill be amended by deleting clause 35 and substituting therefor the following new clause — Agreement with private institutions and persons.

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move- THAT Clause 35 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “Fund” and substituting therefor the word “Board”.

Justification is that this amendment seeks to clarify that it is the board that is empowered t enter into contract on behalf of the fund.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division at the end. Clause 36

Division at the end. We have further amendments.The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 15 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (d) — (da) inspect and enforce compliance to this Act, guidelines and regulations set under the Act. The justification is that this amendment seeks to empower the Board to inspect developments funded by the Fund and enforce compliance with the Act. (Question of the further amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

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The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Division at the end. Clause 38

The proposed amendment by Sen. Abass will be dropped if the Committee’s amendment will go through.

Division at the end. Clause 16 The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, maybe Sen. Abass could go first before I move my amendment.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, having compared notes, we found that these things are the same for the Chairperson and myself. Therefore, I drop mine.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Abass, say that you withdraw yours.

I withdraw my amendment.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Very well. Chairperson, move the amendment, please.

Services, Senate.(ii) by deleting the words “his or her” appearing in paragraph (d) and substituting therefor the word “their”; andExecutive Officer in provisions that relate to the tenure of office of the Board. It also seeks to introduce gender-neutral language and remove reference to Chief Executive Office in the provisions of the tenure of the office of the Board.(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Services, Senate. Clause 39

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): We have two amendments for Clause 39 and they are not conflicting. Chairperson?

Division will be at the end. Clause 18The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I think there was confusion. Clause 39 is withdrawn.

Clause 40

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move-

THAT Clause 40 of the Bill be amended by-

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 41 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “where applicable”

In consideration of our Muslim brothers and sisters, I wish to withdraw that amendment.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Chairperson, for the record, could you state that you are withdrawing Clause 41.

Division will be at the end. Clause 19 The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

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(Proposed amendment to Clause 41 by Sen. Thang’wa withdrawn)

Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing, proceed.

I beg to move the amendment- THAT Clause 19 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by inserting the word “First” immediately after the words “accordance with the”

The justification is that this amendment seeks to clarify, which amongst the three Schedules, the Section is referring to.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 42 of the Bill be amended by deleting sub-clause (4) and substituting therefor the following new sub-clauses-

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Services, Senate. Division will be at the end. Clause 44

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move:- THAT, Clause 44 (2) of the Bill be amended by deleting paragraph (a) and substituting therefor the following new paragraph-

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I think you have omitted two of my amendments; that is Clause 37 (a) and Clause 42 (a) .

The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Abass, those are new clauses. We will come back to them. Clause 45

Services, Senate. Allocation ofland. No. 6 of 2012subsection (2), apply to the allocation of public land for the implementation of the affordable housing scheme and development of institutional housing scheme.unless the Board has, in the prescribed manner-executive committee and county assembly; andWe did away with the first one, as it appeared on the Order Paper, in consultation with the Committee.The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Go ahead, Sen. Omogeni.

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I had moved an amendment that was doing away with institutional housing. However, the amendment by Sen. Abass is retaining institutional housing, which I proposed to be deleted. I want your directions.

Sen. Abdul Haji

Sen. Abass, would you want drop the institutional housing scheme in your amendment to Clause 32 (1) ?

Mr. Chairman, Sir, I will not drop it.

Sen. Abdul Haji

Services, Senate. declared Section 84 of the Finance Act unconstitutional and that was the basis for the collection of these funds.

So, the entire Clause 48 is unconstitutional in view of the declarations already made by the courts. It will have a retrospective application, which is not allowed.

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Yes, Sen. Cheruiyot.

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. If Sen. Omogeni was in the House on the day that I moved the Bill, I made reference to the specific clause and said that as Parliament, it is our constitutional duty to legislate.

There is no happening outside the precincts of Parliament that can influence Parliament as it makes its decision on a law making process whichever way. It does not matter what the courts may have said on a particular topic. Article 94 of the Constitution of Kenya gives the Senate and the National Assembly the only responsibility of making law. Therefore, that is not an issue that should forestall us.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Thank you, Sen. Omogeni, do you want to comment?

Proceed, Chairperson Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing.

Thank you, very much, Mr. Temporary Chairperson. I beg to move-

THAT Clause 33 of the Bill be amended–

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson. The discussion taking place now is the reason we have the Committee of the Whole. Sen. Omogeni, the reading we have is that we are now making the law that will align with the fears that caused the courts to make that pronouncement.

Once we legislate the way we have done, going forward, we will be doing something, which will be aligned to what the courts wished. It is up to you as an active Member of the Azimio Coalition and a legislator to go and visit the issue of the money already collected. We are legislating for going forward.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Wambua, you have the Floor.

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

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Sen. Abdul Haji):

Thank you Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I need protection from Sen. Omogeni.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Omogeni, please.

There are two amendments. The Committee will have to drop the amendments if Sen. Omogeni’s amendment goes through.Proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 34 of the Bill be deleted. The justification is to remove institutional development as beneficiaries of affordable housing. Thank you. (Question of amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Division at the end. There is a further amendment by the Chairperson of the Committee. Proceed,

Mr. Temporary Chairperson. I beg to move- THAT Clause 34 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “Fund” and substituting therefor “Board”. Justification is that this amendment seeks to clarify that it is the Board that is empowered to enter into contracts on behalf of the Fund. (Question of the further amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clauses immediately after clause 11A— Borrowing by the Board

11B. The Board may, with the approval of the Board. Cabinet Secretary in charge of Treasury, borrow funds for the advancement of the objectives of the Act.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division at the end.

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

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Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move- THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clauses immediately after clause 31-

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move- THAT Clause 35 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “Fund” and substituting therefor the word “Board”. Justification is that this amendment seeks to clarify that it is the board that is empowered t enter into contract on behalf of the fund. (Question of the further amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate. This is the part where we are putting the role of county governments in the Affordable Housing Bill.

Division at the end. Clause 36

I beg to move- THAT Clause 36 of the Bill be amended in Sub-clause (1) by deleting the word “Fund” and substituting therefore the word “Board”. Justification is the same as the previous one. (Question of amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate. The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Division will be at the end New Clause 31 C

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Chairperson kindly move.

Division at the end. Clause 37 (Question, that Clause 37 be part of the Bill, proposed)

I beg to Move that the Bill be amended by inserting the following New Clause 31D-

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

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Remuneration of the County Committee members. 31D. The Chairperson and the members of the County Committee shall be paid such sitting allowances or other remuneration for expenses as recommended by the Salaries and Remuneration Commission.

I beg to move that the Bill be amended by inserting the following New Clause 31E-

Conduct of affairs and business of the County Committee. 31E. (1) The conduct of affairs and business of the County Committee shall be in accordance with the First Schedule of this Act.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move that the Bill be amended by inserting the following New Clause 31F-

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, having compared notes, we found that these things are the same for the Chairperson and myself. Therefore, I drop mine. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move, that the Bill be amended by inserting the following New Clause 31G-

County legislation. 31G. Nothing in this Act shall preclude county governments from enacting legislation related to affordable housing in the counties.

I withdraw my amendment. (The proposed amendment to Clause 38 by

Sen. Abass withdrawn) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abass withdrawn) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by inserting the following new section immediately after clause 37 — Priority of ownership for slum residents.

37A. (1) The Board shall, where an affordable housing project is to be implemented on land on which exists a settlement, — ) issue a notice, in the prescribed form, to the residents in that settlement of the intended implementation of the project ) put in place a mechanism for the resettlement of the residents; and ) offer to the residents in that settlement, the first right of purchase of a unit in the project.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division will be at the end. New Clause 42A

The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Abass, kindly move your amendment.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move that the Bill amended by inserting the following New Clause 42A immediately after Clause 42. Issuance of a certificate of ownership.

