Thursday, 26th April 2018

Hon. Members, before I order for the bell to be rung, I want to see the Members that are getting in. Can you confirm if we have the required numbers? I think if we do so, business will begin.

Under that particular Order, I see two petitions. Let us start with Hon. Joseph Manje.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me this chance. I, the undersigned, on behalf of the residents of Kajiado North Constituency, draw the attention of the House to the following:

THAT, Chapter Five of the Constitution on Land and Environment, specifically Article 60 (1) , provides that Land in Kenya shall be held, used and managed in a manner that is equitable, efficient, productive and sustainable and in accordance with certain principles, inter alia, security of land rights;

THAT, Section 111 of the Land Act, 2012, envisages that if land is acquired compulsorily, just compensation shall be paid promptly in full to all persons whose interests in the land have been determined;

THAT, in March 2018, the Lands Ministry provided comparable rates for land transactions on parcels of land affected by the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) citing a land value survey undertaken by the Ministry along the SGR Phase II (A) Corridor, which the National Land Commission was to adhere to;

THAT, it is alleged that the comparable rates provided by the Ministry were inconsistent, bearing in mind the fact that the rates of the values of land provided for Kandisi and Ngong areas are largely divergent despite the close proximity between the two settlement areas;

THAT, the comparable rates provided by the Ministry undervalued the land in Ilmerijo and Olkeri areas;

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THAT, the comparable rates provided by the Ministry have demonstrated inconsistency with the value of recent land transactions that have been undertaken in certain areas within the constituency;

FURTHER THAT, efforts to persuade the relevant authorities to review the rates have borne no fruit;

THAT, the matter presented in this Petition is not pending before any tribunal or court of law.

Therefore, your humble Petitioners pray that the National Assembly, through the Departmental Committee on Lands –

Hon. Manje, you have proceeded to debate after stating the Petition. Let me give an opportunity to two Members to speak on this one. I want those who want to speak to it to press the intervention button. Let us start with Hon. Maanzo.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I support Hon. Manje’s Petition. In Makueni, we had a similar experience when the railway was being constructed through the constituency. Currently, we have Thwake Dam where land owners are being compensated. There are serious challenges. As much as Hon. Manje would want it to be done next week, we first need to confirm that the money is in the Budget through the relevant Ministry. It is the relevant Ministry which works with the National Land Commission.

There have been challenges of different nature, including corruption in compensation. Some people have been compensated for land which does not belong to them. Eventually, it ends up being a court case, which delays the process. I support the Petition and request Parliament to give direction on this matter so that the people who have not been compensated can receive their compensation within the law and in the right ways.

I do not see any other Member who is interested. I asked anyone who was interested to press the intervention button.

That being the case, let us move to the next Order.

Let us have the Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation. We will have Hon. Murugara for that particular one. Are you the one laying the paper or is it Hon. Fatuma? You have the Floor.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House:

The Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation on its consideration of the Community Land Regulations, 2017.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give Notice of the following Motion:

THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation on its consideration of the Community Land Regulations, 2017, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 26th April 2018, and pursuant to the provisions of Section 15 (1) of the Statutory Instruments Act and Standing Order No.210 (4) (b) , annuls regulations 23 and 24 of the said Regulations.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I wish to issue the following Statement, on behalf of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research.

Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe had sought a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research, pursuant to Standing Order No.44 (2) on denial of access to the Kenya National Examinations Council (KNEC) offices in Nairobi, and more specifically on the manner in which Hon. Bernard Shinali, Member for Ikolomani and Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe, Member for Navakholo, were handled at the KNEC offices along Dennis Pritt Road in Nairobi.

The Members were denied access to those offices on Wednesday, 28th March 2018. The Members had gone to seek for a meeting with the CEO and the Chairperson of KNEC to deliberate and resolve the issue of cancellation of the 2017 examination results for Chebuyusi Boys’ High School, where 190 students were affected.

I wish to report that the Principal Secretary in the State Department of Early Learning and Basic Education in the Ministry of Education, accompanied by the acting CEO of the KNEC, appeared before the Committee on Thursday, 19th April, 2018 and responded to the statement sought by Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe. I, as the Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research, had undertaken to apprise the House on the matter on or before 24th April 2018. I was ready.

During the meeting, the Committee made the following observations:

Let us have Hon. Cheptumo.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I wish to seek leave of the House for extension of time within which the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs will table a report in respect of the Parliamentary Service Bill, 2018. This Bill was read the First Time on 13th March 2018 and committed to the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.216 (5) (c) so that it can go through public participation, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.127 (1) . The Committee was to consider the Bill and submit a report to the House on or before 3rd February 2018, but it requested for a 21-day extension of time which was granted on 3rd April. The extension period was to lapse yesterday, 25th April 2018. Yesterday, we wrote to you seeking extension of time and you approved that request.

In the course of public participation, the Committee received memoranda from stakeholders with some proposing weighty amendments to the Bill. Having engaged a few of the stakeholders, the Committee is certain that it requires more time to extensively engage other stakeholders so as to pronounce itself on the Bill from an informed position. In view of the foregoing, the Committee is not in a position to submit its report and wishes to request for a further extension of time. Considering that the House will be proceeding for the long recess from 4th May 2018 to 4th June, 2018, the Committee intends to make good use of the recess period to scrutinise the Bill and, therefore, humbly requests the House to approve its tabling of the report any time after the recess.

That is the basis of the request, that we be given more time so that during the recess, we can have time to scrutinise the Bill, engage other stakeholders and finally file our report.

Very well. Let us proceed to the next one. Hon. Teddy Mwambire.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I wish to make a Statement regarding the demise of Hon. Joseph Kahindi Kingi. The late Hon. Kingi, a former Member for Ganze Constituency, passed away on Tuesday morning, 24th April 2018 while undergoing treatment in India.

Just a minute. What is it, Leader of the Majority Party?

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Hon. Deputy Speaker, the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs has asked for an extension, through you. So, before we move to the next Statement, you were to make a decision if you have granted him or not

I had approved that yesterday. I think the Chair wanted to put it to the House so that the House is aware. We consented to it yesterday.

Okay, proceed Hon. Mwambire.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I wish to make a Statement regarding the demise of Hon. Joseph Kahindi Kingi.

Hon. Kingi, a former Member for Ganze Constituency died on Tuesday morning, 24th April 2018 while undergoing treatment in India.

Hon. Kingi was born on 15th July 1954 in Ganze, Kilifi County. He attended Bamba Primary School and Ribe Secondary School for his O- Level studies before joining Siriba Technical College where he trained as a P1 teacher. He taught in various primary schools in Taita Taveta County from 1974 to 1981.

The late Hon. Kingi was a vibrant labour unionist having been elected as the Secretary General of the Kenya National Union of Teachers (KNUT) , Kilifi Branch, from 1986-2002 and further as a KNUT Provincial Secretary-General from 1999-2002. The late Hon. Kingi served as a Member of Parliament for Ganze Constituency from 2003 to 2007 and was an active Member of various House committees including the Public Investments Committee (PIC) . The late Kingi was appointed to the Cabinet as an Assistant Minister for Internal Security and Provincial Administration, a position he served in 2006 /2007. Thereafter, he served as the Chairman of the Kenya Ferry Services and later as the Board Member for the Coast Water Services Board.

On behalf of the Members of the National Assembly, the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) and on my own behalf, I wish to convey our condolences to the family, friends and the great people of Ganze Constituency for the great loss.

As the National Assembly, we assure the family of our support during this period of grief. In honour of the exemplary and illustrious service rendered to the nation and the society by Hon. late Kingi and with our indulgence, I request that we all stand and observe a minute of silence.

You have done three things that you are not supposed to do. First, you have passed your condolences on behalf of the National Assembly, which you should not because that is the preserve of the Hon. Speaker or his designated appointee. You have also given another condolence on behalf of the PSC, which you probably are not a Member of.

Lastly, you have also asked Members to stand and observe one minute of silence, a power which you do not have. However, I agree with you that this is very serious and I understand because this is a person you probably have served closely being your constituent, and you having a seat which he had served at one point. So, I understand the difficulties you are

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Ordinarily, we observe a minute of silence mostly for Members who are serving. So, in this particular one, the condolences would suffice. I served with him and I know him personally, but I ask the Members who will make it to the burial to do so. If there are other issues, they can coordinate with the Member of that constituency.

So, I want to send condolences on behalf of the National Assembly. I will give a chance to two Members because we are short of time. I will be looking for the Members who served with him as much as possible. I will take those one on the intervention slot, but I can see Hon. Olago Aluoch. Do you want to speak to this one or you were on something else?

What you have spoken about, just a clarification to Member, that in addition to your condolences, there will be a condolence book at the main reception.

That is well said. Hon. Jimmy Nuru Angwenyi. I know he served with the late Hon. Kingi.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Mine is to send my condolences and those of my people to the family and friends of the late Hon. Kingi. He was a great man. He served with me in Parliament and he was very active. Of course, I was more active than him, but he was active as a result of which he was appointed Assistant Minister and he performed very well. May God rest his soul in eternal peace.

Do I see any Member from his neighbourhood? Let me have Hon. Baya Yaa.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I represent the neighbouring constituency in Kilifi North. We border Ganze. I knew Hon. Kingi as a vibrant trade unionist and a teacher who for many years fought for the teachers of Kilifi and the country generally. He set a very good platform for development in Ganze Constituency.

Suffice to say that when he served as an Assistant Minister in the Office of the President during the former President Kibaki’s time, he advanced the course of the Coast in a very big way. During that time, Coast had the opportunity of having ambassadors being appointed especially from Kilifi. Very many people were also appointed as District Commissioners (DCs) and District Officers (DOs) . So, we cannot forget the good things he did. So, on behalf of the residents of Kilifi North Constituency and Kilifi County, I would like to pass my sincere condolences to the family, friends and relatives of the late Hon. Kingi. Thank you.

May be one more Member. Hon. Maanzo has already spoken. Hon. (Dr.) Gogo Achieng, do you want to speak to this one? Okay, we will have the Leader of the Majority Party to present his papers as we consult on something here.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give a Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee

The Committee met this week at the rise of the House to give priority to business for this week and the remaining part of next week. As Members are aware, Tuesday 1st May 2018 is a public holiday. In this regard, no business was scheduled for that day. Yesterday, the House

A approved a Procedural Motion on the alteration of sittings as per the Calendar. As such, there shall be a Morning Sitting on Thursday, next week, on 3rd May, 2018. However, on Wednesday afternoon, there shall be a Joint Sitting of both Houses of Parliament for the State of the Nation Address by His Excellency the President in accordance with Article 132(1)(b) and (c) of the Constitution.

Also, the Morning Sitting on Wednesday for Private Members’ Motions will not take place as per the Procedural Motion that we passed yesterday.

On Thursday morning, it is anticipated that the House shall consider the First and Second Readings of the Supplementary Appropriations Bill, 2018 subject to the adoption of the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the consideration of the Supplementary Estimates II of the Year 2017/2018. We shall commence debate on the Presidential Address on the same day. On Thursday afternoon, we shall consider the Committee of the whole House and the Third Reading of the Supplementary Appropriations Bill, 2018 and continue with the debate on the Presidential Address as contemplated under Standing Order No.24. Thereafter, in accordance with the Calendar of the House, we will proceed on a long recess until 5th June 2018.

I now wish to lay this Statement on the Table of the House.

Very well. Before we go to the next Order, there is a document we are consulting on and when we agree on it, we will disposal it in one way or another.

Next Order!

On this, we will do two things, but the second one will be a consequence of the first one if it goes through. First, is to put the Question on the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House to be amended by inserting the following words, “subject to recommital of Clause 23 and New Clauses16s.”

Sorry, I have said 16s with an “s” at the end. Hon. Members, there is a series of New Clause16. Just a minute, Hon. Members, we are having an issue here, but do not worry, this has nothing to do with petroleum. It is the Computer and Cybercrimes Bill.

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

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What is it, Leader of the Majority Party? I can see an expression on your face that is not ordinary.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, you know this Bill is very important. So, we are recommitting New Clause 16 in totality from A to F. You know we come from different communities with different phonetics, but you have made it very clear.

Just to be very clear, it is the entire New Clause 16, because there are several bits in there. I think that should settle the Leader of the Majority Party’s concern and the rest. Therefore, we will go to the Committee of the whole House.

Order Members! We are now in the Committee of the whole House to consider the Computer and Cybercrimes Bill (National Assembly Bill No.36 of 2017) . We will start with Clause 23, which is a recommital. Clause 23

The Leader of the Majority Party.

THAT, Clause 23 of the Bill be further amended by inserting the following new sub clause immediately after Sub Clause 4) -

I can see Osotsi Godfrey.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I think the amendment as proposed by the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security is very retrogressive. I propose that…

Hon. Member, for your record, the amendment is by the Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Duale.

My proposal is about Clause 23 of the Bill.

Order Members! Let him speak, you know how we go about the business of the House.

I was looking at Clause 23 of the Bill and the amendments proposed by the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation are making an improvement to this section. However, the other amendments seem to lose meaning of this clause. For example, the issue of complexity of technology in Clause 23 (3) has been left out. The issue of technical assistance in matters of seizure…

Hon. Osotsi, I can remember some amendments were dropped in the morning. Let us have the Chair, Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I want to inform the Member that all the amendments I had brought are retained. What we are discussing now is recommital of Clause 23. As you can remember what happened in the morning, we wanted to drop this clause.

New Clause 16A

We have three new clauses. We are going to start with first new clause. Let have the Mover, Hon. Koinange, to move the clause for Second Reading. We will do one by one. We wanted to do one by one so that the House is clear with what they are passing.

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THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clauses immediately after clause 16— Cyber terrorism. No.30 of 2012. 16A. (1)A person who accesses or causes to be accessed a computer or computer system or network for purposes of terrorism, commits an offence and shall on conviction, be liable to a fine not exceeding five million shillings or to imprisonment for a term note exceeding ten years, or to both..

THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clauses immediately after clause 16— Cyber squatting 16A. A person who, intentionally takes or makes use of a name, business name, trademark, domain name or other word or phrase registered, owned or in use by another person on the internet or any other computer network, without authority or right, commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or both. Wrongful distribution of intimate images. 16B. A person who transfers, publishes,or disseminates, including making a digital depiction

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available for distribution or downloading through a telecommunications network or through any other means of transferring data to a computer, the intimate image of another person commits an offence and is liable, on conviction to a fine not exceeding three hundred thousand shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding thirty years or to both. Identity theft and impersonation. 16C. A person who fraudulently or dishonestly makes use of the electronic signature, password or any other unique identification feature of any other person commits an offence and is liable, on conviction, to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years or both. Phishing. 16D. A person who creates or operates a website or sends a message through a computer system with the intention to induce the user of a website or the recipient of the message to disclose personal information for an unlawful purpose or to gain unauthorised access to a computer system, commits an offence and is liable upon conviction to a fine not exceeding three hundred thousand shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years or both. Interception of electronic messages or money transfers. 16E. A person who unlawfully destroys or aborts any electronic mail or processes through which money or information is being conveyed commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding seven years or to both. Willful misdirection of electronic messages. 16F. A person who willfully misdirects electronic messages commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding one hundred thousand shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to both. Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, these are new clauses to enhance the penalties that we have introduced to the Bill.

Yes, Hon. Musimba.

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Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. There is one thing which we have agreed. These are all new offences which are being added. So, we will leave the numbering of A, B, C, D, E to be done by the Clerk’s Office for polishing, but they are all distinct offences. There should be no confusion when they are saying we are amending 16A to 16I or A, B, C, D, E. So, that is the substantive amendment which we are making but all the offences by the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation and the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security and I are all new offences which we all agree upon. I just wanted your guidance.

So, Hon. Musimba, are you saying you are in agreement. Are you dropping yours?

No, I am not dropping. All of them are new. I am in support of the amendments but I was talking about the consolidating work which has to be done by the Clerk’s Office.

Hon. Musimba, even as you and other Chairs concur, if you notice New Clause 16B of the Committee is almost the same but slightly different from your Clause 16D. So, that is why you agree. One has to be dropped.

We had said these are all new clauses. What Hon. Musimba and Hon. Koinange have brought are all new but the numbers are the same. We said the secretariat will do the polishing and renumber all the numbers, but Clause 16B of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation and Hon. Musimba’s Clause 16D are similar. However, since this is enhanced, mine gets dropped. Clause 16B is dropped.