42A. (1) The Board shall, with the approval of the Cabinet Secretary, transfer the ownership of an affordable housing unit to a qualified applicant upon completion of payment of the agreed price.

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unit has been sold to an individual under the provisions of this Act shall be conclusive evidence of consent under subsection (2).

shall be undertaken in accordance with the Sectional Properties Act.

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move that the Bill amended by inserting the following New Clause 42B immediately after Clause 42. Restrictions as to ownership.

42B. A person shall not acquire more than one affordable housing unit developed under this Act.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division will be at the end. New Clause 42C

The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Abass, kindly move your amendment.

One moment Sen. Abass. What is your point of order Sen. M. Kajwang’?

We have two amendments for Clause 39 and they are not conflicting. Chairperson?

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 39 of the Bill be amended in sub clause (1) by deleting the word “Section 30” and substituting therefor the words “Section 38”. This amendment seeks to correct a cross-referencing error. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate. has been proposed to be part of a Bill. However, you are moving too fast. Even when we want to make any comment following your proposal, it becomes difficult to catch up, particularly, on Clause 42B. I wanted to comment on your proposal just before you put the Question. I was requesting that you move a little bit slowly at the proposal so that you only put the Question if there is no comment from the Members.

This is the stage of law-making. In the Second Reading, we are debating but at this point, we are writing the law with a fine toothpick. Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg that you allow me to make some comments on New Clause 42B and in subsequent proposals you can allow Members to contribute.

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Thank you, Sen. M. Kajwang’. You have been in this House for a long time and you know very well how to catch the Chair’s’ eye. You did it when you wanted to make a point of order and I gave you an opportunity to interject. In the same way, if you wanted to make your contribution to any of the clauses; we have a screen here. You should have pressed your intervention button and we would have seen and given you an opportunity.

Division will be at the end. There is a further amendment by Sen. Abass. Proceed.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I think there was confusion. Clause 39 is withdrawn.

Clause 40

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move-

THAT Clause 40 of the Bill be amended by-

Services, Senate. that at the Third Reading Stage, any Member has a right to rise and make amendments subject to certain consultations with the Chair of the respective Committee. However, does it take away the right of the public to be part of the decisions we make? Does it take away the constitutional responsibility to ensure that we inject the views and voice of the public into what we do?

I think this is a fairly dangerous amendment because it comes from a position of want; a position that we are in and that could be easily solved in five or 10 years. Once the situation has been solved in 10 years and every Kenyan has access to affordable housing; even if they are not bought from this project, there are those who come from communities like mine--- I am still speaking to this amendment--- There are certain cultural dimensions to home ownership that we do not take into account when we are legislating.

We think that everyone comes from Singapore and South Korea, but we come from Kenya. In my community, when a boy gets to the age of 18 or 19, he is compelled to build his first house called a Simba. About 90 percent of men in my community have access to houses---

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Sen. M. Kajwang’, if you could please summarize, so that we can get a response to that argument.

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, as per the practice in this House, if there is a limitation of debate, it is done before the Member takes the Floor.

In the Committee of the Whole, we have agreed when you propose a Question any Member has a right to comment. Therefore, if you would allow me my 15 minutes. If there is a need for limitation of debate, that Motion can be made after I have finished my submission. Those are the rules of this House, not Government. When we are discussing a matter so important to Kenyans, we cannot be casual about the application of the law.

The Chair cannot be directed to commit illegalities and unconstitutional behaviors. When I took the Floor, I was entitled to 15 minutes to discuss the proposal. If any Member wants to limit debate, they can only do it after I have sat down. Those are the rules of the House. They are in this blue book and not in any political party document.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, if you allow me, I will be done with my contribution to New Clause 42B in 15 minutes then yield the Floor to other Members to make their comments.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. M. Kajwang’, we are in the Committee of the Whole.

Chairperson, for the record, could you state that you are withdrawing Clause 41.

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(Proposed amendment to Clause 41 by Sen. Thang’wa withdrawn)

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I wish to withdraw Clause 41 that we were amending by deleting “where applicable” for the sake of our Muslim brothers and sisters.

On a point of order Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I want some clarity on how he withdrew a clause. I thought he should be proposing to delete the Clause. Let him put it clearly so that we get it properly. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I am not in the mood to engage in a heckling debate. Please protect me.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Cheruiyot, you are protected. Please proceed.

Sen. M.

Point of order! The Temporary Chairperson

: Hon. Senators, we need to conclude on Sen. M. Kajwang’s issue.

Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of order?

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I would like your attention. I am drawing your attention to Standing Order No.185 on general application of rules in Committee of the Whole. Allow me to read it.

“Except as otherwise provided in these Standing Orders, the same rules of order and of debate for the conduct of business shall be observed in the Committee of the Whole as in the Senate.”

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I think you have omitted two of my amendments; that is Clause 37 (a) and Clause 42 (a) . The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I have said on this Floor that I have tremendous respect for Sen. Cheruiyot. He is a young Senator who has a bright future. However, shouting at us is not right. He needs to allow us to raise our points of order.

We are in this House because we derive our powers from the Constitution. Sen. Sifuna has referred to Standing Order No.185. I want us to bear in mind Article 124 (1) of the Constitution. It states that–

“Each House of Parliament may establish committees, and shall make Standing Orders for the orderly conduct of its proceedings, including the proceedings of its committees.”

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, the Standing Order that Sen. Sifuna has read has a bearing on what is happening. The same Standing Orders that allow us to raise issues

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 45 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by deleting the words “he is” appearing in paragraph (b) (i) and substituting therefor the word “they are.” This amendment seeks to introduce gender-neutral language. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, please protect me from Sen. Cherarkey.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Let us hear him in silence.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, do not take this House back to where we were in Section 2A of the old Constitution. We are now operating under the Constitution of 2010.

Sen. Cherarkey, there are Kenyans who died to put this Constitution in place. We have to remind you about the history---

The Temporary Chairperson

: Order, hon. Senators! Sen. Omogeni, please conclude.

Services, Senate.THAT clause 47 of the Bill be amended— (a) in sub-clause (2) by inserting the following new paragraphs—affordable housing unit under section 38 after paragraph (a);(ii) immediately after paragraph (i);incomes of the individual applicants;under an affordable housing scheme;shall table before Parliament, the regulations madeunder this section within thirty days of commencement of this Act.resolution passed by Parliament.rejecting any regulations within fifteen sitting days after submission to it for approval, the House shall be deemed to have approved those regulations.This amendment seeks to empower the Cabinet Secretary to develop regulations that will ensure the better carrying into effect of the provisions of this Act. Also, this amendment seeks to set the timelines within which the Cabinet Secretary is required to table the amendments before Parliament; the timelines for consideration and approval of the regulations by Parliament.(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):

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The same way when we are in the standing--- Silence, Sen. Cherarkey. When we were in the Committee of the Whole, it is the same way that we do not have a seconder for anything that is moved or any question that is put.

This said hon. Senators, we will proceed as we were proceeding. If there is any clause that you want to make an intervention on, we will give you an opportunity to do so, but be very brief on the matter.

Division will be at the end. Clause 48

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 48 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new sub- clause immediately after sub-clause (3) -

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairperson Sir, I want to get your direction on Clause 48. As you know, there is a High Court decision; Petition No.181 of 2023, that

Sen. Omogeni

Services, Senate. declared Section 84 of the Finance Act unconstitutional and that was the basis for the collection of these funds.So, the entire Clause 48 is unconstitutional in view of the declarations already made by the courts. It will have a retrospective application, which is not allowed.The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Hon. Senators, let me explain myself. Clause 42 (b) is meant to safeguard people so that every Kenyan must have affordable housing.

Order, my friend! I am not addressing you.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. If Sen. Omogeni was in the House on the day that I moved the Bill, I made reference to the specific clause and said that as Parliament, it is our constitutional duty to legislate. There is no happening outside the precincts of Parliament that can influence Parliament as it makes its decision on a law making process whichever way. It does not matter what the courts may have said on a particular topic. Article 94 of the Constitution of Kenya gives the Senate and the National Assembly the only responsibility of making law. Therefore, that is not an issue that should forestall us. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Okay. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I am trying to explain why we are limiting these houses to one person; for one individual, one house. For instance, you could have 100 wives, 10 to 20 children, but we are saying these houses are meant for the poor people and for the low-income earners.

If we say that we are allowing everybody to buy what he wants, then everyone will not get what he wants. What we want is for those people to get what they want, so that these houses can be equally distributed. Consequently, that is the justification of this clause.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Let us have Sen. M. Kajwang’.

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, that was exactly my problem with this provision. That we are legislating for poverty, not for prosperity. When I was making my submission, I was saying that after five to 10 years, everyone has a house. So, what are we going to put in the law that since Sen. Cheruiyot already has a house somewhere in Langata, and after ten years there are additional and excess houses, that will stop him from going for the second round?

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, that is poor legislative drafting and those are poor proposals that should not come in this law.

Article 117 of the Constitution talks about Powers and Privileges of Parliament. It provides unfettered freedom of speech and expression. Those people who today want to limit my speech and expression, we shall wait for you and your day will come when someone will have to stand up for your right of expression and freedom of speech.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I believe because the two minutes are not over, that even after I have prosecuted my reservations on Clause 42 (b) , that all other Members with a contrary view must also be allowed to contribute because this is the only time when Senators can write laws.

Finally, when I am here --- The Temporary Chairperson

: Thank you, Senator. Sen. Kathuri, proceed.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, when we get to the Third Reading of the Bill, the purpose is to bring any amendment that you feel was not captured in the Bill. By doing so, you can convince Members and then we subject it to the vote.

Sen. M. Kajwang’ had all the opportunity during the Second Reading and the Third Reading to bring an amendment, which could have cured his problem. He could have an amendment that it should be open-ended, so that we bring it to the vote at the Third Reading.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Hon. Senators, let us make progress. The people I am giving a chance, Deputy Speaker, are supposed to comment on Clause 42

(b)

and not on the conduct of other Senators in this House.

I will now give an opportunity to Sen. Maanzo.

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, just before I comment on this, I want to talk about my 10 years’ experience now that we talked about traditions in the National Assembly.

On a matter which generates a lot of interest like this particular one, the Chairman will ordinarily allow as many as possible to comment so that out of that, Members could make a clear decision whether to amend further or to remain with the same position when we vote.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, my issue with this particular amendment is that one “may apply to the Board for approval of issuance of an affordable mortgage to develop a rural affordable housing unit.”

The Temporary Chairperson

: Hon. Senators, let us hear him in silence.

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, this particular amendment begins to contradict the whole purpose of the housing. It goes on to create a situation whereby some people get more privileged than others. It creates discrimination, where you may enrich some people more than others.

There should be a way of limiting to make sure if it is affordable housing; it is a unit for everyone across the board. If you have to do round two, then it balances. You do not begin round two when somebody else does not have a house yet and they are deserving. So, it is discriminatory.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I submit. The Temporary Chairperson

: Thank you, Senator. Senator Abbas, you have a comment.

Sen. Wambua, you have the Floor.

Services, Senate.

Thank you Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I need protection from

Sen. Omogeni. The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Omogeni. The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji) :

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Sifuna, what is your intervention?

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, you should ordinarily allow us to make points of order.

I have been given the microphone. This is disorderly conduct by the Senate Majority Leader.

There is a reason I am rising on my feet, pursuant to Standing Order No.121. I have seen the Senate Majority Leader essentially throw a tantrum and smack the desks with his documents there. Yet he has the audacity to accuse me of being disorderly. You have thrown a tantrum. You are doing it again.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Order, Sen. Orwoba!

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, there is only one opportunity for you to have order in this House; that is enforcement of the rules equally.

If it were anybody on the minority side who was throwing the tantrum that I have seen the Senate Majority Leader do, he would have been thrown out of the House. Why is he being treated specially?

Thank you, Senators. Sen. Omogeni, you are the one who brought these contentious issues at this point in time and you were doing very well before. You have brought several amendments. If you felt that this clause was unconstitutional, you should have made your amendments at that time so that we can proceed. Furthermore, the court, throughout the Bill, felt that there was no legal framework. This is the legal framework that is now being made. So, Sen. Omogeni, I will have to rule the we proceed. You should have brought an amendment in due time. Therefore, we proceed. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate.

I want a ruling on each point of order that we raised because we must have a record of how this House treats people and how you apply the rules.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. Please do not pretend you did not see it. I know you are a good man. You have seen it and you must bear true witness.

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Seen what?

Division at the end. Clause 49

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 49 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by inserting the word “before” after the word “immediately”. This amendment seeks to ensure greater clarity by inserting the word “before” after the word “immediately” (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

How many people each side? The Temporary Chairperson

: I will give two people. I will allow two interventions from both sides. On the Minority side, we will have Sen. Wambua and Sen. Omogeni. On the Majority side, we will have Sen. Cherarkey and the Chairperson of the Committee.

Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Services, Senate. New Clauses

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clauses immediately after clause 11— New Clause 11A Investments By the board 11A. The Board may, with the approval of the by the Cabinet Secretary in charge of Treasury, invest any income that is not immediately required. (Question of the New Clause 11A proposed) (New Clause 11A read a First Time) (Question, that New Clause 11A be read a Second Time proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Division at the end. New Clause 11B

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clauses immediately after clause 11A— Borrowing by the Board 11B. The Board may, with the approval of the Board. Cabinet Secretary in charge of Treasury, borrow funds for the advancement of the objectives of the Act. (Question of the New Clause 11B proposed) (New Clause 11B read a First Time) (Question, that New Clause 11B be read a Second Time proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

You should throw Sen. Cherarkey out. This is not for anybody else, but for Sen. Cherarkey. Let him sit attentively and listen.

Article 40

(2)

on protection of the right to property says: “Parliament shall not enact a law---” The Temporary Chairperson

: Thank you, Senator.

Division will be at the end. The First Schedule

The Temporary Chairperson

: The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing, you may proceed.

Order, Senators! The Senate Majority Leader, you are wasting the most time now.

Services, Senate.

Sen. Sifuna, you cannot be exchanging words, let us hear from the Chairperson.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Sir. I beg to move- THAT the First Schedule of the Bill be amended—

PART 111(A)-ROLE OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING

Services, Senate. This is the part where we are putting the role of county governments in the Affordable Housing Bill.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move-

THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clause immediately after clause 31A- Qualifications for appointment

31B. (1) A person qualifies to be appointed as the Chairperson of the County Committee if that person-

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, when we make law, it must first go with the Constitution and then the Statute. The moment you fundamentally amend the original part of the Bill, even though we stand for devolution, and housing should be fully devolved, what the Chairperson has introduced, tend to reverse what had already been passed.

It is important, therefore, that they flow with the Constitution. This is not flowing and the amendment becomes automatically unconstitutional.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I conclude. The Temporary Chairperson

: Sen. Sifuna. I am following the screen. You said you will intervene.

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, with all due respect, I know it is causing some irritation to Sen. Cheruiyot when we do the jobs we were elected to do. I do

Division will be at the end New Clause 31 CThe Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Services, Senate. not know why they are in a rush. They should allow us to speak to the amendments that are being proposed.