You do not expect the secretariat just to get amendments here and drop them.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, both Hon. Musimba and the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation must withdraw the statements that the secretariat will do it. The secretariat has no legislative powers in law making. So, you should say you withdraw because we do not want somebody to go to court tomorrow and say that in the HANSARD, the secretariat was given certain functions. They have absolutely no powers to make law.

Correct. Chair, get into record.

I will sit down with Hon. Musimba and our team as Members to polish.

So Clause 16B is dropped.

Hon. Members, the secretariat will not just go in and start altering or changing any amendments as they had been proposed either by individuals or a Committee member.

A New Clauses 16A, 16B, 16C, 16D, 16E, 16F, 16G and 16H

Let us have Hon. Musimba to move Second Reading.

THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clauses immediately after clause 16—

Inducement to deliver electronic message. 16A. A person who induces any person in charge of electronic devices to deliver any electronic messages not specifically meant for him commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or both. Intentionally withholding message delivered erroneously. 16B.A person who intentionally hides or detains any electronic mail, message, electronic payment, credit and debit card which was found by the person or delivered to the person in error and which ought to be delivered to another person, commits an offence and is liable on conviction a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or both. Unlawful destruction of electronic messages. 16C. A person who unlawfully destroys or aborts any electronic mail or processes through which money or information is being conveyed commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or both. Wrongful distribution of obscene or intimate images. 16D.A person who transfers, publishes, or disseminates, including making a digital depiction available for distribution or downloading through a telecommunications network or though any other means of transferring data to a computer, the intimate or obscene image of another person commits an offence and is liable, on conviction to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or both. Fraudulent use of electronic data. 16E. (1) A person who knowingly and without authority causes any loss of property to another by altering, erasing, inputting or suppressing any data stored in a computer, commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or both.

What is the import of the amendment?

The import is that these are new offences which we are creating. We are enhancing the penalties which are within the Bill. That is the only justification.

Hon. Members, we are through with the recommital of clauses. So, I call upon the Mover to report.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee doth report to the House its consideration of the Computer and Cybercrimes Bill, National Assembly Bill, No. 36 of 2017 and its approval thereof with amendments.

Let us have the Chair.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Computer and Cybercrimes Bill, National Assembly Bill, No. 36 of 2017 and approved the same with amendments.

Let us have the Mover of the Bill.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security, Hon. Koinange, to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I second.

Do we have Members who want to contribute?

Yes.

Let us start with the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, today is a very important day in the history of Kenya. There are people who acted and behaved with impunity but this law will deal with them upon assent by the President. We want to ask the Legal Department of Parliament to prepare the velum as quickly as possible, so that the President can assent to that law latest by Tuesday before he comes to make his address to the nation.

This Bill will deal with those people who create fake news. It will also deal with those who use technology in the wrong way like what happened to the Deputy Governor of Kirinyaga County. It will also deal with those guys who said that people were dead 10 times when they were still alive. This law will deal all the fraud that is taking place in the financial sector. This Bill will deal with all those who use technology to radicalise and recruit our youngsters into terrorism. I am sure that the famous bloggers are watching me. You have three or four days to do whatever you want before the law comes into effect. We want the social media to be used very responsibly. It is a very integral part of the society when it is used responsibly. The Constitution is very clear that you must respect the freedom of others. Where your freedom ends is where the freedom of the other person begins. Those who run their businesses, families and get their daily food by using the social media platforms which are available for constructive engagement were using it to create fear, extort, blackmail, stalk and destroy families. We are giving the people of Kenya a piece of legislation today that will create harmony, stability and give us people to offer constructive and reasonable criticisms where it is needed.

I want to thank the Members who sat in this House since morning and those who contributed to this Bill. I also want to thank the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation, the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security, Hon. Musimba and Hon. Osotsi. I pray that he becomes a bona fide Secretary General of his party. Amani Party should have talked to me before electing the Secretary General. Mr. Barrack Muluka is not the right guy to be your Secretary General. When my good friend, Hon. Ababu Namwamba, was made the Secretary General of Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) , as an old member of that party, I asked them whether they were sure of what they were doing. Barely one year later, they fired him. Whoever becomes a Secretary General of a party is not anybody whom you can just pick from the streets.

He is in the Cabinet.

You can work in the Executive but not in political parties. Hon. Deputy Speaker, if you allow me, Member for Kisii was a very powerful person in ODM. Without passing through her, you would not get a nomination certificate. People do not know this lady. She was very powerful in 2007 General Election. She was the Executive Director

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Are you suggesting that even the Member for Kuresoi was a victim?

Of course. There were many people who were rigged out in 2007. One of them is a substantive Chair. I do not know whether the Member for Kisii participated in the rigging out of Hon. Cheboi but she was very powerful.

Hon. Kamket.

Hon. Deputy Speaker.

You are completely out of …..

I was rising on a point of order when the Leader of the Majority Party said that we do not want a referendum. I do not know whom he is speaking for because what I have heard from everybody is that Kenyans are looking forward to a referendum.

In this House, Hon. Kamket, people speak on behalf of their constituents. So, he must be either speaking on behalf of his constituents or sometimes on behalf of the party because he is one of the high-ranking members of his party. I do not want Members to insinuate that whenever a Member speaks on the Floor of the House he speaks on behalf of somebody. Otherwise, somebody else will also say exactly that. For example, when you table a Bill in the House, you do so on behalf of someone else yet we know very well that you do things on your own, just like every Member does. Let us leave that for now. I expected you to speak on

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Hon. Rasso, do you want to speak on this debate? I do not see anybody interested on this other side. I would have been more than happy to give one a chance.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I want to say a few things on this Bill. It shows us the progressive nature of human society and the progress we wanted in operationalising our Constitution.

One of the things that came up this morning, during the Committee of the whole House, is the domicile of the Bill. As far as some of us are concerned, it is not about where it is domiciled but rather about having the right laws that put issues into perspective. It is good that the House unanimously agreed to put it under the Ministry of Interior and Coordination of National Government. It is important because it involves prevention of crime and taking action on those who commit crime.

Something else about this Bill that is important is that for a long time, we have had the use of cyberspace but there has not been control or oversight. By having this law in place, we now know that the law enforcement agencies will have no excuse at all to tell us that they are not able to act because there is no law in place.

With those remarks, I support.

Let us have Hon. Ichung’wah of Kikuyu Constituency. If there is anybody on this side who wants to speak, press the intervention slot.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Let me take this opportunity to, first, congratulate both the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation and the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security on the passage of the Bill.

It comes at a time when we have seen a lot of abuse of the social media and use of information and communication technology in this country. This week, we witnessed a very sad and unfortunate incident involving a gentleman from Kirinyaga County. I am not speaking of this because I am a man or because the person affected is a public officer. The Bill speaks to issues to do with pornography. Whoever a person may be, whether a public officer or not, he is a father and someone who has a wife and a family. We are not doing this to just protect a man’s or a lady’s privacy. What we are doing to the social fabric of our nation using social media is unfortunate. I hope this law will not just be one of the laws that will exist in our statute books but it will be used to check degradation of our social fabric. Abuse of social media is destroying not just families but our children and the social fabric of our nation. As we grew up, there were things which would not happen. You would not walk into a room when your father was there naked. However, we now take videos of naked fathers and mothers and broadcast them for very young child to see. We must bring this to an end. I pray that this law will be enforced and put into good use to check on this abuse.

The issue of where the Bill is domiciled is not important. I have been a victim of these things. I speak with authority, having suffered as a result of things being sent to my phone.

Are you saying that you have also been photographed in that type of situation?

No but I have been a victim. I have a multi-layer of passwords on my phone because I have young children in my house. The kind of things that are sent to our phones are things you would not want your wife to see. Leave alone her accusing you of being involved

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I encourage the Ministry of ICT to collaborate with the agencies in charge of security and make sure that the law is implemented.

Thank you.

Let us give Hon. Janet Ong’era, the one the Leader of the Majority Party said was an extremely powerful person in the past.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I am still very powerful. I am the Deputy National Chairman of the Orange Democratic Movement.