I support the amendment that has been proposed by Sen. Omogeni. You can see---

Chairperson kindly move.

I beg to Move that the Bill be amended by inserting the following New Clause 31C-

Tenure of office. 31C. (1) The Chairperson and members of the County Committee, shall hold office for a term of three years and may be eligible for re-appointment for an additional final term of three years.

I beg to Move that the Bill be amended by inserting the following New Clause 31D-

Services, Senate.

Remuneration of the County Committee members. 31D. The Chairperson and the members of the County Committee shall be paid such sitting allowances or other remuneration for expenses as recommended by the Salaries and Remuneration Commission.

I beg to move that the Bill be amended by inserting the following New Clause 31E-

Conduct of affairs and business of the County Committee. 31E. (1) The conduct of affairs and business of the County Committee shall be in accordance with the First Schedule of this Act.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move that the Bill be amended by inserting the following New Clause 31F-

Services, Senate.

Functions of the County Committee. Cap 303, Laws of Kenya. 31F. (1) The County Committee shall—

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move, that the Bill be amended by inserting the following New Clause 31G-

County legislation. 31G. Nothing in this Act shall preclude county governments from enacting legislation related to affordable housing in the counties.

Division will be at the end. Title

The Temporary Chairperson

: I invite the Chairperson Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing to move this amendment.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I wish to withdraw that amendment.

The Temporary Chairperson

: That has been withdrawn; there is no need to proceed.

Division will be at the end. Clause 1

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Chairperson. Having dropped the Title, I wish to also withdraw this amendment.

Division will be at the end. New Clause 42A The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate.

Sen. Abass, kindly move your amendment.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I beg to move that the Bill amended by inserting the following New Clause 42A immediately after Clause 42. Issuance of a certificate of ownership.

42A. (1) The Board shall, with the approval of the Cabinet Secretary, transfer the ownership of an affordable housing unit to a qualified applicant upon completion of payment of the agreed price.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by deleting the definition of the word “institutional housing”

The justification is to remove the definition of the words institutional housing to align it with my other proposed amendments in the Bill.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Chairperson. The Temporary Chairperson

: So, you have brought back the amendment?

Yes, I have now brought back the amendment. That is Clause 2 of the Third Schedule.

The Temporary Chairperson

: Division will be at the end.

I now ask the Mover to report progress.

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Madam Temporary Chairperson, pursuant to Standing Order No.153, I beg to move that the Committee of the Whole do report the progress on its consideration of the Affordable Housing Bill (National Assembly Bills No.75 of 2023) and seek leave to sit again today.

[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair]
Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate.

Hon. Members, please have your seats. Sen. Madzayo and Sen. Tabitha Keroche, let us transact business.

What is your point of order, Senate Majority Leader?

Services, Senate. has been proposed to be part of a Bill. However, you are moving too fast. Even when we want to make any comment following your proposal, it becomes difficult to catch up, particularly, on Clause 42B. I wanted to comment on your proposal just before you put the Question. I was requesting that you move a little bit slowly at the proposal so that you only put the Question if there is no comment from the Members.This is the stage of law-making. In the Second Reading, we are debating but at this point, we are writing the law with a fine toothpick. Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg that you allow me to make some comments on New Clause 42B and in subsequent proposals you can allow Members to contribute.The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Hon. Senators, what is the mood of the House?

Let me give two Members from each side an opportunity to comment. I start with Sen. Sifuna.

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it has become a habit every time there is a matter such as this, instead of allowing more debate on the matters that are before the House, you would see how we were being rushed in the Committee of the Whole. We could not even speak to the amendments that are being brought here.

It is hypocrisy for you to extend the sitting of the House, so that you can achieve your nefarious political ends. I issue a very stern warning to the Senate Majority Leader; he is abusing the rules of this House. When we want time to make meaningful contributions to specific legislations like we were doing in the Committee of the Whole, he was the one who was making sure that Members could not speak to the matters that are important to the constituency; the people who elected us. Now he is going to keep us here; I do not know what he wants us to do now. If I were on the Majority side---

Thank you, Senator. Sen. M. Kajwang’, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I raised that point to remind us of our solemn duty as lawmakers that legislation should never be rushed. I thank you for giving me this opportunity.

Clause 42B seeks to put restrictions on ownership. It says that a person shall not acquire more than one affordable housing unit developed under this Act. The question is whether this is an Act that is going to serve us for one, two or the next 100 years. What timeframe are we legislating on?

If you put it in law and cast it in stone that a person cannot acquire more than one affordable housing unit and we get to the point where the project becomes so successful that all Kenyans who wish to apply have done so and have been allocated housing units; are you going to shut down the scheme or come back to Parliament to amend it so that the next round of Kenyans can benefit?

We must be careful in the manner in which we legislate. We must also ensure whenever we make amendments at the Committee of the Whole stage; we should ask ourselves whether those amendments have been subjected to public participation. I know

Thank you, Sen. Sifuna.

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have not finished.

Sen. M. Kajwang’, if you could please summarize, so that we can get a response to that argument.

Services, Senate.

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

I had just allowed two minutes for each Member and you are done with yours.

Sen. Cheptumo, you have the Floor.

Sen. M. Kajwang’, we are in the Committee of the Whole.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, when you propose a question in the Committee of the Whole, all of us have a right to comment on it. That is why we are requesting that you slow down between proposing a question and putting it. Those are the rules of debate. Until Sen. Cheruiyot feels outwitted, it is what it is. These are the rules of the House.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have been sitting here. I came to this House to contribute to this Committee of the Whole debate. However, I am surprised that we were gagged and we could not make our contribution to this Bill.

Now the Senate Majority Leader wants us to finish this process this evening, I wonder why the hurry because we will still be here on Tuesday, next week, to pass this Bill.

In any case, this Bill with the amendments that have been proposed, will go into the Mediation Committee. So, why are we rushing through when in any case, it is going through the Mediation Committee? This is just fertile ground for opposition of this Bill in court.

Last but not least, Sen. Munyi Mundigi?

Sen. Sifuna spoke off record) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. Ninaunga mkono tuweze kupiga kura kwa sababu walio wachache wote wako hapa Bungeni leo. Ninamwona Katibu Mkuu, the Senate Minority Leader na hata Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Mazingira ambaye huwa haonekani hapa lakini, leo wote wamekuja ili waongee mambo ya makazi ya bei nafuu ili wasikike kule nje.

Naunga mkono ili tuweze kupiga kura tusaidie mwananchi wa Kenya kwa sababu Kaunti 47 zinahitaji nyumba.

Nilipoenda Colorado, North Carolina na kwengine kote niliona nyumba nzuri. Kaunti ambayo itakuwa na bahati sana ni ya rafiki yangu; Kaunti ya Nairobi City.

Kaunti ya Embu inataka nyumba na wakati ule mwingine, tunaomba kura---

I have allowed him to raise his point of order. Let him proceed. We will listen to him in silence. I am sure he will state the Standing Order he is on before he sits down.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, for protecting me. I take great exception to Sen. M. Kajwang's conduct. If it were another Senator, I would have assumed that probably he did not know the traditions of this House and what we do in Third Reading stage. Sen. M. Kajwang' is being cheeky. I watched him when he entered the Chamber and I heard him ask his colleagues why they were not filibustering. (Sen. Sifuna spoke off record) Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, please protect me. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate.

Hon. Senators, kindly do not direct the Chair. I am competent enough to run this House. I do not want any directions from any quarter.

(Laughter)

Sen. Sifuna, let him finish.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I am not in the mood to engage in a heckling debate. Please protect me. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee of the Whole in the said report. I request the Senator of Nyandarua County to second.

Sen. Methu, kindly proceed.

Kajwang' knows that in

Hon. Senators

Point of order! The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Hon. Senators, we need to conclude on Sen. M. Kajwang’s issue. Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of order?

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I would like your attention. I am drawing your attention to Standing Order No.185 on general application of rules in Committee of the Whole. Allow me to read it.

“Except as otherwise provided in these Standing Orders, the same rules of order and of debate for the conduct of business shall be observed in the Committee of the Whole as in the Senate.”

Services, Senate.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, therefore, nobody should rise to tell you that there are traditions. Traditions are only applied where there is no express provision of the Standing Orders. Sen. M. Kajwang' is within his right. I am surprised that somebody has told us many times that he is doing the third term in this House yet he has no idea which Standing Order he is referring to.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, when someone stands up on a point of order, you must insist on which Standing Order he is rising. I have read the Standing Orders of this House. We will not be threatened by claims of people that they have been here for 10 terms yet they cannot read simple English.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, allow us to debate in the normal fashion because that is what the law says. Do not be intimidated by anybody telling you that he was elected before your grandfather was born. We are all here now and are subject to the same rules. We must speak in accordance with the Constitution and the Standing Orders.

Nobody should tell us about traditions. The Standing Orders dictate the traditions of the House. I dare anybody else to stand up and read---

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I have said on this Floor that I have tremendous respect for Sen. Cheruiyot. He is a young Senator who has a bright future. However, shouting at us is not right. He needs to allow us to raise our points of order.

We are in this House because we derive our powers from the Constitution. Sen. Sifuna has referred to Standing Order No.185. I want us to bear in mind Article 124 (1) of the Constitution. It states that–

“Each House of Parliament may establish committees, and shall make Standing Orders for the orderly conduct of its proceedings, including the proceedings of its committees.”

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, the Standing Order that Sen. Sifuna has read has a bearing on what is happening. The same Standing Orders that allow us to raise issues

Sen. Omogeni

Services, Senate. when we are legislating flow from power that is donated to you by Article 124 of the Constitution.

It is high time some of us moved to court to challenge some of these Standing Orders that limit our right to make contributions on behalf of the people of Nyamira, Homa Bay, and Nairobi who have elected us---

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, please protect me from

Sen. Cherarkey. The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Cherarkey. The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Let us hear him in silence.

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, do not take this House back to where we were in Section 2A of the old Constitution. We are now operating under the Constitution of 2010. Sen. Cherarkey, there are Kenyans who died to put this Constitution in place. We have to remind you about the history--- (Loud consultations) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Order, hon. Senators! Sen. Omogeni, please conclude.

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, we are in this House by virtue of powers that are bestowed on us by the Constitution 2010. Under Article 124, you have no right to limit us. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Hon. Senators, these are the results of the fourth Division.

Sen. Omogeni

We are proceeding to the fifth Division on all Clauses.

Sen. Majority Leader and Sen. Osotsi, proceed and vote.

Okay, order! Let me give the rationale. I will explain myself. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate. Omogeni, Nyamira County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen. Sifuna, Nairobi County; and, Sen. Wambua, Kitui County.

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Veronica Maina): Hon. Senators, this is the results of the fifth Division

Sen. Abass, address the Chair.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the Senate its consideration of the Affordable Housing Bill (National Assembly Bill No.75 of 2023) , and its approval thereof with amendments.

Services, Senate.

We should take care of the interest of these people. These houses are meant for the poor people with low income. There is no way; you can buy 100 houses at the same time. Therefore, this clause justifies.

Clause 42 (b) limits one to owning only one house. (

Sen. Cheruiyot stood up in his place) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate.

The Senate Majority Leader, please sit down. (Sen. M. Kajwang’ stood up in his place) Sen. M. Kajwang’ sit down. Hon. Senators, I am not sure if Sen. M. Kajwang’ was in the House when I made a ruling about justification and any interventions in the House will be limited for two minutes. (Loud consultations) I made that ruling in this House. I gave him two minutes. Therefore, Sen. M. Kajwang’ as a way forward, we will listen to Sen. Abass then I will give you an opportunity, not more than two minutes to say what you have to say. Proceed, Sen. Abass.

Hon. Senators, let me explain myself. Clause 42 (b) is meant to safeguard people so that every Kenyan must have affordable housing.

Order, my friend! I am not addressing you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. For the correctness of the records of the voting, we have realised on this side that Sen. (Dr.) Murango has voted in this Division yet he is not in the Chamber and he does not have a delegation. How did that happen?

Sen. Abdul Haji):

Yes, Sen. Majority Leader.

Sen. Abass, address the Chair.

Okay. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I am trying to explain why we are limiting these houses to one person; for one individual, one house. For instance, you could have 100 wives, 10 to 20 children, but we are saying these houses are meant for the poor people and for the low-income earners. If we say that we are allowing everybody to buy what he wants, then everyone will not get what he wants. What we want is for those people to get what they want, so that these houses can be equally distributed. Consequently, that is the justification of this clause. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Let us have Sen. M. Kajwang’.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, that was exactly my problem with this provision. That we are legislating for poverty, not for prosperity. When I was making my submission, I was saying that after five to 10 years, everyone has a house. So, what are we going to put in the law that since Sen. Cheruiyot already has a house somewhere in Langata, and after ten years there are additional and excess houses, that will stop him from going for the second round? Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, that is poor legislative drafting and those are poor proposals that should not come in this law. Article 117 of the Constitution talks about Powers and Privileges of Parliament. It provides unfettered freedom of speech and expression. Those people who today want to limit my speech and expression, we shall wait for you and your day will come when someone will have to stand up for your right of expression and freedom of speech. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I believe because the two minutes are not over, that even after I have prosecuted my reservations on Clause 42 (b) , that all other Members with a contrary view must also be allowed to contribute because this is the only time when Senators can write laws. Finally, when I am here --- The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, when we get to the Third Reading of the Bill, the purpose is to bring any amendment that you feel was not captured in the Bill. By doing so, you can convince Members and then we subject it to the vote. Sen. M. Kajwang’ had all the opportunity during the Second Reading and the Third Reading to bring an amendment, which could have cured his problem. He could have an amendment that it should be open-ended, so that we bring it to the vote at the Third Reading. (Applause) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

The Mover, kindly proceed.

Services, Senate.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, just before I comment on this, I want to talk about my 10 years’ experience now that we talked about traditions in the National Assembly. On a matter which generates a lot of interest like this particular one, the Chairman will ordinarily allow as many as possible to comment so that out of that, Members could make a clear decision whether to amend further or to remain with the same position when we vote. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, my issue with this particular amendment is that one “may apply to the Board for approval of issuance of an affordable mortgage to develop a rural affordable housing unit.” (Loud Consultations) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Order, Hon. Senators. Take your seats. Sen. Munyi Mundigi and Senate Majority Whip, take your seats.

Take your seat, Sen. Cystal Asige. You will be sorted out.

Order, Senators! Senate Majority Leader, conclude that Kamkunji then we get the results. Take, your seat, kindly.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, this particular amendment begins to contradict the whole purpose of the housing. It goes on to create a situation whereby some people get more privileged than others. It creates discrimination, where you may enrich some people more than others. There should be a way of limiting to make sure if it is affordable housing; it is a unit for everyone across the board. If you have to do round two, then it balances. You do not begin round two when somebody else does not have a house yet and they are deserving. So, it is discriminatory. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I submit. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Services, Senate.