It is long overdue that we passed a Bill on cybercrime. I am very happy because we are eventually dealing with this Bill before we break for recess. A time has come for us to regulate the social media. I am particularly concerned about the issue of extortion. We have young boys and girls who have become extortionists. They extort money from Members of Parliament and public servants, and from anybody else or anything that uses the social media. Unless we regulate the use of the social media, we will have a society with young people who do nothing but wait for money they have not worked for. We cannot encourage that kind of situation in our society.

I am very happy that we can now regulate the social media, particularly issues that appear on WhatsApp. We need that forum to be regulated. You cannot just be put on WhatsApp without your consent. I expect that these are issues the Bill has taken into account. I am happy that they were included.

With those few remarks, I support.

I see there is a lot of interest in this debate. Let us have that Member. He knows his name.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I support this Bill. This is a very important Bill. It is a Bill of the 21st Century because technology has come in the 21st Century. Therefore, it is crucial that we support it and ensure that it goes through and becomes a law.

Cybercrime is so bad. Therefore, it is important that we all gang up against it in that matter. The Standard Newspaper on 10th April 2017 reported that Kenya is the worst hit by cybercrime. Therefore, this Bill has arrived too late. We must take action as soon as possible and fast-track it. Cybercrime is growing so fast that it is in peril. Kenya lost US$171 million, Tanzania lost US$85 million, and Uganda lost US$35 million all in cybercrimes. The rest of the personal and economic loss is so overwhelming. Therefore, our society is so much strained by the crimes and the criminal gangs online that utilise our time and lives.

Therefore, I support this Bill. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Hon. Mohamed Sheikh, Member for Wajir South, for those Members who are asking his name. You can see he is a man with some English from the Queen’s land. Hon. Members, having confirmed that there is requisite quorum in the House for purposes of making this decision, I will put the Question.

Hon. Deputy Speaker: Mover to move the Third Reading.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the Computer and Cybercrimes Bill (National Assembly Bill No.36 of 2017) be now read a Third Time. I also request Hon. Musimba to second the Bill for agreement.

He is Hon. (Dr.) Musimba.

Hon. (Dr.) Musimba, a PhD holder in Technology.

I thank the Leader of the Majority Party for the opportunity to second. Indeed, this is momentous, historic and will go far in developing this nation because finally we have a vessel which can propel this country to the next level.

I second with a lot of humility.

Put the Question!

Having confirmed that we have the quorum, I proceed to put the Question.

Before we move to the next Order, I will allow Hon. Fatuma Gedi to table a report that she should have tabled earlier.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House:

The Public Finance Management (Senate Monitoring and Evaluation) Regulations, 2018

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:

THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation on its consideration of the Public Finance Management (Senate Monitoring and Evaluation) Regulations, 2018, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 26th April 2018, and pursuant to the provisions of Section 18 of the Statutory Instruments Act, 2013, and Standing Order 210 (4) (b) , annuls in entirety the said regulations.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations on the consideration of the African Continental Free Trade Area (AFCFTA) ; and the Tripartite Free Trade Area (TFTA) Agreements, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 26th April 2018 and pursuant to Section 8 of the Treaty Making and Ratification Act, 2012, approves the ratification of the African Continental Free Trade Area (AFCFTA) and the COMESA-EAC-SADC Tripartite Free Trade Area (TFTA) agreements. On 29th March 2018, the Leader of the Majority Party in the National Assembly tabled on the Floor of the House a Cabinet Memorandum on the ratification of the following agreements: One, the African Continental Free Trade Area agreement pursuant to Section 8 of the Treaty Making and Ratification Act, 2012; and two, the Tripartite Free Trade Area (TFTA) agreement pursuant to Section 8 of the Treaty Making and Ratification Act, 2012.

Once ratified, the agreements shall become part of our Kenyan laws as provided for in Article 2 (6) of the Constitution, which provides that any treaty or convention ratified by Kenya shall form part of the laws of Kenya.

The agreements were subsequently committed to the Departmental Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations for consideration and report to the House. In considering the agreements, the Committee held a total of two sittings. Pursuant to Article 118 (1) (b) of the Constitution on public participation and Section 8 (6) of the Treaty Making and Ratification Act, 2012, the Committee placed advertisements in two local dailies on 19th April 2018 requesting for submissions of memoranda on the subject matter. There was no response from the public. However, as part of public participation, the Committee held sittings with representatives from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Trade as the key stakeholders in this matter.

These agreements aim at improving intra-regional trade and intra-African trade through the establishment of a larger market with a single economic space and to address the challenges of multiple memberships with trade blocs.

Let me highlight what AFCFTA stands for. In January 2012, the Assembly of Heads of State and Governments of the African Union during its 18th Ordinary Session held in Addis Ababa Ethiopia, took a decision to enhance intra-African trade by endorsing an action plan for boosting intra-African trade and agreeing on a roadmap to establish a continental free trade area. This initiative is in line with the objectives and principles as stated in the Abuja Treaty, which is to promote the economic and social developments and integration of the African economies and to establish national, regional and sub-regional institutions that lead to a dynamic and interdependent African economy. This paves way for eventual establishment of the African Economic Community. The action plan is also a project of the African Union under its Vision 2063, which is a strategic framework for the socio-economic transformation of the continent in the next 45 years.

Subsequent to the 2012 decision, the African Union held several negotiations which culminated with the signing of the Agreement establishing the AFCFTA, Protocol on Trade in Goods, Protocol on Trade in Services and Protocol on Rules and Procedures on the Settlement of disputes and their respective annexes in Kigali, Rwanda on 21st March 2018.

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The main objective of the Agreement is to create an expanded and secure market for the goods and services of state parties through adequate infrastructure and the reduction and progressive elimination of tariffs and non-tariff barriers.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, these are the obligations that are imposed by the Agreement. The modalities for trade liberalisation negotiated provides for liberalisation of up to 90 per cent of total tariff lines for each member state. That is including sensitive products within a period of 13 years for least developed countries (LDCs) and 10 years for non-LDCs.

What is national interest of this Agreement? The interest is the advancement of economic prosperity of Kenya and her people. One, the Agreement will lead to the creation of a wider and expanded market. Two, the Agreement will promote a cross-border investment leading to increased Kenya’s entrepreneurs to invest across Africa. You know Kenyans have a vibrant manufacturing system which will not benefit from this opportunity but its people will benefit from the creation of new employment opportunities. Three, under the Big Four Agenda the Government’s share of manufacturing to GDP is to be raised from the current nine per cent to 15 per cent by 2022. The Agreement will be important for the realisation of this objective since majority of Kenya’s exports to Africa are manufactured goods.

The following are the policies and legislative considerations in the Agreement: The Agreement will be implemented in accordance with the existing domestic legislation. Kenya has enacted the Trade Remedies Law and is currently setting up the requisite institutions to operationalise trade defence instruments and measures. These measures are contained in the Agreement. They include anti-dumping and safeguards to protect infant and strategic sectors from unfair competition.

The following are the financial implications of the agreement: The ministry responsible

for trade will need resources for implementation of the Agreement to pay the annual subscriptions and costs of sensitisation of various stakeholders.

The summary of the process leading to the adoption of the Agreement and the date of the

signature is as follows: The Agreement is being fulfilled pursuant to the Abuja Treaty, 1991, the

Constitutive Act of the African Union of 2000 and the Africa’s Vision 2063. The Assembly of Heads of State and Government of the AU held in January 2012 in Addis Ababa adopted a decision to establish a Continental Free Trade Area by 2017. This Agreement was thereafter signed at the Extraordinary Summit of the AU Assembly on 21st March 2018 in Kigali, Rwanda.

The Tripartite Free Trade Area Agreement established among the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA), the East African Community and the Southern African Development Community (SADC) begun when the Tripartite Heads of State held a meeting on 22nd October 2008 in Kampala, Uganda. They decided on expeditious moves towards establishment of the Tripartite Free Trade Area among the three Regional Economic Communities. The official launch of the Agreement took place during the second Tripartite Summit held on 12th June 2011 in Johannesburg. The conclusion of the same was done after the adoption of the main outstanding annexes which was held in July 2017 in Kampala, Uganda.

The Agreement is in line with the resolution of the African Union Summit held in Banjul, Gambia in July 2006. It directed the African Union Commission and the Regional Economic Communities to harmonise and coordinate policies and programmes of Regional Economic Communities as important strategies for rationalisation and to put in place mechanisms to facilitate the process of harmonisation and coordination within and among the Regional Economic Communities.