(Question, that the Affordable Housing Bill (National Assembly Bills No. 75 of 2023) be now read a Third Time put and the Senate proceeded to vote by County Delegations) AYES: Sen. Abass, Wajir County; Sen. Abdul Haji, Garissa County; Sen. Cheptumo, Baringo County; Sen. Cherarkey, Nandi County; Sen. Cheruiyot, Kericho County; Sen. Chesang, Trans Nzoia County; Sen. Chute, Marsabit County; Sen. Gataya, Tharaka Nithi County; Sen. Githuku, Lamu County; Sen. Joe Nyutu, Murang’a County; Sen. Kathuri, Meru County; Sen. Korir, Bomet County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Kakamega County; Sen. Kinyua, Laikipia County; Sen. Kisang, Elgeyo Marakwet County; Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, Samburu County; Sen. Lomenen, Turkana County; Sen. Mandago, Uasin Gishu County; Sen. Mariam Omar, Mandera County; Sen. Methu, Nyandarua County; Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. Seki, Kajiado County; Sen. Tabitha Keroche, Nakuru County; Sen. Thang’wa, Kiambu County; Sen. Wafula, Bungoma County; and, Sen. Wamatinga, Nyeri County.

NOES: Sen. Crystal Asige, Mombasa County; Sen. M. Kajwang’, Homa Bay County; Sen. Madzayo, Kilifi County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita Taveta County; Sen. Oketch Gicheru, Migori County; Sen. Olekina, Narok County; Sen. Omogeni, Nyamira County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen. Sifuna, Nairobi City County; and, Sen. Wambua, Kitui County.

Thank you, Senator. Senator Abbas, you have a comment.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson. I wish to withdraw that amendment to the Bill. (Applause) An hon. Member: On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Now, draw the Bars and open the Doors.

Hon. Senators, what are you doing? Why do you not listen? Hon. Senators, since Sen. Abbas has withdrawn the amendments, this matter will not be put to vote. It is that withdrawn. (Proposed Amendment by Sen. Abass withdrawn)

Services, Senate.Sen. M. Kajwang’, you have you have actually won the debate. New clause 42CThe Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Sen. Abbas, proceed to move.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by inserting the following new sections immediately after section 42 – Restrictions to owners of affordable housing unit.

42C. Except with the prior written consent of the Board, a purchaser of an affordable housing unit under this Act shall not by contract, agreement or otherwise, sell or agree to sell his or her unit or any interest therein to any other person.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Sen. Sifuna, what is your intervention?

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, you should ordinarily allow us to make points of order. (Loud consultations) I have been given the microphone. This is disorderly conduct by the Senate Majority Leader. There is a reason I am rising on my feet, pursuant to Standing Order No.121. I have seen the Senate Majority Leader essentially throw a tantrum and smack the desks with his documents there. Yet he has the audacity to accuse me of being disorderly. You have thrown a tantrum. You are doing it again. (Loud consultations) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Order, Sen. Orwoba!

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, there is only one opportunity for you to have order in this House; that is enforcement of the rules equally.

If it were anybody on the minority side who was throwing the tantrum that I have seen the Senate Majority Leader do, he would have been thrown out of the House. Why is he being treated specially?

Services, Senate.I want a ruling on each point of order that we raised because we must have a record of how this House treats people and how you apply the rules.Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. Please do not pretend you did not see it. I know you are a good man. You have seen it and you must bear true witness.The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Seen what?

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, the tantrum that--- The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

No, I did not see.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I saw you seeing it. Do not be like that. We are in the holy month of Ramadhan. Please tell the truth. (Loud Consultations) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Senators, bear with us a minute. We need to clear this screen so that we can have some order. If you have your button red, just switch it off. I will tell you when to switch it on. For intervention on New Clause 42C, press now.

How many people each side? The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

I will give two people. I will allow two interventions from both sides. On the Minority side, we will have Sen. Wambua and Sen. Omogeni. On the Majority side, we will have Sen. Cherarkey and the Chairperson of the Committee. Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, on that proposed amendment 42 (C) I totally and completely oppose it. Yes, we will do that but it is an amendment that goes contrary to the Constitution on property rights. The law itself has been declared by the courts to be unconstitutional. Then, you are bringing an amendment that is completely unconstitutional. On this one, I strongly and totally oppose. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Thank you. Sen. Cherarkey, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Cherarkey

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, what we are trying to cure on this New Clause 42 (C) is what we saw in the National Housing Cooperation (NHC) a few years back where the intended beneficiaries ended up not being the intended.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, in the principle of equity, equality, morality and the law, we must ensure that we cushion against people being given houses through the affordable programme, then they resale those houses through the cartels that are in the NHC.

I support this New Clause 42 (c) . We shall not be lectured. If you want to be lectured, you can go to the University of Nairobi during public lectures. I support this clause because it will promote equity, equality and fairness in terms of access.

Finally, we need to protect the people who are beneficiaries of this programme.

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, Sen. Cherarkey is my colleague. I know he is new in the profession, but there are some basic concepts in constitutionalism that Sen. Cherarkey should know.

Sen. Omogeni

Services, Senate.

Remember, the law that we want to enact will give Kenyans an opportunity to purchase houses. We are not going to give these houses to Kenyans for free. So, the moment you are taxed and you are given an opportunity to purchase, that becomes your property.

Sen. Cherarkey, through the Chair, if you never went to law school to study constitutional law, I will read for you Article 40 of the Constitution. I am trying to help you. This is what Article 40 states.

Sen. Omogeni

Now, I am trying to help you on this one. (Loud consultations) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Senate Majority Leader, order!

Sen. Omogeni

You should throw Sen. Cherarkey out. This is not for anybody else, but for Sen. Cherarkey. Let him sit attentively and listen. Article 40 (2) on protection of the right to property says: “Parliament shall not enact a law---” The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Thank you, Senator. (Question of the New Clause 42C proposed) (New Clause 42C read a First Time) (Question, that New Clause 42C be read a Second Time proposed) Division will be at the end. The First Schedule The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing, you may proceed. (Loud consultations) Order, Senators! The Senate Majority Leader, you are wasting the most time now. (Sen. Sifuna spoke off record)

Sen. Omogeni

Services, Senate.

Sen. Sifuna, you cannot be exchanging words, let us hear from the Chairperson.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Sir. I beg to move- THAT the First Schedule of the Bill be amended—

Sen. Omogeni

Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT the Third Schedule of the Bill be amended by deleting paragraphs 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

The justification is that if you read the Third Schedule, the heading states the list of agencies for implementing the affordable housing programmes and projects. That amendment proposes to leave the county governments as the sole agents that will undertake housing programmes and projects.

The justification is that under the Fourth Schedule, Part 2, Section 8 of the Constitution, housing and development is a function of county governments. Therefore, it will be unconstitutional to allow the agencies listed in number 2, 3 and 4, which is the one that I had most concern about, that is the State Department for matters relating to

Sen. Omogeni

Services, Senate. affordable housing. That will be going outside the constitutional mandate of policy that is reserved for national Government, the NSSF as an independent entity that cannot take over functions of county governments.Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I propose that all those bodies listed from 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 be deleted.On Clause 2 of the same Schedule, we seek to delete the reference to institutional housing.I want to make a correction. I referred to the Sixth Schedule in all references I have made in my amendments initially; it should actually be the Fourth Schedule of the Constitution.I thank you. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Division will be at the end. There is a further amendment by the Chairperson Standing Committee on Roads, Transport and Housing.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT the Third Schedule of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraphs immediately in paragraph 5— 5A. National Construction Authority. 5B. State Department responsible for matters relating to Public Works. We believe counties are agencies that are supposed to handle this work so, we are increasing more agencies to that part. In Clause 2, this amendment seeks to remove the description of plinth area from the substantive legislation in favour of having the same defined under regulation. Also, the amendment seeks to define the term county committee. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Sen. Maanzo, one minute.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, when we make law, it must first go with the Constitution and then the Statute. The moment you fundamentally amend the original part of the Bill, even though we stand for devolution, and housing should be fully devolved, what the Chairperson has introduced, tend to reverse what had already been passed. It is important, therefore, that they flow with the Constitution. This is not flowing and the amendment becomes automatically unconstitutional. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I conclude. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji) :
Sen. Abdul Haji) :

Sen. Sifuna. I am following the screen. You said you will intervene. (Sen. Sifuna spoke off record)

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, with all due respect, I know it is causing some irritation to Sen. Cheruiyot when we do the jobs we were elected to do. I do

Services, Senate. not know why they are in a rush. They should allow us to speak to the amendments that are being proposed.

I support the amendment that has been proposed by Sen. Omogeni. You can see---

Let him say what he wants to say. Let me sit down and listen. Say what you want to say. This is not your House.

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, it will be difficult for you and for this House, if the management of who speaks and who does not is directed by Sen. Cheruiyot.

I fully support the amendment proposed by Sen. Omogeni that the units of national Government that have been put in this housing programme be deleted and we retain the county governments. Our responsibility as the Senate is to protect the interests of counties and county governments and devolution.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, it is not our work to claw back on devolution by introducing national Government agencies in functions that are supposed to be devolved. That is what we are saying.

I thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, a motorcycle is defined by two attributes. It has an engine and two wheels. The minute you come up with a motorcycle Bill like what Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has come up with, then you alter the definition of the motorcycle and remove the engine from it; leaving it only two wheels, then that is no longer a motorcycle. That is the mischief that Sen. Thang’wa is introducing here. We are dealing with the Affordable Housing Bill and we are changing the definition of affordable housing at this point, after subjecting it to public participation. That is unconstitutional because one cannot alter materially the substance of a Bill at this point, in time.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I wish that Sen. Thang’wa can gracefully withdraw that amendment. This is because we cannot be deleting the plinth and only maintaining the income status.

Services, Senate.The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Thank you, Senators. (Question of the amendment proposed) Division will be at the end. Clause 2The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Abdul Haji):
Sen. Abdul Haji):

Clause 2 has two amendments, but they are not conflicting. Proceed, Sen. Omogeni--- Okay, let us start with the amendment by the Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing. We will have to drop the amendment by Sen. Omogeni.(Applause) (Proposed amendment by Sen. Omogeni dropped)

Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir. I beg to move-

THAT Clause 2 of the Bill be amended—

Services, Senate.

Proceed, Sen. Maanzo.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, my contribution is brief. That there must be consistency. The whole idea is devolution. Housing is a devolved function. Therefore, the moment you introduce an element that takes it back to a national function, it becomes unconstitutional. I oppose. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina) :
Sen. Veronica Maina) :

Sen. Cherarkey, you only have a minute.

Sen. Cherarkey

Madam Temporary Chairperson, when you look at the Fourth and Third Schedules of the Constitution in devolved and national Government functions, it is cross-cutting. Therefore, it is a misnomer to say housing is fully devolved yet when it comes to policy and implementation, it is cost-shared between both the national and county governments.

The Committee is in order. I support.

Sen. Veronica Maina

Division will be at the end. Title The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina) :
Sen. Veronica Maina) :

I invite the Chairperson Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing to move this amendment.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I wish to withdraw that amendment. (Proposed amendment withdrawn) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina) :
Sen. Veronica Maina) :

That has been withdrawn; there is no need to proceed. (Question, that the Title be part of the Bill, proposed) Division will be at the end. Clause 1

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Chairperson. Having dropped the Title, I wish to also withdraw this amendment.

Services, Senate.

Sen. Omogeni

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I must seek your discretion and allow me to move the amendment on Clause 2 under Standing Order No.1. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina) :
Sen. Veronica Maina) :

Are you withdrawing it?

Sen. Omogeni

No, I am moving the amendment. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina) :
Sen. Veronica Maina) :

Proceed.

Sen. Omogeni

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by deleting the definition of the word “institutional housing” The justification is to remove the definition of the words institutional housing to align it with my other proposed amendments in the Bill. Thank you, Madam Temporary Chairperson. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina) :
Sen. Veronica Maina) :

So, you have brought back the amendment?

Sen. Omogeni

Yes, I have now brought back the amendment. That is Clause 2 of the Third Schedule. (Question of amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina) :
Sen. Veronica Maina) :

Division will be at the end. I now ask the Mover to report progress.

PROGRESS REPORTED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.75 OF 2023)

Madam Temporary Chairperson, pursuant to Standing Order No.153, I beg to move that the Committee of the Whole do report the progress on its consideration of the Affordable Housing Bill (National Assembly Bills No.75 of 2023) and seek leave to sit again today.

[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair]

Services, Senate.

Hon. Members, please have your seats. Sen. Madzayo and Sen. Tabitha Keroche, let us transact business.

What is your point of order, Senate Majority Leader?

PROCEDURAL MOTION

EXTENSION OF SITTING TIME

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.34 (4) (a) to move that the House extends its sitting time until conclusion of the Order No.10 on the Order Paper.

I request the Senate Deputy Majority Whip to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Hon. Senators, what is the mood of the House?

Let me give two Members from each side an opportunity to comment. I start with Sen. Sifuna.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it has become a habit every time there is a matter such as this, instead of allowing more debate on the matters that are before the House, you would see how we were being rushed in the Committee of the Whole. We could not even speak to the amendments that are being brought here.

It is hypocrisy for you to extend the sitting of the House, so that you can achieve your nefarious political ends. I issue a very stern warning to the Senate Majority Leader; he is abusing the rules of this House. When we want time to make meaningful contributions to specific legislations like we were doing in the Committee of the Whole, he was the one who was making sure that Members could not speak to the matters that are important to the constituency; the people who elected us. Now he is going to keep us here; I do not know what he wants us to do now. If I were on the Majority side---

Sen. Sifuna, you cannot file that question direct to him. Just file it through me and then I will make the determination.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not trust you as a conduit for the messages that I want to transmit. I would rather he hears directly from me.

Thank you, Sen. Sifuna.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have not finished.

Services, Senate.

I had just allowed two minutes for each Member and you are done with yours.

Sen. Cheptumo, you have the Floor.

Sen. Cheptumo

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if you look at the demeanor of Sen. Sifuna, he is supporting the extension of the House. At some point, he was smiling. That is my opinion. I may be wrong, but that is my opinion. He is my friend, anyway.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a justifiable reason why the Senate Majority Leader sought an extension. We are done with the Committee of the Whole and what is remaining is a small part of this process.

It is only fair that we allow a small extension so that we sort out this. It is not out of order; it is prudence in good faith for this House.

Actually, I am giving Members who have not spoken this afternoon an opportunity.

Sen. Osotsi, you have the Floor.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have been sitting here. I came to this House to contribute to this Committee of the Whole debate. However, I am surprised that we were gagged and we could not make our contribution to this Bill.

Now the Senate Majority Leader wants us to finish this process this evening, I wonder why the hurry because we will still be here on Tuesday, next week, to pass this Bill.

In any case, this Bill with the amendments that have been proposed, will go into the Mediation Committee. So, why are we rushing through when in any case, it is going through the Mediation Committee? This is just fertile ground for opposition of this Bill in court.

Last but not least, Sen. Munyi Mundigi?

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. Ninaunga mkono tuweze kupiga kura kwa sababu walio wachache wote wako hapa Bungeni leo. Ninamwona Katibu Mkuu, the Senate Minority Leader na hata Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Mazingira ambaye huwa haonekani hapa lakini, leo wote wamekuja ili waongee mambo ya makazi ya bei nafuu ili wasikike kule nje.