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The main objectives of the Agreement are to increase intra-regional trade through the establishment of a larger market with a single economic space and to address the challenges of multiple memberships by harmonising rules and policies such as health and technical standards, rules of origin and customs, trade facilitation and transit issues with a long-term goal of moving to other deeper levels of integration.

What could be the national interest of this Agreement? In simple terms, this is for the benefit of advancement of economic prosperity of Kenya and her people. Kenya has been trading with Africa as much as it has been trading with the rest of the world. As we said earlier, Kenya’s exports to Africa range between 41 per cent and 45 per cent in the last decade. They have mostly been to the EAC and COMESA markets. Policies such as the rules of origin, customs’ cooperation and technical and healthy standards have been harmonised. This will facilitate ease of movement of goods and business people.

Under the Big Four Agenda as I said earlier, the share of manufacturing to GDP is to be raised from the current 9 per cent to 15 per cent by the year 2022. This Agreement will, therefore, be important for the realisation of this objective since majority of Kenya’s exports to Africa are manufactured goods.

However, there are obligations imposed by this Agreement. One of them is the liberalisation of tariffs. It will be done immediately upon entry into force of the Agreement. It will be between 60 and 85 per cent of the total tariff lines.

The EAC has negotiated as a bloc and has finalised tariff offers for liberalisation for countries that are not in the FTA. Those countries are Angola, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Mozambique and the Southern African Customs Union (SACU) which includes Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho, South Africa and Swaziland.

During the Tripartite Summit held on 10th June 2015 in Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt, His Excellency the Deputy President Hon. William Samoei Ruto and head of the Kenyan delegation expressed Kenya’s interest to host the secretariat for the Tripartite FTA.

What are the policies and legislative considerations? The Agreement will be implemented in accordance with the existing domestic legislation, as said earlier. Kenya has enacted the Trade Remedies Law and is currently setting up the requisite institutions to operationalise trade defence measures and mechanisms. These measures are contained in the Agreement. They include anti- dumping, as said earlier and safeguards to protect infant and strategic sectors from unfair competition.

Equally, we have financial implications over this. This is where the rubber meets the road. The Ministry responsible for trade will need resources for implementation of the Agreement to pay the annual subscriptions and costs of sensitisation of various stakeholders. The

summary of the process leading to the adoption of the Agreement is as follows:

To date, the Agreement has been signed by 22 out of 27 partner states and shall enter into force once the 14 partner states have ratified the agreement and deposited instruments of ratification. Upon looking at the agreement, the Committee made the following observations:

A That, the Constitution provides for the entrenchment of these agreements into the laws of Kenya. The Agreement is aligned to the Constitution where it accelerates the political and socio- economic integration of the continent, and coordinates and harmonises the policies between the existing and future regional economic communities, for the gradual attainment of the objective of the union of the Constitutive Act of the African Union. Article 15 of the Agreement talks about the waiver of obligation and protocol on trade in goods. Hon. Kimani, I am almost done. Article 17 talks about anti-dumping and countervailing measures. This is in tandem with provisions under Trade Remedies Act which provides for anti- dumping and countervailing measures. The Agreement provides for an expanded market for both manufactured and primary goods for Kenyan products within a single economic space with a population of 625 million people. Therefore, the implementation of the Agreement will resolve the challenges faced with multiple memberships to the Regional Economic Communities. The Departmental Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations recommends that pursuant to Section 8 of the Treaty Making and Ratification Act, the House approves the ratification of the African Continental Free Trade Area which has about 30 Articles and Tripartite Free Trade Area Agreement which has about 45 Articles as they are in Kenya’s national interest.

I wish to move this Motion and request Hon. Caleb Amisi to second.

Member for Saboti.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to second the Motion on the Ratification of the AFCFTA. This has come at the most opportune time when the world is slowly becoming global. Globalisation comes with competition in terms of international trade. This Agreement is key to our nation when we are talking of the Agenda Four as a country. We cannot be taking of Agenda Four if we are not very keen on our position in the international market. The African continent as a whole has a population of 1.2 billion. In terms of population, Africa is second to Asia in the world’s population. So it is imperative as a country to be part of this Agreement that enables us to tap into this growing market of the continent. Besides that, this Agreement is going to create a single continental market for goods and services or free movement of business and persons and will also expand our intra-African trade within our economic bloc communities such as EAC and COMESA. It will also harmonise trading activities of state partners which belong to two economic blocs such as Kenya which belongs to EAC and COMESA This is going to promote industrial development through diversification and regional value chain development through agricultural development and food security. With those few remarks I urge this House and Hon. Members to be part of the ratification of this Agreement. I wish we could put the Question because the public we represent has given it a clean bill of health. It is an Agreement that has come at the most opportune time.

Second it please.

I second.

Thank you very much.

Can I put the Question?

Yes.

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I realise we do not have the numbers. We will first have the Mover reply and then we will wait for the numbers to put the Question. Mover, you will not have much to say because no Member contributed. So, you will simply reply.

Exactly. I do not really know what to reply.

You should be thanking the Members for quickly accepting the request by your Seconder to really move quickly to the next stage.

I appreciate the fact that Hon. Members have fully understood, if they did, what we moved. The fact that the mood of the House is to put the Question, then it means that the whole House is in agreement and there is no moving back. We need to move forward.

I, therefore, beg to reply.

First of all, I really must commend the two Members; the Member who moved this Motion and the one who seconded. They are first time Members and they have done very well. I would also like to thank the Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations. It is not very easy to cede power. To have a chair that will cede power and I can see he is seated pretty in the House, I can say it is in the spirit of participatory leadership in the committees. I did not want that to escape the notice of the House. We will proceed and go to the next Order. We will not put the Question because there are no numbers. So, it will be pending until the next time.

Next Order.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I was waiting to see who is taking the Speaker’s seat so that I do not mention Mr. Speaker, instead of Madam Speaker. I wish to move this Motion for adoption of the Second Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2017/2018 that were submitted to the National Assembly on 11th April 2018, just two months before the end of the financial year, in accordance with Standing Order No.243 (3) . Once the estimates were tabled, they were committed to the Budget and Appropriations Committee (BAC) as well as the various departmental committees to deliberate on in line with respective mandates and make recommendations to the BAC.

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The Committee has examined and discussed the Estimates and made recommendations which are contained in this report. I believe Members have a copy of the report, which if approved by the House, the recommendations will form the basis for the passage of the Second Supplementary Appropriations Act for the FY 2017/2018.

In reviewing the Second Supplementary Estimates for 2017/2018, the Committee held five sittings, including one sitting yesterday till early this morning about 1.00 a.m. with the National Treasury. The Committee also received submissions and recommendations from various departmental committees, which have been taken into account in the finalisation of this report. However, it is worth noting that many departmental committees had sought additional allocations and we have struggled to allocate what was available within the resources available.

It is also good to mention that these Second Supplementary Estimates come in the backdrop of a very tight fiscal position for our country. It is not lost on many Members and, indeed, the country that since the beginning of this financial year on 1st of July last year, the country was in an electioneering mode. We carried on the electioneering and campaigning business for the better part of the half year. We must take this opportunity to congratulate and thank His Excellency the President and the former Prime Minister for the wisdom they saw in the so-called famous handshake, because it has cooled down the political temperatures in this country and the Kenyan people can now focus on rebuilding our economy and, therefore, try to get our country on a very firm economic growth position. We did a lot of injustice, as politicians and as a country, to ourselves through a whole year of electioneering.

Therefore, we have had challenges with our revenue being below the target and so austerity measures had to be taken. For the first time, we are seeing a lot of austerity measures, including a Bill that is already before this House to review the allocations to county governments. We have an amendment Bill that was tabled in this House to review county allocations, just in line with what has been done in the national Government. All arms of Government had huge cuts in expenditure. In the same spirit, we urge our county governments to also carry out such austerity measures. We must thank and congratulate those governors. In particular I want to mention Governor Wangamati of Bungoma County, who has taken time and measures to have austerity measures that will help save funds in the backdrop of these very difficult economic times. I want to encourage other governors to take the same measures in their counties, even without the reviews of the Division of Revenue Bill. In the same spirit, we would urge them to take austerity measures and have savings where they can.

As I move this Motion, there is an amendment to the report. If you allow me, I want to read the proposed amendment to the Motion.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu): Order. You must move the Motion first, as it is, then later we will deal with the amendment.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I do not want to take a lot of time because Members are eager to contribute on this Motion. However, it is worth noting that the cuts…

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : Chairperson, you have not moved. Move as it is in the Order Paper first and then you can contribute. You have not moved your report. Read that “This House adopts the blah blah blah.”

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am struggling to listen to you but the Member for Kipipiri is also busy trying to coach me on what to do.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) :

You are protected. Hon.

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Thank you for the protection, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. It is my humble duty and privilege, therefore, on behalf of BAC to table the report on the Supplementary Estimates II for the FY 2017/2018 and recommend it to the House for adoption. I, therefore, move.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : The Chairperson, Order No. 10 is “Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the Supplementary Estimates II.” You read as it is in the Order Paper. The Member for Kipipiri, stop confusing the Chair. You are making the chair not to perform well.

I told you Hon. Kimunya has to keep interrupting. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Second Report of the Budget and Appropriations

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Order. Hon. Ichung’wah, today

Not in an amended form? The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : No. you will do the amendment after you move.

Therefore, I beg to move, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : Thank you. Seconder?

Seconder is the Chair of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) Committee.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I wish to second this Motion and congratulate the Committee for the hard work. You will notice that this is the second time we are

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Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, that one propelled us to do the First Supplementary Budget. Now, as we move close to the end of the fiscal year, we notice that there is need for the Government to move. Several departments and areas are suffering due to the fiscal tightness that we, as a House, proposed in September. It has been deemed necessary for the National Treasury to come back to the House and propose the Second Supplementary Budget. Note that many parts of the country are receiving excess rainfall. Very soon, we will be having plenty within our borders from the agriculture sector. The revenue base in the next financial year and the current bit of the financial year will withstand the challenges that we have been going through.

With those remarks, I second.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to move: THAT, the Motion for the adoption of the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the Second Supplementary Estimates for 2017/2018 be amended by inserting the following words at the end thereof– “subject to:

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I second the amendment proposed by the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee and notify the Members that the issue of community development item being inserted is what we got rid of in September. We interfered with many of the planning within our constituencies in the NG-CDF.

I wish to second the amendment.

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(Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, proposed) The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. Mbalu): Can I put the Question? Is that the mood of the House? Clerk-at-the-Tables, do we have the numbers?

Put the Question. The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : Order, Members! Order! Is that the mood of the House?

Yes.

Resolved accordingly:

THAT, this House adopts the Second Report of the Budget and Appropriations

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The justification is that the amendment seeks to uphold the provisions of Article 6 and Article 172 of the Constitution which recognise counties as the administrative unit. In this regard, the amendment seeks to delete reference to the term “regional”.

(Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the word to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 5 of the Bill be amended—

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THAT, Clause 5 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (j)— (ja) the Cabinet Secretary for the time being responsible for matters related to defence;

This amendment just seeks to include the Cabinet Secretary (CS) responsible for matters related to the defence in the composition of the National Physical Planning Consultative Forum and that forum is mainly responsible for the national physical development plan that will contain the framework for guiding the location and development of strategic and infrastructural development.

We are bringing this amendment because the defence forces have certain strategic infrastructural developments that are key to national security. That is why we are saying the representative of the CS for Defence should be part of the consultative forum. (Question of the amendment proposed)

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THAT, Clause of the Bill be amended by inserting the words “consider national security and” at the beginning of paragraph

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; That amendment seeks to ensure that the National Physical Planning Consultative Forum first considers national security in the execution of its functions on advising the strategic physical development project of the national Government, inter-county and, of course, that deals with trans-national importance. So, again, we are trying to make sure that this forum must be cognisant of the existence of certain national strategic development taking place within the land forum. So, it is just to make sure that this forum is cognisant of that.

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THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 10 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 11 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “possesses a postgraduate degree” appearing in paragraph

(b)

and substituting therefor the words “holds a bachelor’s degree”. The justification is the amendment seeks to delete reference to the postgraduate degree as a qualification for the appointment of the National Director of Physical Planning and replace it with a bachelor’s degree which is the case in all the qualification requirements of most professions coupled with certain number of years of experience. This will also increase the scope of the applicants. At least, we will accommodate many applicants.

(Question, that the words to be left out

be left out, put and agreed to)

Clause 12

THAT, Clause 12 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “regional” appearing in paragraph

(d)

and substituting therefor the word “Inter-County”. The amendment basically seeks to uphold the provisions of Article 6 and Article 176 of the Constitution, which recognise counties as administrative units. In this regard, the amendment seeks to delete reference to the term “regional” and replace it with “Inter-County”.

(Question, that the word to be left out

be left out, put and agreed to)

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(Question, that the word to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 13 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting clause 15 and substituting therefor the following new clause— Qualifications of the County Director of Physical Planning.

THAT, Clause 16 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “regional” appearing in paragraph (e) and substituting therefor the word “Inter-County”.

The amendment seeks to uphold the provisions of Article 6 and Article 176 of the Constitution which recognise counties as the administrative units. In this regard, the amendment seeks to delete reference to the term “regional” and substitute it with “Inter-County”.

(Question, that the word to be left out be left out,

put and agreed to)

Clause 18

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THAT, Clause 18 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “regional” appearing in paragraph (f) and substituting therefor the word “inter-county”.

The amendment seeks to uphold the provisions of Article 6 and Article 176 of the Constitution which recognise counties as the administrative units. In this regard, the amendment seeks to delete reference to the term “regional” and substitute it with “inter-county”.

(Question, that the word to be left out be left out,

put and agreed to)

Clause 19

THAT, Clause 19 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by deleting the words “publish a notice in the Gazette and in at least two newspapers of national circulation” and substitute therefor “publish a notice in the Gazette, in at least two newspapers of national circulation and through electronic media”.

The amendment seeks to provide for the publication of notice by the planning authorities through electronic media in addition to publication in the Gazette and the local daily newspapers of national circulation. Electronic media is an efficient but expensive mode of communication.

(Question, that the words to be left out be left out,

put and agreed to)

The Temporary Deputy Chairman

(Hon. Omulele)

: Leader of the Majority Party, you also have a proposed amendment.

THAT, Clause 19 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (a) —

(aa) promote the safeguarding of national security; This amendment seeks to ensure that when the national physical development plan is being prepared, the Director of Physical Planning is under obligation to ensure that the national security of the nation is safeguarded not only for security purposes but also for public safety.

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(Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 21 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 22 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 23 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “regional” appearing in sub-clause (1) and substituting therefor the word “Inter-County”.

The amendment seeks to uphold the provisions of Article 6 and Article 176 of the Constitution which recognise counties as the administrative units. In this regard, the amendment seeks to delete reference to the term “regional” and replace it with “inter-county”.

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Before I put the Question Chair, I can see the reasons for quite a number of the proposed amendments are the same.

They are the same because the amendments are consistent. The Temporary Deputy Chairman

(Hon. Omulele)

: To enable us to move as swiftly as possible, after you move the clauses, say that the reasons for the amendments have already been provided above.

(Question, that the word to be left out be left out,

put and agreed to) (Question, that the word to be inserted in place thereof

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be inserted, put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 24 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 25 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 26 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause27 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause

(4)

by inserting the words “consider national security” immediately after the word “publish”; This amendment seeks to ensure that even the regional physical planning joint committees are under obligation to consider national security when they are preparing their Regional Physical Development Plan not only for security, but also for public safety. Certain national security installations are found in the regional parts of the country. It is to make sure that national security interests supersede everything. They are under obligation to put it into account when they are preparing their Regional Physical Development Plan.

(Question, that the words to be inserted

be inserted, put and agreed to)

Clause 28

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Mover.

THAT, Clause 28 of the Bill be amended—

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THAT, Clause 29 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 30 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 31 of the Bill be amended—

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THAT, Clause 32 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause

(2)

by deleting the word “Regional” and substituting therefor the word “Inter-County”. It is about substitution.

Question, that the word to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)

Clause 33

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Leader of the Majority Party.