Naunga mkono ili tuweze kupiga kura tusaidie mwananchi wa Kenya kwa sababu Kaunti 47 zinahitaji nyumba.

Nilipoenda Colorado, North Carolina na kwengine kote niliona nyumba nzuri. Kaunti ambayo itakuwa na bahati sana ni ya rafiki yangu; Kaunti ya Nairobi City.

Kaunti ya Embu inataka nyumba na wakati ule mwingine, tunaomba kura---

Your time is over, Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

Services, Senate.

Hon. Senators, kindly do not direct the Chair. I am competent enough to run this House. I do not want any directions from any quarter.

(Laughter)

Sen. Veronica Maina

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Affordable Housing Bill, (National Assembly Bills No.75 of 2023) and seeks leave to sit again today.

I call up on the Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee of the Whole in the said report. I request the Senator of Nyandarua County to second.

Sen. Methu, kindly proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Let us move on to the next Order.

COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

IN THE COMMITTEE

THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.75 OF 2023)

Services, Senate.

Hon. Senators, we can now settle down so that we can move into Division. Serjeant-at-Arms, you may close the Doors and draw the Bar.

DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

Services, Senate. Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, Samburu County; Sen. Lomenen, Turkana County; Sen. Mandago, Uasin Gishu County; Sen. Mariam Omar; Mandera County; Sen. Methu, Nyandarua County; Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. Seki, Kajiado County; Sen. Tabitha Keroche, Nakuru County; Sen. Thang’wa, Kiambu County; Sen. Wafula, Bungoma County; and, Sen. Wamatinga, Nyeri County;The Temporary chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina):
Sen. Veronica Maina):

Hon. Senators, these are the results for the Division:

AYES: 11 NOES: 27 ABSTENTIONS: 0

DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

Services, Senate.The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina):
Sen. Veronica Maina):

Hon. Senators, these are the results of that Division on New Clauses.

AYES: 27 NOES: 11 ABSENTIONS: 0

DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

Services, Senate. Thang’wa, Kiambu County; Sen. Wafula, Bungoma County; and, Sen. Wamatinga, Nyeri County.The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina):
Sen. Veronica Maina):

Hon. Senators, these are the results of the third Division.

AYES: 9 NOES: 28 ABSTENTIONS: 0

DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

Services, Senate.

Sen. Veronica Maina

Hon. Senators, these are the results of the fourth Division.

AYES: 27 NOES: 11 ABSENTIONS: 0

Sen. Veronica Maina

We are proceeding to the fifth Division on all Clauses.

Sen. Majority Leader and Sen. Osotsi, proceed and vote.

DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

Sen. Veronica Maina

Services, Senate. Omogeni, Nyamira County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen. Sifuna, Nairobi County; and, Sen. Wambua, Kitui County.The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Veronica Maina):
Sen. Veronica Maina):

Hon. Senators, this is the results of the fifth Division

AYES: 27 NOES: 11 ABSTENTION: 0

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the Senate its consideration of the Affordable Housing Bill (National Assembly Bill No.75 of 2023) , and its approval thereof with amendments.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, I beg to report that the Committee considered the Affordable Housing Bill (National Assembly Bills No.75 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.(Question put and agreed to)The Temporary Chairperson(

Sen. Veronica Maina):
Sen. Veronica Maina):

You can now draw the Bars and open the Doors.(The Bars were drawn and Doors opened)(The House resumed)[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair]

Hon. Senators, we are going to the final voting.

Draw the Bar and close the Doors.

Services, Senate.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir:

A point of order on what now, even before we begin transacting business?

Sen. Wambua, what is your point of order?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. For the correctness of the records of the voting, we have realised on this side that Sen. (Dr.) Murango has voted in this Division yet he is not in the Chamber and he does not have a delegation. How did that happen?

Yes, Sen. Majority Leader.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on this side, we equally noted that on the fourth Division, Sen. Faki, the Senator for Mombasa County was not in the House and his vote has been recorded. We need that to be checked as well.

Hon. Senators, this is a very simple matter and it is provided for in our Standing Orders. Anything that is provided for in our Standing Orders should not bring any problem in this House.

If you go to Standing Order No.90, and I read verbatim- “If, after an electronic or a roll call vote has been made, it is discovered that the number has been inaccurately reported or that an error has occurred in the names on the division lists, that fact shall be reported to the Senate and the Speaker shall direct that the necessary correction be made.”

I now direct that the necessary correction should be made on those two Senators who have voted and yet are not in this House.

I now call upon the Chairperson to report.

CONSIDERATION OF REPORT AND THIRD READING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY NO.75 OF 2023)

Sen. Veronica Maina

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Affordable Housing Bill (National Assembly Bills No.75 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request the Senator for Nyandarua to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Services, Senate.

The Mover, kindly proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Affordable Housing Bill (National Assembly Bills No.75 of 2023) be now a Third Time.

I request the Deputy Senate Majority Leader to second.

Sen. Tabitha Keroche

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Hon. Senators, we shall now proceed to Division. Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Division Bell for two minutes.

Hon. Senators, I assure that this House will remain a House of debate and nobody will be stifled. Therefore, withdraw your cards. We do not want the same mistake to repeat itself. The Serjeant-at-Arms, ensure that no card is unattended.

I want a confirmation from the Serjeant-at-Arms, that there are no unattended cards. I will vote manually. Log in and proceed to vote.

Order, Hon. Senators. Take your seats. Sen. Munyi Mundigi and Senate Majority Whip, take your seats.

Take your seat, Sen. Cystal Asige. You will be sorted out.

Order, Senators! Senate Majority Leader, conclude that Kamkunji then we get the results. Take, your seat, kindly.

THIRD READING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 75 OF 2023) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

Services, Senate.

(Question, that the Affordable Housing Bill (National Assembly Bills No. 75 of 2023) be now read a Third Time put and the Senate proceeded to vote by County Delegations) AYES: Sen. Abass, Wajir County; Sen. Abdul Haji, Garissa County; Sen. Cheptumo, Baringo County; Sen. Cherarkey, Nandi County; Sen. Cheruiyot, Kericho County; Sen. Chesang, Trans Nzoia County; Sen. Chute, Marsabit County; Sen. Gataya, Tharaka Nithi County; Sen. Githuku, Lamu County; Sen. Joe Nyutu, Murang’a County; Sen. Kathuri, Meru County; Sen. Korir, Bomet County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Kakamega County; Sen. Kinyua, Laikipia County; Sen. Kisang, Elgeyo Marakwet County; Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, Samburu County; Sen. Lomenen, Turkana County; Sen. Mandago, Uasin Gishu County; Sen. Mariam Omar, Mandera County; Sen. Methu, Nyandarua County; Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. Seki, Kajiado County; Sen. Tabitha Keroche, Nakuru County; Sen. Thang’wa, Kiambu County; Sen. Wafula, Bungoma County; and, Sen. Wamatinga, Nyeri County.

NOES: Sen. Crystal Asige, Mombasa County; Sen. M. Kajwang’, Homa Bay County; Sen. Madzayo, Kilifi County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita Taveta County; Sen. Oketch Gicheru, Migori County; Sen. Olekina, Narok County; Sen. Omogeni, Nyamira County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen. Sifuna, Nairobi City County; and, Sen. Wambua, Kitui County.

Hon. Senators, the results for the Division are as follows:

AYES: 27 NOES: 10 ABSTENTIONS: Nil

Now, draw the Bars and open the Doors.

ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, having concluded business in Order No.10 and the time being 6.55 p.m., it is time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow Wednesday 13th March, 2024 at 9.00 a.m.

The Senate rose at 6.55 p.m.