THAT, Clause 33 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (g) —

(ga) promote the safeguarding of national security;

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Again, this amendment seeks to ensure that one of the objects or purpose of the anticipated County Physical Development Plan will be to promote the safeguarding of national security or for the purpose of security and public safety.

(Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 34 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause

(2)

by deleting the words “fourteen days” and substituting therefor the words “twenty-one days” The amendment seeks to increase the period for display of notice from 14 days to 21 days at the office of the county government to allow for broad public participation and the preparation of the County Physical Development Plan.

(Question, that the words to be left out

be left out, put and agreed to)

Clause 36

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Hon. Chair.

THAT, Clause 36 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 37 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by inserting the words “for approval” immediately after the words “the county assembly”. The amendment seeks to recognise the role of the county assemblies in approving plans in terms of Article 185 (4) of the Constitution and Section 87 of the County Government Act,

THAT, clause 38 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, clause 44 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause

(1)

by deleting the words “publish a notice in the Gazette and in at least two newspapers of national circulation” and substituting therefor the words “publish a notice in the Gazette, in at least two newspapers of national circulation and through electronic media”; The amendment seeks to provide for publication of notice by the planning authorities through electronic media in addition to publication in the Gazette and local daily newspapers.

(Question, that the words to be left out

be left out, put and agreed to)

Clause 45

THAT, Clause 45 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause

(1)

by deleting the words “publish a notice in the Gazette and in at least two newspapers of national circulation” and substituting therefor the words “publish a notice in the Gazette, in at least two newspapers of national circulation and through electronic media”; It is the same amendment as Clause 44.

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(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 49 of the Bill be amended by—

THAT, clause 49 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (f) —

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THAT, clause 50 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (f) —

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, as much as the proposals made by the Leader of the Majority Party are sound and responsible in the circumstances to safeguard national security, we must appreciate that the owners of the land adjoining any so-called safeguarding areas should be allowed as per the Constitution to develop their land subject to some reasonable planning regulations instead of being inhibited to develop the land to the fullest in regard to the highest and best use.

Clause 52

THAT, Clause 52 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new sub- clauses immediately after sub-clause (6) — “ (7) A person applying for development permission shall also notify the public of the development project being proposed to be undertaken in a certain area in such a manner as the Cabinet Secretary shall prescribe.”

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“(8) The notification referred to under sub-section (7), shall invite the members of the public to submit any objections on the proposed development project to the relevant planning authorities for consideration.” This amendment recognises the need for developers to involve the public prior to undertaking a development project, as projects may have negative or positive impacts within communities. In this regard, the amendment creates a requirement that permits a person applying for development to notify the public.

Further, the amendment provides that the notification shall invite members of public to submit any objections they may have.

(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele): Hon. Oundo, are you still interested in this one?

Again, I believe those who are in this practice of real estate and development are aware that one of the reasons we have so many unplanned developments in this country is that the cost of getting approval has been found to be prohibitive. Even an advert in the newspaper costs a substantial amount of money because it must reach as many people as possible.

Secondly, when you need to print the necessary adverts and place them all over, it costs money. If you have to assemble the people, it also becomes a problem. Remember there is also a provision under the Environmental Management and Co-ordination Act (EMCA) that such a process must also be subjected to. My prayers are that the drafters of the Bill, if possible, put up a provision that allows the regulations put by the Cabinet Secretary be not prohibitive to discourage development.

Clause 53

THAT, Clause 53 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “and validly registered” appearing in sub-clause

(1)

and substituting therefor the words “and licensed”. The amendment seeks to remove a typographical error. It also seeks to make it aligned to the Physical Planning Registration Act, 1996 which gives reference to “registered and licenced persons” and not “registered and validly registered persons.”

(Question, that the words to left

out be left out, put and agreed to)

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(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 54 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (f) — (fa) national security in respect of land adjoining or within reasonable vicinity of safeguarding areas; This is an amendment that takes care of national security. It seeks to ensure that the relevant authorities must consider national security in respect of any land which is adjoining or close to any security installation by safeguarding those areas when considering an application for development. It is very simple.

Today, for those areas around Wilson Airport, the number of floors one can build is regulated. So, if one is building or developing a property around the defence headquarters, the application of that development must be restricted to how close to that installation one can build. The defence headquarters, the national intelligence headquarters, the airports, the air force headquarters and all such are national security areas. How close to security installations can a private developer develop? That is the essence of this amendment. It will help us so that nobody encroaches or goes closer to build around these areas.

I will give a good example. In 2014, my security guard was shot in one of the estates near the air force fence at Eastleigh. There is a big slum near that fence. That criminal just ran to that adjacent mushrooming slum near the airbase.

This is best practice. Even in the US, those of us who have gone to Washington have seen the distance given to installations like the Pentagon which is the defence headquarters. This is just to make sure that we safeguard our national security installations. This amendment gives powers to those who are to approve certain applications for development to be cognisant of the security of the nation. It is national security.

(Question, that the words to be inserted

be inserted, put and agreed to)

Clause 55

THAT, Clause 55 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (c) —

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“(ca) shall take into consideration the comments made by the members of the public on the application for development permission made by the person seeking to undertake development in a certain area”.

The purpose of this amendment is to create a requirement that a planning authority shall consider an application for development after considerations that have been raised by members of public. This gives an opportunity to the members of public to participate. This amendment will also allow consultations and public involvement before decisions are made.

(Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 58 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by deleting the words “two years” and substituting therefor the words “three years”.

The amendment seeks to increase the timelines for lapsing of development permission from two years to three years. Basically, this is to the advantage of the investors so that they have more time to act.

(Question, that the words to left out

be left out, put and agreed to)

Clause 65

THAT, Clause 65 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (5) by deleting the words “one hundred thousand shillings” and substituting therefor the words “five hundred thousand shillings”.

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The purpose of the amendment is to increase the penalty for non-compliance with the enforcement notice issued where a developer has commenced development or any other land use without development permission, from Kshs 100,000 to Kshs500,000.

(Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 66 of the Bill be deleted. The purpose of amending this clause is to ensure that this Bill does not have a retrospective effect which will disadvantage investors and which may also be misused and allow for witch hunt. So, the purpose is just to make sure that we do not affect people backwards.

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : So you are deleting?

Yes I am.

Clause 69

THAT, Clause 69 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause

(2)

by deleting the word “regional” appearing in paragraph

(c)

and substituting therefor the word “Inter-County”. This is the one that we have been raising. We are now removing regions for counties.

Question, that the word to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)

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(Question, that the word to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)

THAT, clause 71 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, Clause 72 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (b) — “ (ba) advise the County Executive Committee Member on broad physical planning policies, strategies and standards.”

This amendment seeks to include an additional role akin to the one provided for the National Physical Planning Liaison Committee in terms of Clause 69 (1) (a) . The County Physical

A Planning Liaison Committee shall therefore advise the County Executive Member on broad physical planning policies and strategies.

(Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to)

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, the amendment to Clause 73 is not in the Report but it came afterwards.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 73 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following sub- clauses immediately after sub-clause (2) -

“The Member of the County Physical Planning Liaison Committee appointed under subsection (1) (a) , (c) , (d) , (e) and (f) shall serve for a term not exceeding three years and it is renewable once.”

The justification of that amendment is to provide a term limit of three years renewable once for the purpose of members of the County Physical Liaison Committee…

This amendment is not in the Order Paper but it is part of the Report.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : There is a point of order from the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, First of all, this is my Bill. Secondly, all amendments must be approved and must be in the Order Paper. It is not a further amendment. With a heavy heart I oppose because we must see it.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I am humbly requesting because if we do not amend it, we will be leaving the term open so that a person can be appointed twice or thrice. This is just for specification because we are allowing for renewal once.

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : The Leader of the Majority Party, you are putting the Chair in an awkward position. If it is not in the Order Paper, how do you expect the House to debate it?

That is a serious procedural issue but if you allow, after consulting with the legal person of this Committee, we have agreed. We have this at the national level so we just need to replicate it at the county. Now I am convinced. I do not know about the procedure though. The procedure supersedes the concurrence. On procedure it is only you who can rule.

It has been provided for at the national level, so this is… The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : I know it is a good provision. I will first look at the Report. Just give me one minute so that I see if it is the Report that has been

A tabled in the House. For the purpose of the HANSARD, Chair, you need to move an amendment.

It has been moved. The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Let me just confirm that it is in the Report and ensure that the House had sight of it.

Hon. Members, I confirm that I have perused the Report and it appears there. So, the further amendment is quite in order.

(Question, that the words to be inserted

be inserted, put and agreed to)

Clause 74

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Leader of the Majority Party.

THAT, Clause 74 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (3) by inserting the words “and published in the Gazette or in at least one newspaper of national circulation” at the end of the sub-clause.

This amendment wants to ensure that upon appeal by a person to a county physical planning committee, with respect to an application submitted to the planning authority in that county, the determination is also published in the Gazette or in at least one newspaper of national circulation for the public to be aware. The import of this is that they cannot just allocate land very close to serious installations without making the public and agencies concerned aware. So, this is just for public participation.

(Question, that the words to be inserted

be inserted, put and agreed to)

Clause 87

THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting clause 87. The amendment seeks to recognise the role of county assemblies in approving plans in terms of Article 185 (4) of the Constitution and Section 87 of the County Governments Act,

We are deleting, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman.

New Clause 39A

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Chair, could you move the second reading of the new clause 39A?

THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clause immediately after Clause 39— Contents of the National, Inter-County and County Physical Development Plans.

39A. In addition to the provisions of sections 20, 26 and 35, the National, Inter-County and the County Physical Development Plans shall provide for the matters specified in the Second Schedule.

The Temporary Deputy Chairman

(Hon. Omulele)

: Now you can justify, Chair.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. The purpose of this new clause is to create a legal basis for the schedules as used in the Bill.

New Clause 64A

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Leader of the Majority Party.

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THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clause immediately after clause 64— Exemption

from application of this Part.

64A. This Part shall not apply in respect of a development by or on behalf of the Kenya Defence Forces. This amendment seeks to ensure that the provisions regarding development control do not apply to the Kenya Defence Forces (KDF). The KDF has camps and barracks across various parts of the country. These developments house sensitive security installations, military hardware and equipment. This amendment, therefore, asks for those areas to be gazetted as protected areas, permitting limited access to staff and authorised persons only, details of the layout and the designs thereof are not open to public scrutiny and knowledge. If such information is available to the public, national security of our nation will be compromised as equipment, machinery, weapons, classified information may be accessed and used to harm the Kenyan population, especially in this current advent of systematic threat from terrorism.

So, basically it says that in terms of development control, this should not apply to the KDF, their land, camps and barracks because they have very sensitive security installations and military hardware. So, this is just to insulate the information from being accessed by enemies and to forestall any threat that may come to the Kenyan population.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. I support because it is a trend all over the world that you protect your defence forces and their installations.

Thank you. The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Hon. Ojiambo, Member for Funyula.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I support and with your guidance probably we could expand and include other significant security installations. I look, for example, at the CID headquarters. I do not know if in the wisdom of the Leader of the Majority Party it is included. They are obviously controlled centres in terms of ICT and related issues. I do not know whether at this point in the legislation making we can expand that definition to include quite sensitive security installations from scrutiny by the planning processes.

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I want to move a further amendment because the Member did remind me of something.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg move: THAT, New Clause 64A be further amended by adding “other security installations” after “the Kenya Defence Forces”.

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(Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to) (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, put and agreed to)

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg to move - THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new part immediately after Part VI—

These are regulations under provisions of delegated powers which are made by the Cabinet Secretary in charge of planning and also which are subjected to Parliament especially the Committee on Delegated Legislation which I serve. So it does not escape the scrutiny of Parliament and it is very good if it could be included so that...

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Hon. Maanzo, you may have jumped the gun because what we are just dealing with is the new part, we have not gone to the regulations. We are coming to those under 83A.

I support the inclusion of Part VIA. The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : Very well, I will give you a chance to speak to the substantive regulations.

(Question, that the new part be added to the Bill, put and agreed to

New Clause 83 (A)

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg to move that New Clause 83 (A) be read a Second Time.

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83A. (1) The Cabinet Secretary, may make regulations generally for giving effect to this Act, and for prescribing anything required to be prescribed by or under this Act.

I was saying this is very important because it is still within the purview of Parliament and that this will guide the fees which will be charged in case of planning and schedules to bring to effect the statute made by the CS, Planning will have to come to the Committee of Parliament on Delegated Legislation. It is proper and I support those amendments.

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Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, the purpose of this amendment is that the Bill as it is does not have provisions for making regulations. In this regard, the amendment seeks to include provisions on delegated powers of the CS to make regulations

First Schedule

THAT, the First Schedule to the Bill be amended by deleting the words “or the Governor, as the case shall be” in paragraph 1.

The amendment seeks to remove reference to the term “Governor” as the rule declaring vacancies in the consultative forum lies with the CS and not the governor.

(Question, that the words to be left out be left out,

put and agreed to)

Second Schedule

THAT, the Second Schedule to the Bill be amended—

THAT, clause 2 of the Bill be amended—

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman for this opportunity. My only concern is that planning as a discipline has very specific terms used all over the world. I feel in as much as we want to localise our planning procedures and practices, there are some honoured terminologies which we should not tamper with. Probably, we can retain the term “regional plans” but then redefine it in the context of our local situation.

The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Omulele) : I will leave it to the plenary to decide.

Let us have the Leader of the Majority Party.

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THAT, clause 2 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new definition in proper alphabetical sequence— “safe guarding area” means any area adjoining any land owned or occupied by the Kenya Defence Forces”; I am trying to define what “safeguarding area” means. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to)

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Physical Planning Bill (National Assembly Bill No.34 of

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Physical Planning Bill (National Assembly Bill No.34 of 2017) and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : The Leader of the Majority Party as the Mover of the Bill.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that this House do agree with the report of the Committee of the whole House in its consideration of the Physical Planning Bill (National

A Assembly Bill No.34 of 2017). I also request Hon. Nyamai, the Chair of the Departmental

Committee on Lands to second the Motion.

I second.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : Hon. Members for obvious reasons, I will not put the Question. I order that the Question be put at the next appropriate time as approved by the House Business Committee .

Next Order!

Second Reading

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, concerning the SACCO Societies (Amendment) Bill, the Committee is yet to bring its Report. I ask that we step it down and, of course, the other Orders nos.13 and 14. All of them are my Bills and I need to consult with the Chairs. Maybe the House Business Committee will put them in the next available sitting of the House.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : The Leader of the Majority Party, we will go Order by Order. Thank you for the explanation I am satisfied. Second Reading

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I cannot move the Warehouse Receipts System (Bill No.2 of 2018) because the Chair of that Committee is supposed to second it and, of course, I cannot see him. So we can move it to the next available sitting of the House.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : Noted. So, Order No.13 is deferred. Next Order! Second Reading

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Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, you can see the Chair and Vice-Chair of the Departmental Committee on Lands are seated next to me. They are taking ages to bring the

Report of the Land Value Index Laws (Amendment) Bill to the House. I want to tell them that you

Bill to go on HANSARD and tell the House when she will table that Report. It is now close to about

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. We know that this is a very important Bill for the country because it touches on matters of compensation. The Committee has already started working on it.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am going to consult with my Committee and I would like to undertake that we are going to do it as soon as possible. I would like the Leader of the Majority Party, who is our senior, to also appreciate that this Bill that we have just finalised today also had a lot of work to be done and you can see the good job that the Departmental Committee on Lands has done. So, I seek your indulgence that we will do it the soonest possible.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : I can see the Leader of the Majority Party is nodding. I do not know if he is appreciating.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the Standing Orders are very clear. When a Bill is read for the First Time, the Committee has 21 days to submit a report, whether it has many other Bills or not. Hon. Nyamai is one of the best Chairs. Her Vice Chairman is also one of the best but they cannot take indefinite time. I hope they will table the report before we go on recess.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : The Vice Chairman, you wanted to comment something on this.

I just want to complement the sentiments of my able Chair. We have had so much on our table. These Bills have been going on concurrently with the one we just concluded. So, give us some time. We have a team which is able. We will table it. Give us some time.

The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Mbalu) : The Chair said the soonest time possible. The Chair and Vice Chair, you are equal to the task and I think it is important we do this so that we can finish.

So, Order No. 14 is stood down again as we wait for the Report to be tabled before the House.

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The House rose at 6.12 p.m.